5.06: Brawl in Cell Block 9-1-1

Welcome to That Weewoo Show: a podcast where Alice, Ellen and Bex watch and discuss every episode of ABC’s TV show, 9-1-1.

In this episode we discuss episode 6 of the fifth season of 9-1-1, titled “Brawl in Cell Block 9-1-1”.

Responding to a fire at a prison, Bobby and the 118 find themselves trapped in a deadly riot.

Content warnings for episode 5.06:

the American prison system, graphic abdominal surgery, child at threat, cops, hostage situation, organ donation and transplant, prison riot, surgery, suicide via gunshot, threat of gun violence, threat of physical violence, stabbing.

Mentioned in episode:

• Oliver blowing kisses at the hospital (via Tumblr)
• post by livesbetweenpages about Eddie’s trauma re Buck thinking he’s expendable (via Tumblr)
• Destiel fic, For All You Young Hockey Players Out There, Pay Attention by thursdaysfallenangel (via ao3)

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Episode Transcript

Maddie: [00:00:00] 9-1-1. What’s your emergency?

Bex: Welcome back to That WeeWoo Show, a podcast where we watch and discuss episodes of the A B C show, 9-1-1. I’m Bex.

Alice: I’m Alice.

Ellen: And I’m Ellen.

Bex: And welcome to 2026. For all of those listeners who are listening to us as this episode drops in January, we hope that you had a wonderful holiday season, whatever you got up to.

Ellen: Yes. I hope you ate just the exact amount of cheese that you needed and not any extra.

Alice: Maybe a little bit extra.

Ellen: Yeah,

Bex: as we say every week, thank you to everyone who has listened to our episodes so far [00:01:00] and has taken time out of their busy schedule to rate us on their podcast platform of choice, um, and share our episodes and social media posts to try and get our little podcast into more people’s ears.

We really do appreciate it. Uh, we’d also like to give a shout out to some comments that we got through in the end of 2025. Uh, as always, big thanks to Kiera who tried to explain the vagaries of Homecoming to us. Um, I still don’t think we really understand, but I don’t think that anybody really understands.

Alice: I don’t think Americans understand either. Yeah.

Ellen: Thank you for trying. It’s just a thing that they do and it’s fun, so that’s good.

Bex: That’s fine. They get excited about a football game. That’s fine. Um, shout out to Dee and apologies for not trigger warning our [00:02:00] episode of “Home and Away” for references to Alf.

We are not entirely sure if you meant the character from Home and Away or the alien Alf, but either way, we are incredibly sorry. And finally, we’d like to give a shout out to Pigeon who left us a very comprehensive comment on thatweewooshow.com on the episode “Malfunction”. So if you would like to take some time to head over to our website and read that comment, I highly recommend it because they took time out of their, um, revisions on a major project that they’re doing for work to educate us about tax season in the US health insurance in the US and tourniquets. So we really do appreciate that.

Alice: Yeah, it was, it was great. I love when I come away learning things from comments, I’m like, yes, please educate us. It’s like free school.

Ellen: Yeah. And if you are binging all the way [00:03:00] through up to this point, then hi. Welcome.

Bex: Thank you so much for your comment.

Ellen: You made it.

Alice: I hope your project was great.

Bex: Uh, so before we get into the first episode of 2026, and oh boy, what a doozy to start the year with, um, Alice, could you remind us what happened in the last episode that we discussed?

Alice: Yeah. I might need to remind myself ’cause I do not remember. Um, so last week on 9-1-1 Buck chased Ravi with a chainsaw, May stood up to Claudette, Athena desperately needed therapy, and Chimney and Maddie are still gone.

Ellen: Oh yeah, I miss them.

Alice: Me too.

Ellen: Alright, so, and they’re not back in this episode either. So this is, um, this, this episode’s kind of like a little encapsulated, uh, isolated episode kind of thing. Like, I don’t think anything in this episode relates to anything that’s come before particularly.

Alice: No. Um, interestingly as well, [00:04:00] this episode was actually supposed to air, um, like a week later and was switched with the next episode.

Ellen: Hmm.

Bex: Oh, and then there was a whole big thing that somebody dropped it too early.

Alice: Yeah. Apparently it released online the morning it was supposed to air rather than that night.

Ellen: Oh, no.

Bex: Yeah, Hulu got it early and so everybody watched it and then. I believe most of the fandom were very, very good at just not spoiling it.

Ellen: Right. So, so this episode aired earlier than it was meant to right? On November the eighth. So this is before, like, it’ll been, probably would’ve been before Thanksgiving. ’cause that’s usually later in November.

Alice: Um, yeah, so it was supposed to air November 8th, but aired November 1st.

Ellen: Oh, okay. Oh, that’s weird.

Bex: Okay. Yeah. So, wow. So the sum, [00:05:00] the summary has both dates on it.

Ellen: Oh, something. Something got very mixed up in this whole thing.

Bex: So this episode aired at some point in November of

Alice: some point in November,

some point in November, 2021.

Bex: We’re not entirely sure. We know when it originally aired, but it’s sometime in November, 2021 it was released.

Ellen: Yeah. I guess the point is that it’s not, there’s not really too much long game character development in this episode. So they could have put it in any point in this season probably, yes. At least. At least while Chimney’s away. He’s not in this episode.

Alice: Yeah, this episode only has, six of the 11 main cast members. So, yeah, no, um, no Chimney, no. Maddie, no May, no Harry. Who else is a main cast member?

Bex: I just kept thinking of a video where like Kenneth and the others were celebrating how many episodes they’d been in the series.

[00:06:00] Um, and I think Kenneth was saying that he was in more, more episodes than anybody, but he probably would have been in even more if Jennifer hadn’t had to take maternity leave. And so they, they booted Kenneth offset for a couple of weeks. They, yeah.

Alice: Um, apparently Michael was also a main cast member.

Ellen: Oh yeah.

Alice: He obviously also wasn’t

Bex: He was this season. Yeah. Yes. Which we, we will discuss a little bit later on.

Ellen: Okay. Well, let me do the summary and then we can talk some more about it. Okay. So this is it. This is episode six. We’re up to episode six already. Um, it’s called “Brawl in Cell Block 9-1-1”. And the summary just says, responding to a fire at a prison, Bobby and the 118 find themselves trapped in a deadly riot.

That’s it. That’s it. And that’s basically everything that happens. Broadly speaking. Um, the triggers include, I like how you have Mark PeIIegrino as like the first trigger in this list. [00:07:00] So

Alice: I was triggered.

Bex: It’s a big one for me.

Ellen: Okay. It’s, it’s kind of a big one for Supernatural fans. Um, the American prison system, abdominal surgery, um, like graphically shown lots of blood and stuff. Um, child at threat, we have the generic cops tag, um, hostage situation, organ donation and or transplant, prison riot, surgery, suicide via gunshot, threat of gun violence, threat of physical violence and stabbing.

Bex: All the fun ones. Yes. Uh, so we do have to preface before we get into this episode that, uh, coming from the supernatural fandom, we, between the three of us have varying degrees of feelings about Mark PeIIegrino as an actor and as a human being.

Um, which for varying degrees will affect our [00:08:00] perception of this episode. Um, so if you are not,

Ellen: I don’t think it’s that varying we just don’t like him in general.

Alice: Yeah. We just hate him.

Ellen: It’s not, it’s not that varied.

Alice: I don’t think any of us like

Bex: Alright, none of us like PeIIegrino for the same, at the same like, level of dislike and distaste. Um, but basically I,

Ellen: but he wasn’t terrible in this episode.

Bex: What I’m trying to say is, if you’re not from the Supernatural fandom or the Dexter fandom or any other fandom where PeIIegrino

Alice: or any fan fandom, because he’s in everything,

Bex: if you have not seen

Alice: watched TV before?

Bex: Mark PeIIegrino if you’ve crawled out from under a rock to simply watch 9-1-1 and you’ve never seen Mark PeIIegrino before and you don’t understand why we are hating on this episode and hating on this actor, we are very sorry. We are gonna try

Alice: check his Twitter and you’ll, um,

Bex: we are going to try and do as much of a balanced, uh, fuck. We are never balanced. Um, uh, look, I’ll preface at the right at the beginning [00:09:00] just to set the tone. I did like the episode. I just wish it didn’t have Mark PeIIegrino in it. Otherwise I would’ve liked it a whole lot more.

Yeah. Like the episode, hate the actor basically, but then unfortunately for me, the actor kind of ruined

Ellen: Yeah. The story. Yeah. Well, I found, I found that I had like, after the beginning part where I was in the most weird cognitive dissonance, like, it just felt very strange. Yes. Um, I had to actually just completely separate him from his, his, his like real life persona.

Just forget that he was who he is because it, it kept distracting me away from the episode and I’m like, look, I’m just, I’m just gonna have to pretend he’s just a new person that I’ve never seen before. And then in that way I was able to, um, enjoy the episode.

Bex: You obviously smarter person than I am because I was not able to separate. Um, so yes, let’s just, we’re putting that [00:10:00] out there.

Alice: That’s the other problem with Mark PeIIegrino is because he’s so much like, like all his characters are the same. And because he’s so much like his characters whenever he comes on, it’s just like, oh, it’s Mark PeIIegrino. Like, it’s not like, oh, it’s that guy that I’ve seen in the things. Like it’s just the same guy.

Bex: He’s not an, he’s not a, an actor that inhabits a character. All of the characters are just variations of him.

Alice: Yeah. Like, um, Jennifer Love Hewitt is obviously in a lot of things, but I don’t like when she’s on screen I’m like, oh, it’s Maddie. Like, I’m not like, ah, it’s the Ghost Whisperer.

Except in that one episode where she was the Ghost Whisperer and like Chimney. I’ve seen like Kenneth Choi in a lot of things, but in 9-1-1 he’s Chimney. Yeah.

Ellen: I just always see, see Mark PeIIegrino and say that it’s Lucifer.

Alice: Yeah. Like he’s just the same guy in everything. Alright,

Ellen: well, at the beginning of this. Yeah, let’s do that. Um, when I think, I suspect that it was [00:11:00] probably because the song that is playing is Johnny Cash “Folsom Prison Blues”. And it felt like the first five minutes of a Supernatural episode, and not because of Mark PeIIegrino, but the feeling of it was really,

Alice: it, it was very Supernatural vibes.

Ellen: It was very, I was like, this is, I, it’s showing, its like DNA of this show. Like it wasn’t until Josh showed up in the one, in the 9-1-1 call and then I was like, oh, that’s right. I’m watching 9-1-1.

Alice: Yeah, right. I had the same sort of weird like feeling. I was like, what am I watching again? And then Josh showed up, I’m like, oh, that’s right. And then the 118 showed up. I’m like, this is the wrong Bobby investigating this case, like what’s happening right now.

Ellen: Yeah. It’s very odd. Anyway, yeah, we’re in, we’re at the prison.

Bex: We are, we are at Jamestown State Prison, um, where we are following, um, one of the guards named Vaughn who was arrived for his shift this morning.

Um, and so we are following him into it. It’s 4:00 PM [00:12:00] but this morning Yeah, it’s his morning. It’s his morning. ’cause he’s on bit, apparently he’s on night shift. Um, so we are following him into the prison, um, and meet… through him we are meeting all of the bit players that are going to play a part in this episode. So,

Ellen: Yeah, we found out some names, like he intro, he sort of called them by name and then I immediately forgot their names and had no idea this guy who was looking at the security system was called Eyes.

Bex: What? Well, we, we actually do get a name for him at some point. I think his name’s like Isaacson, but I just. He’s just Eyes through the entire thing.

Alice: Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.

Ellen: Right,

Bex: because he’s like security, he’s got eyes on everything. So he’s like, and is, there’s eyes,

Ellen: it totally makes sense, but like, I did not catch that. And Mm,

Alice: yeah, I don’t, I don’t pay attention to the one-offs, honestly. Um,

Ellen: there was just the prisoners and there was the security guys and that was it.

Alice: The problem with 9-1-1 is that they occasionally [00:13:00] bring back a one-off player, like a, a one-off actor, and then they’re just like, oh my God, you’re the guy from the thing.

And I’m like, what? Who, who? When?

Bex: Like the bloody porch pirate.

Alice: Yes. The Porch Pirate and um,

Bex: uh, Lola, Lola and Norman, I think.

Alice: Yeah. They come back later.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: And there’s also someone who else who comes back later who’s in, I don’t even remember.

Ellen: Jeffrey.

Alice: Yeah, Jeffrey. I would not recognize Jeffrey. Um, and yeah, there was an, an actress who came back in one of the recent seasons as well.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: Um, and Buck’s, like, “oh my God, you’re that girl.” And she’s just like, “oh God.” And I’m like, what are you talking about? And I had to Google it ’cause I had no idea what they were talking about. And she was in a season from like three years ago, like, sure, why not? But I mean, anyway, moral of this story is I probably should be paying attention to these people, but I never do, have not learned.

Bex: Yes. I [00:14:00] mean, they, there is that, but there’s also that they are sort of semi-important to this to the, to the riot storyline. So we constantly are coming back to them. So it’s good that we meet them. Uh, so we meet Eyes, who is the security, like the main security guard. He’s in this like reinforced pod with all of the security cameras footage.

Um, and he’s responsible for buzzing people in and out and letting people through the gates. Um, then we also meet the doctor and we also,

Ellen: yeah, he looks so done because it, he walks past him and says, “morning doc!” And doc’s like, “it’s 4:00 PM.” So that’s where he is like, “It’s morning to me!” And I’m like, why is this guy so excited to be at work?

Alice: And he’s been there a long time because one of the other guards is like, oh, your dad’s been like, “My dad said you’ve been making that same joke since he was here.”

Yeah. And so this guy’s like basically part of the furniture at the prison by the sounds of it.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: Uh, then [00:15:00] we also meet Garcia who appears to be Vaughn’s boss, but he’s not like high high up in the, because he’s, he’s not the warden because they do mention that the warden is somebody else.

There is a new warden, um, but he’s obviously high and up above Vaughn that he’s able to give Vaughan orders, one of which is that, um, he needs to take Mitchell for a walk because apparently Vaughan is the only guard that Mitchell likes.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And this is when, and we meet Mitchell. And Mitchell is played by Mark PeIIegrino, who for some reason is in a completely different prison outfit from everybody else in the prison.

Ellen: Yeah. And he’s in like a cage on his own basically.

Alice: He seems to be in solitary. Yeah, he’s in solitary confinement. We don’t really get much of a backstory. We get a bit of a backstory on him, but not like a heap. Um, but he appears to be in solitary [00:16:00] confinement. Um, he gets his like allocated walk a day where he’s also solitary.

So like he is just in a like little yard by himself. There’s not really much to do. He literally is just standing there eating it. I dunno where he got the apple from, but he’s standing there eating an apple,

Bex: but he is not even in the yard. ’cause I initially thought okay, he’s out in the exercise yard and then I, there’s one shot where they show him from above and he’s in this tiny little dirt strip in between the exterior fence and the exercise yard.

Alice: Yeah. ’cause he is not allowed in like with the rest of them. And so I guess he’s in like a solitary,

Bex: it, it just looks like you yard, you know, when you’ve got like an alley sort of between the fence and a building

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: But you got cut through so they’re just sort of chucked him in there. Um, and it, it seems a little bit random for us to, you know, watch this guy eating his apples in the dirt strip.

And there is a moment where he drops the apple and because he’s finished eating it, [00:17:00] and Vaughn tells him not to litter. So Mitchell complies, bends down, picks up the apple, and they, he gets his cuffs and his shackles put back on him, and they head back into the prison.

And as they are heading in, Eyes is also scanned in or buzzed in I think there’s a bunch of new prisoners coming in, either from the exercise yard or from outside. I don’t know where they’ve come from, but there’s like a line of prisoners coming in between two guards and they’re entering in the opposite direction from Vaughn and Mitchell.

Alice: Yeah. So they’re passing by them and while they’re passing by Mitchell and one of the guys from the group, like lock eyes and then the other, like the inmate that’s not Mitchell pulls a shiv out of his waistband and like, I hadn’t seen this episode for ages and I initially thought that he was gonna stab Mitchell.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: Yeah. And I think, I think [00:18:00] that’s the idea.

Bex: I think that’s,

Alice: and that’s definitely the, yeah, that’s definitely the direction that they’re trying to like do it because they’re making eyes at each other, and then

Bex: there’s a misdirect where you think that Dom is about to, um, attack Mitchell, but instead he veers off at the last second and goes for Vaughn and then it’s just full on riot. Everybody’s stabbing everybody. Mitchell grabs another, um, another inmate and starts to garotte him with his shackles, which, you know, kudos to him for making use of what he’s got.

Alice: Yeah. But yeah, shit’s on. Like there’s blood going everywhere.

Ellen: It’s a full on brawl. Yeah. Yeah.

Bex: Yes. Um, and then we get an interesting 9-1-1 call because the sound wave that comes on the screen is yellow, which we’ve never seen before.

Ellen: Yeah. I was confused at first. I’m like, oh, what is this?

Bex: So is Josh, because he picks up the phone and he’s like, “uh, [00:19:00] is this a drill?” And uh, Eyes is like, “fuck, this is not a drill.” And gives out a full security code including what the color of the day is, um, which happens to be yellow, which apparently matches whatever Josh has got in his system.

Ellen: Yeah. Interesting security precaution.

Bex: The code I can understand. The color of the day. I mean, did, would they actually change it every single day?

Ellen: It might be an automatic change.

Alice: Yeah. The code they’d change. Yeah. They would have to change ’em all I guess.

Bex: I’m just fascinated by the logistics of this, that there is like a program somewhere in, in the 9-1-1 system where they have to pull it up and there is a code there.

Ellen: Yeah. And like why would they need it? Because if he’s calling him directly from the security pod thing,

Alice: I mean I guess it’s in case an, like an inmate goes in [00:20:00] because like, you know, you could just call 9-1-1 and be like, oh yeah, we totally need someone here.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: Yeah. But that’s assuming it’s an like an open phone line that you can call from anywhere. Like if it’s a direct thing from the prison to 9-1-1 Metro, whatever that is.

Bex: I will say I did not question the need for a code. I just thought it was cool and then I’m like, how would that work logistically with the code? But I did not question that there would be a need for a code.

Ellen: In any case uh, Eyes is very, um, comprehensive in his situation report. So the 118 have been dispatched naturally. Josh has done his job and sent them.

Bex: Yes. Because not only is there a riot, there is a fire. So the 118 have not been dispatched to deal with the riot. They have been dispatched to deal with the fire. Um, most notably because the fire is in a part of the prison building, um, and where the [00:21:00] smoke is getting pushed through the HVAC system throughout the entire prison.

So everyone’s getting smoked out, which is probably not a good thing.

Ellen: This whole scene is so well done. Like it’s very tense. Um. There’s just a lot going on everywhere because there’s the riot and then there’s the, you know, they’re trying to get through to find out where the fire is and then they have to, you know, turn off this, whatever the vent system is that’s pulling the smoke through.

Alice: And they’ve got armed guards with them as well. And

Ellen: yeah, it’s just, uh, very well done.

Bex: Yeah. So the 118 get there. Garcia is briefing Bobby. He reports that he managed to get out the smaller fire, but the biggest one is still building in the HVAC corridor. And so the, the air conditioning is what’s pumping the smoke through.

Um, and that because they’ve only got 40% of the riot contained, he’s gonna send them in with, four armed guards and promises that he will get them in and out safely. All they have to do [00:22:00] is take care of the fire.

Ellen: Poor Ravi looks absolutely terrified. This is like,

Alice: he really does!

Ellen: This is, this is a lot to have to deal with when you’re just a probie.

Alice: Like last week Buck’s just like “You have graduated from Probie” and Ravi’s, like “no, I’m very much still a probie. I have been here for three weeks. I am”

Bex: at this point it’s

Alice: “two apples tall.”

Bex: Can I just, can I please go back and be like, man behind and roll hoses and clean and make coffee?

Ellen: Yeah, just leave behind. That would be fine. I don’t want to go to the prison and deal with a riot. But they, they do, they spend some time dealing with the fire, but they eventually do manage to get it out.

Bex: Yes, they did. They got, they got to the HVAC corridor, they managed to get the HVAC system turned off. Um,

Alice: they get Ravi to go find the kill switch to the um, like aircon as well.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Which is important for later,

Bex: which is like “Ravi, try and find the kill switch if you can.” [00:23:00] And he takes like three steps forward. Yeah. He’s like, there it’s massive red lever on the wall.

Alice: It’s like a red lever with like neon signs and arrows that are like, kill switch, kill switch.

Ellen: Bobby’s like, “Let us know when you’ve done it.” And he is like, okay, it’s done. Like yeah.

Bex: Yeah. So they get the fire, they get the fire put out. So they try, the next step is they didn’t need to leave the prison. But unfortunately, um, the riot is escalated. Um, and so those four guards that had been promised to Bobby are being redirected and they’re left with one armed guard.

Uh, apparently Wilkinson can handle it. Um, Wilkinson does not look like he can handle it. The look that he gives everybody is like, what the fuck you mean I can handle it? Bobby’s also like, what the fuck do you mean Wilkinson can handle it. Nobody looks confident that Wilkinson can get the 118 out safely.

Ellen: Yeah. [00:24:00] But they do head off. But they hear, um, some like someone breathing in the room and they find two people lying on the floor injured.

Bex: One of them is in the, the blue jeans and the, like, the blue scrub top. One of them is in all white. Um, and unfortunately nobody has learned their lesson from “Home and Away”.

Uh, because Wilkinson takes one look at the body of the person that’s dressed in the all white outfit and gone, “holy shit, that’s Mitchell.”

Alice: Also, can we stop putting Mark PeIIegrino in white?

Bex: I mean, to, in Wilkinson’s defense, the guy’s face is fucked up. It’s covered in blood, covered in scratches. Um, they’re both kind of sandy blonde. Um, but yeah, so he identified

Alice: a generic white men. I wouldn’t,

Ellen: it’s not Mitchell

Alice: have identified him either.

Bex: It, it’s not Mitchell, [00:25:00] but they are treating it as Mitchell. Uh, the, so he has been stabbed, and the other guy has a crushed trachea and Wilkinson is like, okay, fuck them. We’re just gonna leave them. Let’s get you guys out of here. Because he literally calls them scumbags.

Alice: Yeah. Literally just goes, “They’re scumbags. Leave them here.” It’s like, wow. That’s cool.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Uh, but Bobby’s a little bit more caring at this point. He’s gonna lose that later on in the episode, but right now he cares about them. He’s like, “Well, we’re not gonna leave them here. Uh, we’re just going to pick ’em up and we’re gonna drag them out of the prison.” So, Buck and Eddie have got the guy in white? No, Buck and Eddie have got the guy in blue. And Hen, and Ravi and Bobby have got the guy in white.

Ellen: Meanwhile, Eyes is, uh, [00:26:00] panicking, uh, because they’ve basically losing control of the whole place.

Bex: Yes. And he can’t do anything about it. He’s just sitting in his little pod watching all the shit go down.

Ellen: Yep. So they trying to get Eyes to buzz them out of the area. I guess that they must lock down each individual area and whoever’s in the security pod has to buzz everyone through all the doors.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: But, um, but the, the guy in white starts having a seizure. The guy who was injured, like the, the guy who got stabbed, he starts like flailing around, like he’s having a seizure.

So, he tells Buck and Eddie to hurry up with the other guy, take him out, and we will. Um, I can’t, I I missed out what actually happened here. How did they get separated like this?

Bex: So you had, um, Buck and Eddie had the guy, the in the blue inmate uniform and [00:27:00] Hen and Ravi had the guy in white. The guy in white starts seizing. So Hen wants to put him down so she can assess him and treat them, but they’re in the main corridor at this point. So Bobby’s like, there’s no point all of us being sitting ducks, Buck Eddie, you are closest to the door. Your guy can barely breathe, get him out, get into the ambulance, get treatment started for him, and then we will be right behind you.

And despite Buck and Eddie thinking that’s the worst idea in the world, they don’t wanna leave their captain and their team behind, he orders them out, so out they go.

Alice: Yeah. And apparently Protocol says that they have to have two guards with them. Um, and so Eyes calls on the radio for an ambulance escort for a prisoner who’s being transported to the local ER.

And so we get a voice over the radio going, “Vaughn here, me and Mahoney are on the way.” So Wilkinson gets Buck and Eddie out the door, um, tells them not to leave without the escort [00:28:00] and just goes.

Bex: And then we do see two guards, um, approaching the ambulance. One of them climbs into the back with the prisoner.

One of them climbs into the front next to Buck who’s driving. Meanwhile Eyes telling the, uh, telling the 118 that who are still in the corridor, still assessing the, the stabbing victim in white that they need to move because the corridor is about to become inundated with rioting inmates. Um, so he tells them to backtrack to the infirmary.

So while we see the ambulance being allowed to leave the prisons, so Eyes radios through to the tower guards to let the, to open the gate to let the ambulance out. Bobby, Ravi and Hen are dragging their, um, victim to the infirmary where the doctor lets them in. Um,

Ellen: yeah, ’cause he’s like barricaded. He’s like locked the door.

Bex: He has locked the door for good reason because as soon as the 118 [00:29:00] gets through and the doctor tries to close the door, the other inmates tried to get into the infirmary. And so Bobby rushes over to help the doctor close the door, um, which he does, but on the doctor’s hand.

Ellen: Yeah. Ouch.

Bex: Like full on slams the door while the doc has still got his fingers sort of curled around the, the frame, the edge of the door.

Alice: He is just a doctor. Why would he need his hands? It’s fine.

Bex: It’s not like he has to do surgery at any, any point.

Ellen: Why indeed? Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. Should be fine.

Ellen: Bobby’s like, oh, sorry, dude. Uh, he actually literally says sorry.

Bex: Yeah. Like, sorry, like, sorry, doc. You’re okay? And the doctor’s like, you just broke my motherfucking hand, but No, that’s fine. There is a bigger, uh, bigger, more important issue because he identifies the victim that they’ve just dragged in and put on his, um, hospital bed. It’s not Mitchell, but as Freddie [00:30:00] Vaughan, one of the guards, and everybody suddenly realizes that if this is Freddie Vaughan and he’s not,

Ellen: where are the prisoners?

Bex: Not, he’s not a, an inmate. Where are the inmates?

Ellen: Have one guess where the inmates are.

Bex: And that’s when we cut back into the ambulance, the ambulance where Bobby is, uh, freaking out over the radio asking for Buck and Eddie to, uh, to come in, uh, to get on the radio and let him know that, let them know that he’s okay.

But when Buck goes to reach for said radio, uh, the prison guard who had climbed into the shotgun seat, pulls out, not a shotgun, that would’ve been very ironic, um, but pulls out a gun but pulls out a gun, points at it Buck and shakes his head like, no, you’re not getting on the radio. Like, oh dear. He then orders Buck to switch off the lights and sirens so that the ambulance doesn’t attract any more [00:31:00] attention.

And, uh, that’s when Eddie realizes that something’s gone on because the lights and sirens switch off and he’s immediately head up looking around like, Buck, why the fuck did you turn everything off? And then he sees that the guard who’s sitting in the back with him also has a gun.

Yeah. And he’s got like a ball cap pulled down over his face. Um, and he very slowly like, takes the hat off, which is entirely for the audiences, for the audience because Eddie has no idea who this guy is. He’s never seen him before. The face reveal, it means nothing to him, but it means something to the audience because we suddenly realize that Mitchell is the one that’s now in the ambulance.

Ellen: And the absolute like, uh, it’s not until a bit later when they’re all standing there together. But the cognitive dissonance here is like real, like, why is he there with my Eddie and my Buck? This is wrong. This is so wrong. But anyway, uh,

Bex: the closing line for [00:32:00] the scene before we hit commercial is, “I can’t thank you boys enough. I have waited 18 years to get the hell out of that place.” Dun, dun dun.

Alice: Yep. So, yes, like discussion or the first, um, hint of his background. We know that he’s been in there for 18 years, so at the moment we know that he was in solitary confinement and that he has been in there for 18 years.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: So yes, we come back from a commercial, Buck has pulled the ambulance over onto the side of the road. Everybody is out of the ambulance. And, um, Dom starts, which is the, the other, the other inmate that’s tagged along. Um, he starts searching Buck and Eddie. If looks could kill Eddie would be able to kill everybody within a five mile radius with the glare that he is giving everyone.

Ellen: Yeah. Filthy [00:33:00] look.

Bex: He’ll, he also looks very good in this episode. That glare is working. It’s working for me. The hair and the glare and that.

Ellen: Yeah. Well he’s just a, he’s just so fed up with the whole thing. It’s like, what the fuck now? Like, come on, I’m just trying to save this guy’s life. Do we really have to do this? That’s kind of the, the energy that he’s bringing to the whole thing.

Alice: Eddie is just sassy this entire episode

Bex: so fucking sassy.

Alice: He does not care at all. Like not the who shat in his cereal this morning.

Bex: I love it. I’m here for Sassy Eddie

Ellen: Uhhuh.

Bex: Um, so. We, we get, we do thank Eddie because we do get a little bit of, um, exposition or flashback from him, um, because he, while Dom is searching him and Buck, um, Eddie has like locked his attention on Mitchell and is like, “I’m guessing, um, the patient that’s in the ambulance currently fighting for [00:34:00] breath. Um, that your handiwork.”

And we get at the flashback and we realize that that little moment that we talked about earlier where, um, Mitchell was in his tiny little dirt exercise yard adjacent to the main yard, and he drops his apple and he gets told off for littering and he picks it up. That was intentional because when he dropped his apple, he had a knife buried in the dirt or someone had planted a knife for him.

So he dropped the apple, which gave him excuse to bend down and pick up the knife, which enabled him to go to participate

Ellen: to stabby, stabby,

Bex: do the stabby stabby. And then we get a little bit of him and Dom dragging Vaughan and one of the inmates away and like swapping, um, guard uniforms and putting the guards in their inmate outfits and like, I mean, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We, we know what happened.

Alice: Like we Yeah, but like where did their knife come from?

Bex: Yeah. Because if Dom was in solitary. [00:35:00] No, sorry. If Mitchell was in solitary, how did he coordinate this with anybody?

Ellen: Yeah, I was wondering that, how did he get this other guy on board with it?

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. I have no idea how any of this, like did they just wink at each other certain ways in the hall every week? Like every day?

Bex: Yeah. The, uh,

Ellen: I’m guessing he wasn’t in solitary forever. Like he, he at some point he must have mixed with the others. But yeah, it just seems like that strange,

Bex: the, the, how the hows of the story are just do not add up. But I, I, I’m gonna be honest, I didn’t, I think I was having don’t, I was having apart from Mark PeIIegrino, I was having a good time in this episode and I didn’t actually care.

Ellen: No.

Alice: Yeah, it was just, I’m like, where did the knife come from then? He doesn’t even use the knife like it, I don’t know. Anyway.

Bex: Yeah, yeah. Um, I was more, I was more focused on the fact that, um, we cut back to Dom [00:36:00] searching, um, searching Buck and Eddie and there’s an error. It’s either an error in the editing or it’s an error in wardrobe and I don’t know which one it is, but we see Dom going to search Eddie to find his wallet and his phone and all of that jazz.

But when we get a cut from behind Ryan, supposedly the back of the turnout is Buckley.

Ellen: Oh,

Bex: but when we cut back to Dom to see what he’s pulled out of said turnout, he’s quite clearly standing in front of Eddie. So it’s either someone in the editing suite fucked up and they did a behind shot behind Oliver and they accidentally put it in the wrong spot in the scene. Or at some point Ryan and Oliver had swapped turnouts.

Ellen: Well, that’s probably le less likely.

Bex: But [00:37:00] see, the thing is, I, I know that people have discussed this in the past, and I could have sworn that there was a photo of the two of them in the wrong turnouts, but I could not find it. So I’m gonna go with,

Alice: yeah, we could not find it this week. So we’ve given up and we’ve decided it’s an editing mistake.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: But it’s still really funny that like of the thought that Eddie and Buck just swapped turnouts at one point and then like swapped them back again.

Ellen: Well, I guess it must be pretty similar kind of jackets. Like it probably doesn’t even matter. They’re roughly the same size, I guess, at this point in the seasons.

Bex: Oh, at this point, because Oliver has not turned into the full brick shit house that he is at the moment. He’s still sort of in his twink era. Um, but, but yeah, so I was more distracted by trying to figure out what the hell was going on with the turnouts.

I’m, yeah, like Ella said, I’m assuming it’s an editing mistake. Mm-hmm. ’cause the editing in this is, is pretty shoddy at some points. Um. But [00:38:00] while I’m focused on that, the important part is that Mitchell now has Eddie’s wallet, and he’s going through it, not like emotionally, he’s literally going through Eddie’s wallet

Ellen: and he’s also going through it emotionally, but he, he pulls out a photo of, um, of Chris and says “this, this your kid?” And Eddie just like, gives him the filthiest of looks and Mitchell’s like, “I’m guessing he lives with you at 4995 South Bedford Street.” and

Alice: like, oh my God. So Eddie is just glaring, but Buck’s just like, “fuck you don’t touch my kid!” And like fully starts charging towards Mitchell and Dom just like smacks him with his gun.

Bex: Yep.

Alice: Um, but yeah, like Eddie’s just smoldering and Buck’s like my child.

Bex: It’s, it, it is hilarious.

Alice: [00:39:00] It is such a Buddie episode. Um,

Bex: and that’s the other thing that I keep forgetting about this episode

Alice: It’s such a Buddie episode.

Bex: Like the, the riot. The riot and the actual emergencies are really good. They’re really well written. They’re really well done. The Buddie-ness of this episode is epic. I just, I just keep remembering Mark fucking PeIIegrino and it ruins it for everything.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Um, so yes, so you’ve got, um Eddie smoldering in anger. You’ve now got Buck nursing a fucking head wound because his like scalp has been split open from the butt.

Alice: His, his eye just healed from Chim punching him.

Bex: I’m actually

Alice: it’s the same side.

Bex: I’m actually really surprised that they didn’t have Dom hit him like in the eye because it’s, it’s right up on his temple. It’s right up in his hairline, not sort of in his eye.

Ellen: Poor Buck. He’s really getting

Alice: Eddie just pulls out ice again and hands it to him

Ellen: smacked in the face.

Bex: Ice goes on the eye, bud,

Alice: ice goes on the eye, bud.

Bex: So [00:40:00] yeah. So now we’ve got, not only is, uh, does Mitchell have Eddie and Buck as hostages, but there’s also the threat that you do what I want you to do or I’m going to hunt down your child and do something, uh, unspeakable to them as a way which I think he was just assuming would keep Eddie in line.

I don’t think he realized that that’s an incredibly effective method for keeping Buck in line too.

Alice: Yeah. He’s like, oh, I didn’t realize I’d kidnapped a married couple. My bad.

Bex: Wait, whose kid is this?

Alice: Yeah. Why… do you have photo of his kid in your wallet or? He looks a lot like Buck, but he was in Eddie’s wallet. I’m so confused.

Ellen: All right. We get a little bit more. Um, sort of exposition, I guess from the LAPD because Elaine and Athena are on the case. I’m like, oh no, not these two again.

Bex: Angela needs to have her screen time. [00:41:00]

Ellen: Oh yeah, that’s fine. I mean, it is her husband involved in this whole thing, so, okay. But, um, so they get the, the low down on what’s happening. They’re not sure if the, the riot was a cover for the escape or the escapees seized on the opportunity. They’ve worked out that Buck and Eddie are in trouble in one area, and then the, the rest of the 118 are still inside the prison. So we go back to

Bex: inside the prison

Ellen: Bobby and the gang, who it is just Hen and Ravi. Almost forgot Ravi.

Alice: Yeah, poor Ravi’s also there.

Ellen: Well, he looks still looks terrified.

Bex: Ravi is like huddled by the door. Just, I don’t know if he’s like, I’m gonna just stand here and keep watch, or he’s just petrified and just needs to keep eyes on what’s going on outside and to keep and make sure danger’s not approaching. But yeah, he’s not having a good time.

Ellen: Nope,

Alice: not at all.

Bex: Bobby is also going through it a little bit, [00:42:00] uh, because Hen and the doctor are talking about, uh, Vaughn and about his injuries. Um, he’s losing a lot of blood and the doctor, being the kind compassionate man that he is, um, says that they should probably give him something for the pain.

And Bobby’s like, mm, no, actually

Ellen: He doesn’t need any morphine,

I

Bex: need you to do the opposite. I need you to wake him up.

Alice: Yeah. I need to torture him a little bit first.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And the doc’s, like, what?

Ellen: Suddenly he’s onboard. No, no pain relief for this man.

Bex: I mean, it’s not that

Ellen: I need to ask him questions.

Bex: It, it’s not no pain relief. It’s like delay the pain relief. But it, yeah, it very much comes up of, you know, you’re not going to, you’re not gonna sedate him. I need to torture him by questioning him first. And the doc’s like, what the hell? And Bobby’s like, “I need info. Um, I need to know how to get in. I need to get, know how to get out. I need keys.” Um, [00:43:00]

Ellen: yeah. But the only way that we are gonna get out of this situation is if we torture this man first.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: Basically.

Bex: Basically. Because the,

Ellen: no, not in as many words, but

Bex: Yeah. But because he’s trying to explain to the doc, like the doctor is going, you know, like we are very safe. There are only three keys to get into the infirmary. One of them is in the security pod with Eyes. It’s fine. Nobody is getting in here without the keys. And Bobby’s like, “Oh, the security pod that’s currently having a bench being rammed into it to break the glass.”

Alice: It cracked me up because Bobby’s like, ’cause yeah, the doc’s like, “the security pod. Why?” Bobby’s like, “Listen.” And there’s literally just banging.

He’s like, “you hear that? That’s them breaking into the security pod.” It’s like, how do you know? It could be anything banging. I mean, he’s right, but still, I mean he is like, how do you know?

Ellen: He doesn’t have the security feeds and

Bex: um, and just to, uh, reinforce that, we then get [00:44:00] Eyes on the radio going, “fuck, I need reinforcements. They’re trying to break in.” Um, and the doc is still like doubting. He’s like, “there is no way they’re gonna get into that security pod.” And Bobby is like, “I have been a firefighter for nearly three decades,” damn. And he says, and there is not a lot anybody.

Ellen: Yeah, when he said that, I’m like, how old is Bobby in this episode? Like if he started,

Alice: he’s like 50. So

Ellen: when he was like 20, then yeah, I guess it makes sense. But like,

Bex: he’s gotta be age appropriate for Athena. So yeah, fifties. Um, basically the, “there is not a locked room anywhere that the right tools and enough time can’t break open. So please wake Freddy up.”

Ellen: Poor Freddy.

Bex: Then we get this stupid scene, which I think was just to justify Brian Safi’s time on set. Um, which was long story short, Mitchell and Dom have ripped the transponder out of the [00:45:00] ambulance. So CAD can’t track the ambulance anymore. They don’t know where it is.

Ellen: Um, but they are, uh, they’re driving along and the guy in the ambulance is having a time, he’s like starting to choke and like, and blood is like welling up in his mouth.

So, um, it Eddie’s trying to fix him, like, you know, trying to help him a little bit. And Mitchell is suddenly worried that he’s going to die. And he’s like, “what, you, you care about the guy, you almost beat to death?”

Bex: And yeah, the response is a little creepy.

Ellen: He’s like, “If I wanted this guy dead, he’d be dead.”

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: “But, and I kept him alive. And now you have to keep him alive.” It’s like, well, why do you need him alive?

Bex: I crushed his trachea just enough.

Ellen: Yeah, it is weird. I mean, he, did we find out why he, like, they said why he was in prison. Like it wasn’t like a triple homicide or something, like he’s killed people before.

Bex: [00:46:00] Well, funnily enough, we’re about to go back to the LAPD where, um, Elaine is going to read through his file for us.

Ellen: Oh, there you go. I knew they said it at some point.

Bex: Um, so yes, he has been on death row for 18 years for a triple homicide, which was just the latest in a very long line of offenses, dating back from a sealed juvie record. Dom’s a small time crook, home invasion from Milwaukee. He’s just, he’s, he’s not important. Mitchell is the important one. Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. It makes you wonder why the other guy agreed to help, um, get him to the hospital, and didn’t just like, take off as soon as they got out of the prison, you know? But he does his part.

Bex: He he does play his part. Yeah. They didn’t, there is no, um, there is no world building with this. There’s no sort of

Ellen: No, we don’t find out anything about him at all.

Bex: Nope.

Ellen: Except that he got,

Bex: this is what happens and we are just supposed to sit here and go, yes, this is what [00:47:00] happens. I’m like, okay.

Ellen: So like Athena and Maynard Maynard?

Bex: Yes. What is, what’s her actual name? Elaine.

Ellen: Elaine, that’s it.

Bex: Elaine Maynard. Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah, I know. Uh, it just sound, it feels weird calling her Maynard when we calling Athena by her first name. Um, they’re, they’re looking up basically to work out if they, if, if they can work out where they’re going because they can’t track the ambulance.

So they don’t have any connections in the area. But they apparently, um, Mitchell had started to get in touch with his ex-wife from like 18 years ago. And so they, um, decide to go and talk to her or get her into protection, um, because they think that he would go through all this trouble just to settle an old score.

Bex: Yes. So they roll up lights and sirens blaring, which. It might [00:48:00] not be the best thing if Mitchell was actually in the house. Um, he’s not, so that’s fine. Um, the roll up at Savannah’s house, she’s not there. Um, but the neighbor very kindly has Savannah’s phone number and gives it to the police

Alice: and knows all about her whereabouts. Yeah. It’s kind of weird, but Sure.

Bex: And I’m looking at this neighbor going why…

Alice: We need to move things along. It’s fine.

Bex: Yes, I know it’s exposition neighbor, but my neighbors would not have my phone number or know how to get in, contact me or know where I am. So, um, of all of the things in this episode that I went, I don’t believe that is really real.

This is one of the things that just went, wait, hang on. I believed the knife in the dirt. Um, I did not believe this.

Uh, but Athena gets in touch with Savannah and the implication is that they are going to go to her to put her into protective [00:49:00] custody. Um, Ravi would like to go into protective custody too, ’cause he’s still freaking out in the infirmary.

Ellen: Oh, poor Ravi.

Bex: And it doesn’t make it any better than the fact that the doctor has followed Bobby’s orders and has woken up Vaughn and he’s now screaming in pain because he must be in quite a bit of pain right now.

Ellen: I mean, he has been gut stabbed, like

Bex: yes. So he’s screaming and Bobby’s like, “Hi, um, I’m so sorry about this. Um, but we are stuck in here with the rioting prisoners and uh, we need you to help us get out.”

Ellen: Yeah. And poor Vaughn just, he can barely speak because he is in so much pain and he barely even says anything and they’re just like, you know, assuming what he’s saying because all he says is that PPP and they’re like “the pod is the pod? The security pod?”

Bex: Yeah. I think, um,

Ellen: maybe he was saying something else about being in pain or I don’t know,

Bex: well, you know how we [00:50:00] keep talking about like Bobby’s captain hat allows him to like look at somebody and diagnose them.

Um, yeah, I feel like it’s, it’s, he’s like moved the house sideways.

Ellen: He’s having a psychic link.

Bex: Yeah. He’s now like moved the hat and he’s connected a psychic. He’s got a psychic connection with Vaughan through the power of the captain’s hat. And so he’s able to figure out what Vaughn is saying. Um, ’cause I have no idea how he got from gas to tear gas to the dentist office.

Yeah. I didn’t even know there was a dentist’s office in the prison. I mean, it makes sense there is one, but,

Ellen: makes sense. Yeah. But yeah, that was quite a leap.

Bex: Yes. He should put on a safety harness before he does that, or you know, get a, a hose and wrap it around his waist.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. A fire hose. That would be fine.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: Um, but they just, they work somehow they get to the fact that they need to put tear gas through the air [00:51:00] conditioning system,

Bex: which Ravi is like, “That sounds like a really bad idea. That sounds like it’s just gonna piss everybody off.”

Ellen: And Bobby’s like, it’s just so crazy it might work.

Bex: Well, the backup, the backup plan is let’s put some nitrous oxide, like laughing gas through the vent instead. Bobby’s like, okay, cool. Um, I will go to the HVAC, I will turn it on, then I’ll go to the dentist’s office and I will get the night, the laughing gas, and I will feed it through the vent. Which Hen rightly points out is a stupid plan because it, that’s Bobby running around the adv, running around the prison, doing everything they should divide and conquer.

She will go and turn on the HVAC and Bobby can go get the gas, which Bobby says that’s an even stupider plan because I broke the doctor’s hand, so he can’t actually do anything. So we need you as the paramedic slash med student to stay in the infirmary and do the medical shit and Ravi’s following this whole conversation and going, oh [00:52:00] shit.

All right. I will go and turn the HVAC on ’cause at least I know where the damn lever is.

Alice: It’s like, I found it once I can find it again.

Ellen: Like, no, Ravi, you don’t have to be a hero. You are only a baby.

Bex: And the doc does not help by saying, “You know, you’re gonna be a target to these rioting prisoners.” And Ravi’s like, “Oh shit, I didn’t think of that.”

Um, so Bobby’s like, “Cool, we’ll put him into disguise. What if he doesn’t look like a firefighter?”

Ellen: They still haven’t, I don’t know what the prisoners are doing. They’re running around like headless chickens.

Bex: They’re just like, they’re just fucking shit up. Just,

Ellen: but they’re not even

Bex: Yeah, pretty much

Ellen: destroying anything. They’re just running in and out of the corridors. Like, I don’t know.

Bex: They, they, they set some fires, but they, you know, those fires have been put out. But yeah, they’re, they’re pretty much just breaking shit. Some of them look like they have tried to escape. ’cause we do see at some points some prisoners like racing out [00:53:00] into sort of the, the outside.

I don’t think they’re gonna get through the gates, but at least they got out of the main building. Yeah. Um, surprisingly we don’t see a lot of bodies though, so they’re breaking shit, but they’re not killing people. Maybe it’s the wrong time slot for that and the wrong network.

Ellen: They’ve already had some stabbings, but no one’s actually dead yet.

Bex: Yeah. ’cause you, you can, in the security footage, you can still see that there are guards like running around after them. Like why haven’t you guys turned on the guards? But anyway, um, while all that is happening, um. The doctor and Hen are um, are having a little bit of a conversation as Hen is patching up the doctor’s hand, including a dad joke, like a medical dad joke, which I’m very proud of. I’m very happy they put that in.

Ellen: I missed this in the thing. What did he say?

Bex: Yeah, but if anyone else who’s missed it, um, Hen is telling the doctor that um, his hand is not actually broken, thank God, [00:54:00] but he won’t have normal range of motion for a few weeks. And the doctor says, but tell me, will I play the piano again?

And the normal, like the joke response is, um, yes, you’ll be able to play the piano. And then the patient comes back and goes, oh, that’s funny ’cause I’ve never been able to play the piano before.

Ellen: Mm-hmm

Bex: Hen’s just done with this whole situation. She’s heard that joke. She’s not playing, she just looks at the doctor and goes, could you play the piano before? And doc’s like, damnit. Yes. Terrible, Autumn, but funny

Alice: Autumn’s equally as outrage,

Bex: but it does make Hen think of chimney ’cause it would be the kind of joke that he would make. And so we get a little bit of exposition about Hen being in medical school. ’cause oh my god, somebody in the writing room remembered that Hen was going to medical school.

Yeah. Someone remembered because the doctor thinks that Hen’s level of, uh, medical expertise is just the [00:55:00] standard for LA paramedics and Hen says, “well actually I was like studying to become a doctor. I’m in second year of med school.”

Alice: Yeah. Was?

Bex: Yes, thank you. I picked up on that too, and I’m like, does like, were you not going to classes? Like were you dropping out of med school? Were you were med school dropout?

Ellen: Yeah. I think it’s just the way that she says it as “I was, I was looking at heading into your line of work” rather than I am. But it still means basically the same thing.

Bex: I know, but it’s just that, you know, we’re six episodes in, it’s, it’s weird so far this season

Alice: it’s weirdly said, like she could have just said, yeah, I’m actually like, I’m also in med school because she’s like, oh, I was looking at heading into your line of work.

And he immediately goes, “oh, medical school, what year?” And it’s like she didn’t, like, she could have just been looking. She, how do you know she’s in med school? It’s a very strange exchange.

Bex: I just think it’s because we’ve mentioned in previous episodes this season that no one, we haven’t seen any mention of Hen going to [00:56:00] med school this season, so I just assumed that she dropped out.

So I was wondering whether this was gonna be the confirmation that she dropped out, but no, apparently she hasn’t.

Ellen: Yeah, she, we just haven’t seen her doing it. She’s been doing it off camera.

Bex: Yes. Uh, but before we can get a full explanation of Hen’s experience in the second year of med school, um, Vaughn plummets. And they need to make, they need to do surgery. Which the doctor can’t do because his hands all fucked up. Thank you Bobby. Um, so Hen’s gonna have to do it for him.

Ellen: Yeah. She’s like, but I’m not a doctor. And the doctor says he doesn’t need you to be a doctor. He needs you to be “my hands.”

Alice: You just need you to have hands.

Bex: And I’m watching this scene going, woman, you have performed surgery in the back of moving ambulances. Like why?

Alice: Literally, like why are you scared now?

Ellen: You hold, you held onto a guy’s artery for like an [00:57:00] hour until

Bex: Yes,

Ellen: you could get into actual surgery. I’m sure you’ll be fine.

Bex: And now you’re actually like, you’re in a stable, non-moving medical room being supervised by an actual doctor. Now you don’t wanna do anything?

Ellen: Yeah. You’ve got this.

Bex: Although I wonder if it’s maybe because she’s in medical school and she now realizes how badly she could fuck up everything that she’s doing, that she’s a little bit more hesitant to just, you know, stick her hand in somebody’s chest cavity.

Ellen: Maybe.

Bex: Speaking of, um, of doing shit in ambulances, we’re gonna go back to the ambulance where, um, Eddie is now having to intubate the, uh, the crushed trachea victim because he is struggling to breathe because of said crushed trachea.

Ellen: He, uh, gets Buck to pass him a tube. Buck is very, he’s just eyeing Mitchell while he is doing it ’cause he is point still pointing a gun at them. So he is like, doesn’t wanna make any sudden moves. And they, they see this like Dom [00:58:00] turns around and says that they’re almost there, and then they realize, Buck realizes that they’re at a hospital and he’s like, “wait, wait. We are going to a hospital?”

Alice: We’re actually going to a hospital?

Ellen: Yeah. And, um, Mitchell’s sort of going, well, you are worried about this guy, right? Like, we can, we can take him into the emergency department. That’s fine. So they, they do, they pull up at the emergency entrance and they get him out. And Mitchell’s like, “Pretty boy stays with me.” I’m like, who’s? I’m pretty boy?

Bex: I was, I went, I was watching, I was watching that scene specifically to see how Buck and Eddie would react when Mitchell says, “pretty boy stays with me. Kid goes inside” to see if either of them reacted to somebody being called pretty boy. Neither of them blinked and I was so disappointed.

Ellen: Yeah,

Alice: I think I blinked more because

Ellen: they’re equally pretty.

Alice: I was more like, I was so confused [00:59:00] because I was like, I was half tuning out. Like I, full disclosure, I was very tired while watching this episode, so I’m like half falling asleep and the other guy’s name is Dom and I heard Dom you, and, and I thought he said.

You and the dom, but he said like, Dom, you and the kid. And so I’m like, what? And I actually had to go back because I was like, he’s not, like, Buck is not what I would call a Dom. Like outta in his relationship, Taylor is the dom here. Like, let’s be real. Um, and I was like, oh, the guy’s name is Dom. Right. Okay.

That makes way more sense. I was so confused for a moment there.

Ellen: Okay. Too much fan fiction for you. Put the fic down.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: So apparently Eddie is pretty boy and Buck is the kid.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: So Eddie is going to stay with Mitchell in the ambulance. Dom and Buck are gonna take the, uh, the victim into the emergency [01:00:00] room. And yes, I really did wanna make a a David tenant joke, but unfortunately nobody reacted to being called pretty. Maybe they’re just like, yes, Eddie is fully realized that he is pretty and Buck agrees. So he would just,

Ellen: so they just automatically assumed who they were talking about?

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Oh dear.

Bex: Um, so Buck is like, “I, I, I don’t wanna leave Eddie, I don’t wanna go into the hospital with Dom. I don’t know what you’re planning.” Um, and Mitchell’s like, “you know what? Go, go. Or I’ll shoot Eddie. Or Better yet no go. Or I’ll shoot you better yet. I’ll shoot Eddie. And then I’ll find his kid and I will shoot him too.” And Eddie is immediately like, “Buck go.”

Alice: Yeah, Buck. Get the fuck outta here.

Bex: But it’s just like one word. It’s just like “Buck” and Buck’s immediately. Like out of the ambulance,

Ellen: who’s the [01:01:00] dom now?

Alice: Um, right. This is what I’m saying. Like,

Ellen: um, but they, they do, they wheel the gurney into the ER and there’s no one around. It’s just completely empty.

Bex: It’s like, it’s, they walk in and it’s so quiet and I’m like, this is really weird. And you can see

Ellen: it’s strange.

Bex: The Buck can see that. It’s really weird. Dom probably hasn’t been in emergency rooms enough to realize how weird it is that an ER is that quiet.

Um, but then they get through the doors to the actual ward and it’s empty. There’s no nurses, there’s no patients. The beds are empty. And that’s when they realize that something is seriously wrong. Um, and that’s when they get jumped by LAPD. Including Buck,

Ellen: both of them. Yeah. Yeah.

Alice: Including poor Buck. Yeah.

Ellen: It’s thrown to the floor. He’s like, stop. I’m the LAFD. And they’re like, yeah, [01:02:00] sure.

Bex: Even if he’s like, I’m with the 118, I’m Evan Buckley. And they’re like, yeah, we don’t care. And they’re snapping handcuffs on him. And it’s only when Athena comes running in and she’s like, “Buck? What the fuck are you doing here? Let him go. He’s one of the, this one’s good.” So Buck gets a like, oh, sorry about that. As he gets uncuffed, nobody’s very sorry in this episode.

Ellen: No, but they, you know, where’s Mitchell kind of thing? Athena needs to know, but he’s still in the ambulance with Eddie. And Buck kind of looks like this is really, really bad news that the LAPD have shown up because it’s all gonna go downhill really quick.

Um, so they, the LAPD pull up their cars all around the ambulance, so they sort of box it in so it can’t go anywhere. They call out that they’ve got him surrounded, put your weapons down, come out.

Bex: Mitchell’s panicking. [01:03:00] He’s like, how did they find me so fast? Eddie’s just sitting there going, “ah, wasn’t part of your plan. Huh?” Cool as a cucumber.

Alice: Eddie does not care like he has. Oh my God. It’s, he does not care.

Bex: Does he does not give a fuck.

Ellen: He’s just had enough of this whole thing. It’s like you are a fucking idiot.

Bex: Yep. Eddie just has no fucks to give. Does not care. Um, Buck cares. Buck cares a whole lot.

Alice: Buck cares so much.

Bex: Yes, because Athena is telling him that like the TAC team have got a plan to take the ambulance and Eddie’s like, um, Buck’s. Like, “No, you can’t take the ambulance. ’cause if you take the ambulance, he’s gonna shoot Eddie. You know, we, we, there’s gotta be a better way. That does not involve Eddie getting shot.”

Ellen: He’s so worried.

Alice: He’s so worried.

Bex: So Athena explains that they, not only did they know that Mitchell was coming to this hospital, but they knew why he was coming to this hospital because he came to [01:04:00] see his son.

And then we cut to the ambulance where Mitchell had started his sob story about his son and Eddie, like whatever fucks that he had before, which were very, very few, he’s lost all of them. He’s so unimpressed as Mitchell is like sniffing in, sniffing and sniffling about, um, his son who has congenital heart failure, um, and is here at that very hospital waiting for a heart transplant.

Ellen: Actually, Eddie might’ve been like extremely unimpressed with this whole thing, but I was like, quite like, the twist was good. I was like, oh. And then I remembered that it was Mike PeIIegrino. I’m like, why are you making me, um, feel sorry for this guy?

Bex: Yeah. So the twist,

Ellen: I don’t want to,

Bex: the twist is because Eddie assumes that, uh, Mitchell has come to the hospital, that he’s gonna shoot his way through and force his kid to get, uh, get bumped to the top of the heart transplant list. Um, the twist is [01:05:00] instead that Mitchell actually wants to donate his heart to his kid and that’s the twist. And then at that point, we also see Eddie switch. Suddenly he has a lot of fucks to give.

Um, and at this point, like Ellen has, and most of the other audience is probably like, oh, I’m actually really sympathetic to Mitchell. Now I, I wanna see this heavily ending and I’m still sitting here going, I don’t give a fuck. It’s Mark PeIIegrino.

Ellen: No, I don’t, I don’t really give, like, I don’t think this guy should be allowed to give his, like, this is not the way to go about this. But he’s at the same time i’s like, oh,

Alice: he’s super weird because he’s never met this child. It’s weird. The whole thing’s so weird.

Bex: But this is also, uh, why when they were splitting up pretty boy and the kid that they kept pretty boy in the ambulance because we’re now going to have the, um, like the two fathers with sons in the ambulance together. Yeah. [01:06:00] Because, um. We are gonna play off Eddie’s desire and willingness to do anything for his son to tug on the, the heartstrings from Mitchell.

Ellen: Yep.

Bex: But before we’re gonna do that, we’re gonna torture Ravi a little bit more.

Ellen: Oh, poor Ravi, just like he’s shuffling. Okay. So he is got

Alice: poor Ravi

Ellen: a prisoner, prisoner outfit on, like he’s got the guy, the

Bex: Yes,

Ellen: he’s got Vaughn’s bloody kind of shirt on.

Bex: He, they’ve put him in Mitchell’s slash Vaughn’s prison outfit complete with bloodstains

Ellen: and he’s, he’s walking along the hallway and he looks so nervous and he just does not look like a prisoner who is rioting

Bex: No.

Ellen: At all.

Alice: Like there’s so much blood but no wounds. Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. I don’t know what he was thinking, what he was gonna do, but,

Bex: well, they,

Ellen: the prisoners spot him. [01:07:00]

Bex: Yes. The prisoners spot him and they don’t know who he is. Like they’ve never seen. They, they’ve never seen him before. They don’t think they know him. And of course they don’t know him.

Alice: Um, yeah. ’cause he’s a firefighter, not an inmate.

Bex: And he’s also walking around like he’s about to get kicked and it’s, it’s like

Alice: literally he’s expecting Buck to jump out of from around a corner with a chainsaw.

Ellen: But he, he doesn’t, like when they call out to him and say, “get back here, I’m talking to you!” And he’s just like, no. And he just keeps going.

Alice: Yeah. He just keeps walking and nothing, nothing happens from that. Yeah. They don’t follow him. I expected him to like have this like intense showdown with it, but no, he just keeps walking and they’re like, okay.

Bex: Or at at least, you know, he shakes his head and keeps walking and they start racing after him and he has to run through the door and slam it shut and then race over and, you know, but we never see any of, of that.

He just walks away and they’re, and the prisoners are just like, [01:08:00] the booze that we manage to find is apparently more important than chasing the brown kid in the, the, the prison whites. So,

Ellen: yeah.

Bex: Um, so while that’s happening, Bobby has found the dentist office and he, um, MacGyvers all of the, the nitrous tanks to one tube and then gaffer tapes the tube into the ceiling vent.

Ellen: It’s not just gaffer taping it in there. He’s like aligned it up on the wall and around like the doors and the windows with tape.

Bex: Because he’s probably thinking, you know, it’s a trip hazard, so he is gotta make sure that it’s, you know, OHS.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: OHS compliant.

Ellen: We have time for this. We’re trying to escape the prison. You don’t have time to make it all pretty.

Bex: Where did he get the gaffer tape?

Ellen: Well, I guess it must have been in the dentist’s office. Maybe he used it for fixing teeth. I don’t know.

Bex: Oh my God.

Alice: He’s like, yeah, you, your jaw [01:09:00] needs wired wiring shut. But we can’t give you wires because they’re a hazards. So I’m just gonna duct tape it

Ellen: just tape it shut. Oh my god.

Bex: Uh, so while, um, Ravi is doing a terrible job of impersonating a prisoner and, um, Bobby is, uh,

Alice: hey, Ravi is doing his best.

Bex: He is doing a great job doing his best and Bobby’s doing like home home repairs in the dentist office. Um, Hen is performing surgery, um, and does very well. That’s pretty much all we need to know about that scene.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Um,

Alice: she has like real supplies. It’s not even with dental floss or anything.

Bex: Yes. Um, Ravi gets the HVAC on, which starts pumping the laughing gas through the prison. Um, so the 118 start putting on variety of breathing equipment, whether it’s like their actual scuba gear [01:10:00] or whether it’s just one of those handheld O2 masks with a tiny little tank. And it appears to have worked because all of the inmates that Bobby passes as his makes his way back to the infirmary are as high as kites.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: They’re like holding onto the wall giggling.

Ellen: Yeah. They’re like holding onto each other. I mean, I don’t, this nitrous like, it, it makes you feel like high, like it makes you feel happy and stuff, but it doesn’t always make you laugh like it’s called laughing gas, but it’s not always, that’s, that’s not always the reaction that people have. But in this case, they all do like just fall, have to, they’re basically rolling on the floor laughing

Bex: because how else would you know that it’s laughing gas if nobody’s laughing.

Alice: Yeah. Geez, Ellen.

Ellen: And it’s, and he’s got a lot of canisters there, but would they really fill up the hallways enough?

Alice: The whole for all the whole prison?

Bex: Yeah. Can I just, can I just point out for once that it’s not me pulling the [01:11:00] episode apart,

Ellen: it’s just weird.

Alice: Bex Bex is just sitting there the whole time. Like, get back to Sassy Eddie. Get back to Sassy Eddie. And we’re just like, what? How is this

Bex: like, I, I hate Mark PeIIegrino, but I’m enjoying the fuck outta the rest of this episode.

Like sassy Eddie. I’ve got my brain switched off, so I’m just focused on him and his hair and I’m, I’m good to go. I don’t need to worry about everything else.

Ellen: His hair’s good again. He has great hair.

Bex: He’s got good hair in this episode. Yeah.

Alice: Yes he does. Yeah.

Bex: Um, so yeah, the, the prisoners are loopy and laughing and um, the 118 are able to leave the prison safely.

Alice: Stroll at the front door.

Bex: Yeah. Yeah.

Ellen: They’re not all safe yet though. Um, at the, somehow they actually get like Mitchell’s ex to the hospital.

Alice: Was she already at the hospital? Yes. I don’t remember where she was.

Ellen: Maybe she was there with her son. ’cause he was already there now.

Alice: Yeah, I just a, I just assumed she was already there

Bex: because I’m gonna assume they’re down in like [01:12:00] the emergency department sort of down on the first floor. She would’ve been up in the ICU or like cardiac unit or so something. ’cause they called. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Alice: They called her and they’re like, where are you? And then that’s how they like, found which hospital they were gonna be at and that’s how they managed to tackle Buck so quickly.

Ellen: Yeah, that makes sense.

Alice: Like, so I assumed she was already there.

Ellen: Thank, thank you. Connected all the dots in the episode that I just did not actually think about until now. Um, yeah, so Savannah is, Savannah is her name. She’s like explaining that, you know, the last time she saw him he was screaming he was gonna kill her for betraying him, blah, blah, blah. But now apparently he’s trying to save his son.

Bex: Yes, we get exposition Athena, who tells us that Mitchell has been waging a campaign to, uh, to be executed so that he can donate his heart to Nolan and,

Ellen: but death row prisoners, like, do not get,

Alice: there’s a massive plot gap here that like, [01:13:00] even Savannah’s, like, I don’t know how he found out about his son because she didn’t tell him, and then all of a sudden he’s just like, oh, I wanna save our kid. And she’s like, how do you fucking know that this kid exists, let alone is dying?

Bex: Also, Eddie says that he’s been watching him for years, but he’s been in prison for the last 18 years. So how’s he been?

Alice: Yeah, it’s fucking creepy.

Bex: How, but how has he been able to watch the kid if he’s literally been behind bars for the entirety of this kid’s life?

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Or did we find out later that his son had contacted him? Am I imagining things?

Bex: I think you’re imagining that, but we’ll get to that. I’m short towards the end. Uh, we have to, um, have a little bit of a discussion about the ethics and morality of allowing prisoners to donate their organs and why the state of California does not allow it to happen.

Alice: I just like, I’m with Buck, honestly at this point. Buck’s. Like, do do we care? Can we just kill him? Like, like why do we care here? Just shoot him and take his, I [01:14:00] don’t care. Like either shoot him and take his heart or shoot him and don’t take his heart. I don’t care. Eddie’s in the hospital, like in the ambulance.

Just fix it. Um. And Athena’s just like, oh, you know, it’s, it’s a law. We can’t, um, we can’t just do this and Buck’s like, I just do something. I don’t care. Just do something and save Eddie.

Bex: Yes. Um, the, the very real worry is that if LAPD and the SWAT team that are literally still standing, holding their guns pointed at the ambulance, I mean, yeah, they haven’t moved.

Why aren’t their arms tired by this stage? Um, that, that they do,

Ellen: that’s what the training is for. They have very strong arms for holding up the guns.

Bex: The issue is if they do take the ambulance, um, Eddie could potentially get caught in the crossfire. Which is what Eddie’s,

Alice: Eddie does not care.

Bex: No. Eddie is actually worried about that because Mitchell is like,

Alice: he is worried but it’s so funny

Bex: pacing around the ambulance, trying to find something to do, and Eddie is just like, stop [01:15:00] moving. Because if they, if the police see it’s moving, they’re gonna think something’s wrong and they’ll breach the ambulance and Mitchell’s like, so they’re gonna shoot me and Eddie’s like, they’re gonna fucking shoot me too. It’s a small space. I don’t wanna get shot again.

Yeah.

Alice: It’s like, I’d rather not get caught in the crossfire, but it’s not even like this. He’s just like, space is small. Not, not, not a lot of room for error. Yeah. I’d rather not get caught in the crossfire. Like, he is just so chill about this whole thing.

Bex: It’s, it’s a legitimate concern.

Alice: It’s, he’s not like, oh fuck, I’m gonna leave. Like, he’s like, oh, Buck’s out so Chris is look, looked after. It’s fine. Doesn’t even matter. Like, I’d rather not die, but like worse. Like it is what it is. Like, he’s so sassy. He does. It’s so funny.

Ellen: But he’s also like, sassing, like a, a basically a psychopath who has a gun. Like it’s a bad idea, but he just doesn’t, doesn’t care.

Alice: But yeah, Mitchell’s basically just like, um, “I’m trying to do one good thing here,” and Eddie goes, “You got bored in a cage and you wanted a way out.” [01:16:00] One. Supernatural.

Ellen: Yeah, he was in a cage.

Alice: Two. Two. I’m all like, we we’re gonna discuss more about this later, I’m sure, but I’m a hundred percent with Eddie with this. He got bored in a cage and he’s like, yep, cool. I’m gonna die anyway. Let’s make myself a hero on the way out.

Bex: Oh yeah.

Alice: Because he is like, I’m doing this for No, no you’re not.

Bex: Because then Eddie’s next comment is, did Nolan tell you that, um, that he wanted you to do this? Is this what he wants?

Alice: Yeah. Like, do you think this is a feel good ending for him? Like this is a hundred percent because Mitchell’s like, oh, well I’m gonna die anyway, so I’m gonna go out a hero and save this kid who’s dying, who I don’t even fucking know. Yes. Because he’s bored in a cage.

Bex: They do lose me slightly on that story. Um, that particular point in that he, um, does not want Nolan to know that it’s his heart. I feel like if it was really pushing that I want to go out a hero, he would want Nolan to [01:17:00] know that it’s his heart that he got, that he like his dad dying to save him.

Ellen: They’re trying to make

Alice: Oh, that’s only after, after Eddie’s yelled at him though.

Ellen: Yeah. Well, they’re trying to make everyone feel sorry for him.

Alice: Yeah. He was totally

Ellen: by saying that he wanted to save his kids’ life.

Alice: Yeah. He was doing full petitions and everything and then he is just like, oh, but I don’t want to want him to like, do you think that if you Google his name, it won’t come up?

Like, yeah. So it’s only after Eddie is just like, shut the fuck up. Like, this isn’t what he wants, that he’s just like, oh, okay, don’t tell him then.

Bex: And yes, Eddie literally tells him to shut up but not shut up. So that, um, because I’m sick of talking to you, it’s shut up so that I can help you.

Although I don’t know at this point what Eddie thinks he’s helping do. Is he like, shut up. I dunno what. Shut up so I can help you get your heart to your kid or shut up so that I can help you get outta this ambulance alive.

Alice: Yeah, literally Eddie just wants him to shut up.

Bex: Pretty much.

Alice: Yep. Yeah. Um, anyway, yeah, so then [01:18:00] Bobby calls to let Athena know that he’s out and fine. Um, and Bobby’s just like, oh yeah, everyone here’s fine. Dropped off the injured guy to the hospital. How’s Buck and Eddie? And Athena’s like, oh yeah, your son’s fine. Standing right here with him. Bobby’s like, yeah, cool. What about his boyfriend? And Athena’s like, ah,

Ellen: about that.

Bex: So those two, those two are exchanging looks, Bobby’s still standing by the rig going, what about Eddie?

Alice: Yeah. Like why, why’d you both get high pitched speak? Why? This is really weird.

Bex: Why is anybody saying anything? Where is Eddie? Um, Eddie

Alice: Eddie’s still yelling at Mitchell in the ambulance.

Bex: It’s, it’s slightly more, he’s, he’s slightly more, um, locked in on the conversation. He’s slightly more interested now.

Alice: Yeah. Like he’s, he’s turned in his, um, attention.

Bex: Yeah. Um, only to throw Taylor under the bus.

Alice: I know, poor Taylor! He’s just like, yeah, don’t Eddie’s like, please do not shoot me. I have Buck and I [01:19:00] have a son, but Buck’s dating this girl and she’s a reporter. Shoot her instead.

Bex: No. Eddie’s, Eddie’s alternate plan is get out of the ambulance.

Uh, my boyfriend Buck has a girlfriend who is a reporter. Um, she can do a story and we can petition the state to allow you to donate your heart. Um, at which point Mitchell goes. Yeah, but I don’t want anybody knowing that I’m doing this. And Eddie’s like, oh, for fuck’s sake. And I’m like, yeah, right there with you.

Ellen: Yeah. It’s the, with the, um, not letting anyone know about it. It’s like, didn’t you think that when you broke out of prison and hijacked an ambulance, that everyone is kind of gonna know

Alice: exactly

Ellen: what is happening here? But basically he didn’t,

Alice: Eddie’s literally rolling his eyes and so am I.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Yeah, anyway, so Mitchell goes like, he starts to talk a little bit about it. We don’t, we still don’t really know much at the end. Um, but basically Mitchell says, like, “When they sentenced me to death, the judge [01:20:00] says, I said I was the worst of the worst. And he was right. I was like my dad, who was like his dad. All of us in and outta prison our whole lives. Like it was the family business.”

Bex: So, which Ellen had a very, very visceral reaction to,

Ellen: like, don’t say those words.

Alice: Killing people, stabbing things, the family business. Um, and then he’s like, yeah, “when I found out about Nolan, I was like, great. I’ll meet him when he shows up in the cell next to me. And he is not like that though. He’s a good kid. Nothing like,”

how do you know? How do you, where you’ve never met him, how do you know. Like, is it because he turned 18 and didn’t show up in prison that he’s just like, oh, he’s, he’s so good. Like he hasn’t even been to juvie. But how do you know?

Ellen: Maybe he paid, pay someone to like, keep an eye on him.

Alice: His mother doesn’t even know how that, you know, that he was alive.

Bex: That’s the only thing I can think of is that he’s got flying monkeys on the outside that are feeding him information. But again, [01:21:00] if he’s been in solitary for so long, demons, how is he meeting these flying monkeys and how are they getting him this information?

Alice: Yeah, like did he get someone to track her because he was like, oh my God, you’re gonna regret this.

And then they were like, oh boss, she’s actually pregnant and keeps talking to herself about how you are the dad. So we know that you’re the dad. And he is like, oh, great. Like what? It doesn’t make any sense.

Bex: It doesn’t make any sense, but let’s move on anyway. ’cause otherwise we’re just gonna,

Ellen: They are allowed contact with the outside world though. Like someone could have contacted

Alice: Not when they’re in solitary.

Ellen: Yeah, but he maybe he might not have been in solitary for long. Like maybe,

Bex: maybe Look, the assumption that he’s in solitary was because of the uniform. Right? Maybe they literally just put him in a different uniform so that we would be able to tell him apart from everybody else, like in the, the rest of the episode,

Alice: no, but he like, that’s why he had his like little walk thingy. ’cause [01:22:00] that’s a solitary thing. They’re not allowed to socialize with the other prisoners.

Ellen: Yeah. Okay. He obviously, but yeah, maybe he’d just been a naughty boy,

Alice: maybe just been in contacts outside. Maybe there are still allowed visitors. I, um,

Ellen: I dunno. Yeah, maybe it doesn’t matter. Somehow he is from

Bex: hang on, but he doesn’t even

Alice: somehow Palpatine, um,

Ellen: yeah. Somehow he knows about his son.

Bex: I’m going back up to where they were reading his file. Where Elaine, where are you? Because they said something like, um, fuck. Where was that? Tear gas? No, it was still looking for Savannah. There no visitors, no pen pals.

Alice: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Bex: So how the fuck is he getting this information? It doesn’t matter. Um,

Alice: he just knows telepathically,

Bex: apparently. Um,

Ellen: It must be the demons. That’s the only rational explanation.

Alice: It’s the demons,

Bex: maybe it was bunnies. Um, anyway, sorry. Theories, demons, bunnies. It made sense in my head. Um,

Ellen: okay. [01:23:00] Basically

Bex: nobody’s a Buffy fan?

Ellen: Eddie talks him…

Bex: Eddie doesn’t even talk that much to him. Like Mitchell’s talking himself, talking to himself with Eddie, like glaring at him at intervals. And then eventually Mitchell’s like

Ellen: Eddie glares him into submission.

Bex: Yes. Eddie glares him into submission.

Ellen: Basically. He just says, okay, now we’re gonna turn yourself in. You’re gonna turn yourself in. Yeah, we’re gonna go out there. Okay. And Mitchell’s like, no.

Bex: Okay. But Mitch Eddie’s even say that. Mitchell’s just like, “Okay, I’m gonna turn myself in now. I’m gonna,”

Alice: yeah. So Mitchell does the whole, like, Eddie’s like, “oh, so you think saving him will redeem you?” And Mitchell goes, “No, but me dying in him living maybe makes the world a better place.”

And it’s like, so all of a sudden, even after you, like he, so he was arrested on a triple homicide. He has a locked juvie record. Like he’s clearly not a good person. He’s been in prison for 18 years. We just like, he’s just got better?

Bex: Five minutes with Eddie Diaz?

Alice: Like Yeah. Um, which is [01:24:00] funny ’cause that happened with Buck too,

Bex: I would also like, five minutes with Betty, with Eddie Diaz. Um,

Alice: I mean, Buck did get worse first, but, um, um, yeah, Mitchell’s like, let him open the door, let him know we’re coming out. Eddie’s like, “You mean it?” And Mitchell goes, “do you mean it what you said about helping Nolan?” And Eddie goes, “I’ll fight for him as hard as I’d fight for my own.” And it’s all like, really? But why?

Ellen: Yeah. You met this guy five minutes ago and he tried to kill you.

Alice: Like you’ve, we’ve never even seen his son. We don’t even know that his son exists at this point as an audience because we’ve seen nobody. So it’s just the theoretical 18-year-old who’s probably an idiot.

Bex: See at this point,

Alice: just because he hasn’t been caught yet.

Bex: I didn’t even realize that Nolan was 18. I thought when we’re talking about his kid, that he was like, literally a kid like Christopher’s age. Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. They don’t,

Alice: he’s been in jail for 18 years, so I’m very surprised if he has a kid.

Ellen: Anyway, they, they, they, they get out of the ambulance.

Alice: Um, and Eddie’s just like, “We’re coming out. Don’t shoot me. I’m a firefighter.” Like,

Ellen: why, why is Eddie the one open opening door?

Alice: How do they know a. [01:25:00] Um, and so then Eddie’s like, “okay, put down your gun and come on out.” Uh, and then it’s like this weird slow climb out of the ambulance.

Bex: His hands, he has not hands put his gun down, by the way,

Alice: he has not put his gun down. He stands behind Eddie. And I was like, oh, great. Now he is gonna use Eddie as a human shield. Mm-hmm. Um, and Mitchell’s like, “one more promise from you.” And Eddie’s like, oh, for fuck. Now what, what do you want? Now? I’ve given you everything. I just wanna fucking go home and go to bed. Um, and then Mitchell goes, “When he asks about the donor, he can never know it was me,” and then he shoots himself.

Um, but we don’t actually see, like he, we see him put the barrel of the gun up to his temple. We see someone yell, like drop the gun. And then it cuts to inside the hospital. And interestingly, they decide to focus on Buck here. So when the gunshot happens, you see [01:26:00] Buck like swirl around, eyes go wide, and he’s just like, oh my God, Eddie.

Bex: Yeah. And while everyone else

Alice: and just runs towards the gunshot

Bex: in, like all of the background actors are running away from the camera, away from the sound of where the gunshot is you to protect themselves. Buck is immediately running towards the sound.

Alice: Buck’s like, not again, not this time his blood’s not even in my mouth. I have to go fix that immediately.

Bex: But I mean,

Ellen: Oh, yuck

Bex: I think this is a really, this is a really good point to bring out that Andrew Meyer wrote this episode. Andrew Meyer also wrote Suspicion, which is the episode that Eddie got shot in shot. So number one, he seems to like shooting Eddie or at least Buck like, but it’s just really interesting that twice now this guy has had Buck panicking.

Alice: He just really wants to shoot Eddie.

Bex: But yeah, you definitely, there is trauma there for Buck because he, he knows that Eddie is out there. He hears a gunshot and his [01:27:00] immediate assumption is that Eddie is shot.

Alice: And so, um, so yeah, we get Buck running and he does his, my favorite part of Buck is still that like Oliver and Buck are two different people. Oliver runs like a professional because he, he is a professional runner. Like he runs properly. He’s, he’s an athlete. He has form, right? Yeah, he’s an athlete. Whenever Buck runs, every time we see Buck, run Buck runs with all four limbs in totally different places.

Bex: I would say that most of the time we see Buck run, though. He’s running in, in panic.

Alice: Yeah. Like he’s, it’s flailing, like his arms are going, his legs are going and like, it’s, it’s insane.

Bex: And Oliver is all legs. So when like his legs are going, it’s, it’s, it’s pinwheels. It’s like cartoon style. Exactly. It’s great. He’s flailing towards Eddie

Ellen: and he’s yelling for Eddie the whole time. Eddie. Eddie. Eddie.

Alice: Yeah. He’s just like, “Oh my god. Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!” And then he, and he runs up and then just stops because [01:28:00] Eddie’s fine. Eddie’s just doing CPR. Eddie’s just hanging out. And he is like, ah, oh, okay. Okay. We’re, we’re good. Okay, cool. Um, and so there’s a police officer trying to stop Eddie from doing CPR and Eddie’s like, yeah, fuck off cop.

Um, and then just turns to Buck and goes, “Hey, Buck, like, go grab me a car, crash cart and help keep, help me keep his heart pumping.” And Buck’s like, “what? What are you doing?” And he’s like, “yeah, he shot himself. The bullet hit his brain. It’s fine. We just need a crash cart.”

And Buck’s like, “Eddie, Eddie, he’s dead. Like the, the bullet hit his brain. He’s, he’s, he’s dead.” And Eddie’s like, “Yeah, but his heart isn’t. Like, I, I just need this heart to, can you just go get the crash cart?” And it Buck’s like, okay. Um, and just immediately goes and just goes, “Okay, fuck off everyone. I’ve gotta go get a crash cart. Prep an OR!”

Ellen: This is so weird. So we, so we’ve gone from like, them saying that it’s not like there’s precedent for not allowing him to use his heart and they’re not gonna get a [01:29:00] part, and, and there’s no way that they’re gonna be able to fix this to then just doing the transplant like.

Alice: Yeah. So they called the governor or something? I can’t even remember.

Bex: No.

Ellen: Do we get an explanation for what happened?

Bex: Um, Athena? Yeah, we do. So yeah, there is, Athena and Elaine have a conversation where Elaine is, um, like there’s,

Ellen: oh, this is where Athena is suddenly really concerned about the fact that yes, they have a heart and

Bex: we need Athena to be concerned.

Alice: But yeah, before that, ’cause otherwise we wouldn’t care. Which we still don’t.

Bex: Exactly.

Alice: Um, before that, Eddie like goes to hang out with the, like the

Bex: Savannah

Alice: baby mama? Yeah. Goes to talk to Savannah. Um, and he’s just like, yeah, you probably got other things in your mind. And she just starts Apol. She’s like, “yeah, I’m sorry he put you through that, but that’s him. Couldn’t do the right thing to save his life. Um, dunno what I’m gonna tell Nolan.”

And [01:30:00] Eddie goes, “oh, like about his father?” And she goes, “About me. How do I explain ever being like with a man like Mitchell?” Um, and yeah, Eddie’s like, “oh, you know, you loved him even if he wasn’t worth like,” like what? It’s so, yeah.

No one cares. Yeah. It’s um, yeah, he made bad choices, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Bullshit. Bullshit. Um, Savannah says “You don’t end up like with a man like Mitchell without making, having made a few bad choices of your own.” Eddie praises her for putting him away. She says she did it for Nolan. Savannah says, “I never wanted Nolan to be touched by any of this.” And Eddie goes, “neither did Mitchell. He was watching you for years from a distance. He saw that Nolan was a good kid. Mitchell didn’t wanna screw him up too.” How?

Bex: I’ll say that? Yeah.

Alice: It’s so weird.

Bex: I was having a good time. I was willing to look past all the plot holes, but I got to this part and I’ve just gone How,

Alice: how? Like, it would make sense if they hadn’t just [01:31:00] said that he had no visitors, no pen pals, nothing. And he’s been in like, he had no contact with the outside world.

Yeah. How have you been watching this random child that you didn’t even, how did you find out it existed? Um, and Eddie’s like, “Yeah, right before he, the last thing he said was, he could never know it was me.”

Bex: I really, I really wanted him to make like a hand gesture or something.

Alice: Like, he just hasn’t cared this whole time and he just continues to not care. Um, anyway. Yeah. So then Athena and Elena, this is where they do their whole, like, Athena’s like, “The boy’s gonna die without that heart.” Yeah.

Bex: Um,

Alice: she wants, um, let’s just let him do the surgery, figure out the rest later. And Elaine’s like, “you can’t, we can’t do that. It’s above our pay grade. We don’t make the laws.”

Um, and Athena’s like, “Okay, hang on. What does the law say? Death row in inmates?” And Elaine’s like, “Yeah, we can’t pardon him for a triple homicide, even if he’s dead.” And then they like, [01:32:00] they exposition everything except for whatever the fuck this ha like happens here.

Bex: Yeah. So Athena’s plan is to have, I’m trying to get my names right, Mitchell’s sentence, uh, commutated, which is basically a substitution.

So the, the idea is that he is on death row, so let’s take him off death row. ’cause if he’s not on death row anymore, he can donate his organs. And apparently that’s what happens. He got a sentence.

Alice: Yeah. Because then they’re just on the phone and then they high five and then

Bex: so he, they got his sentence reduced.

Alice: That’s it.

Bex: So he’s no longer on death row. It was probably gonna be like, you know, five life sentences or something instead of being on death row. Yeah. But it’s still enough for the paperwork to allow them to process, to go through with um, Mitchell being able to donate,

Ellen: it’s still a little bit of a, “somehow” [01:33:00] he was like, you know, there was,

Alice: yeah. It’s just so weird.

Ellen: It’s very strange.

Alice: And the fact that they exposition everything in this show except for whatever the fuck a commutation Yes. Is.

Bex: Well, I think they’re assuming that everyone is just like completely on board with Mitchell getting his wish and Nolan getting his heart that they’re willing to overlook.

Alice: They’re like, eh, I mean, I guess there’s a perfectly good heart just, yeah, wasting away over here. May as well cut it out.

Bex: What are we, what do, what do we always say?

Alice: Surgery’s cheap, right?

Bex: So when you’re having a good time in the episode, you don’t care about the details. So they’re assuming that everyone’s heartstrings are gonna be tugging and they’re gonna be having such an emotional connection with this episode that they’re not gonna care about the fact that nothing makes any fucking sense.

Alice: Um, literally, like I, I feel like I may have cared more if we like saw the kid a bit.

Bex: What if they, David Wallaced it a little bit more? I don’t think even that would’ve worked.

Ellen: Yeah. I don’t think

Alice: I know. Like, I don’t know anything about this kid. All I can do is take [01:34:00] Mitchell’s word for it and he’s Satan. So like, why would I take his word that this kid’s a good kid, he literally did a triple homicide. This kid might be a scumbag, but just not killed three people at the same time.

Bex: See, the only thing that I, that like the only issue that I then had is like those horror movies where you get a transplant from somebody and you start to take on their characteristics.

Alice: Oh yeah. And Sam and Dean are absolutely gonna have to come knocking because fucking Mitchell’s is going to be like haunting everything and killing people, and they’re gonna have to kill this poor kid because now he has his father’s heart in him.

Ellen: Well, that’s kind of, they’re be like, what was thinking when later

Alice: we, we have to, we have to kill this kid because your father was a murderer. And he’ll be like, what? And his mom will be like, we didn’t wanna tell you.

Ellen: Yeah. Later when, when his mom is sitting there and she like puts her hand on his heart, and I’m like,

Bex: oh, that’s fucking creepy. But then, yeah, but then also goes back to the fact that I thought Nolan was like an actual kid, and it [01:35:00] would’ve been really easy to hide who his father was. But this is like a, an adult, like he’s what, 18, 19 years old?

Alice: Like, oh, where did my new heart come from?

Bex: He, oh, he 100% knows who his father is and, and everything like that. Anyway,

Alice: yeah, it’s fucking weird. But yeah, I’m, we should probably write the fic where Sam and Dean come and have to kill this 18-year-old. Because his father’s haunting everything.

Bex: We are gonna have to take your heart out and salt and burn it because there’s a spirit attached to it and it’s possessing you through it and Exactly. Yeah. Um, so we get an extended, um, crossover with Grey’s Anatomy, where we get to see the transplant surgery, which I did not sign up for.

Ellen: No, I don’t really wanna see that either.

Alice: And I just don’t care. Um,

Ellen: and why it goes on for a long time too, because they show so long, they’re just handling this heart and passing it around. Just they.

Alice: We could have met the ch like, met the 18-year-old and found out that he was as, um, he played, what was it? The, [01:36:00] the cello?

Bex: No, this show has done extended surgical scenes, but I think the last time they really pushed the surgery was when Chim was getting the rebar taken out of his head. And it was Chim. So I had a vested interest.

Alice: And Chim, we care about Chim.

Bex: I didn’t have a vested interest in either of these people, so I don’t care about their surgery. Um,

Alice: No. A dog didn’t even come in to eat the heart, like it was boring.

Bex: Unfortunately, the 118 apparently do care about this surgery because even though

Ellen: Oh yeah, why are they there?

Bex: They’re all hanging out in the waiting room,

Ellen: is it the end of their shift or are they just like, there’s no other fires?

Alice: No, I think they’re bored,

Bex: I’m gonna say it’s the end of their shift because they, it’s gotta be kind of go home after this.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Um, but you’ve got Eddie and Buck who are still there from when they like arrived in the ambulance. But then Hen and Ravi and Bobby have joined them and Athena and those three are in civvies. So they’ve gone back to the station.

Alice: They went to the station, had a shower

Bex: logged off.

Alice: It’s just like, oh, the boys are [01:37:00] still there.

Bex: And they’ve come back to the, we’ll go back to the hospital. Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. Um, so at least Hen’s just like, yeah, I don’t care. I’ve, I’ve gotta go. Bye.

Bex: Yeah. Bobby walks in Hen’s like, “I’m out, I got class.” And the thing is like, class, what do you mean? She’s like, yeah, med school. Remember I’m still in med school and oh, by the way, I’ve chosen that.

Alice: Hen’s in med school?

Bex: I, I’ve decided that I’m gonna specialize in general surgery. Like, ma’am, not only are you in med school, but you wanna be a surgeon? What the fuck?

Alice: She actually wants to be on Grey’s Anatomy.

Bex: She really does.

Alice: She does. Just saw that, that like, you know, five minute cut of the heart transplant and she’s like, oh fuck, I wanna, I wanna see that every week.

Bex: She’s, she’s the new Christina Yang.

Alice: She wants to be, she wants to be Meredith’s person. Um, maybe she just wants to hook up with, um, Amelia. ’cause I wouldn’t blame her.

Ellen: Dr. Sexy?

Alice: It’s, um, [01:38:00] McDreamy’s sister.

Bex: Oh, I don’t know. I, I, no, out of that show way before that, I think I got to Lexi and then I was out.

Alice: Oh yeah. I’d hook up with her too, but she’s not canonically a lesbian, so,

Bex: um, so Hen is out. Um, and this is so cute. I was, when I was searching through Tumblr to try and find proof that, um, Oliver and Ryan were wearing the wrong turnouts, um, somebody had zoomed in on this waiting room scene as Hen walks out and discovered that Oliver is blowing kisses in the background as Aisha walks off set.

Alice: He’s so cute.

Ellen: They look so tired. They’ve obviously just been sitting there waiting.

Bex: What’s the other thing That’s, the other thing that’s really weird about this scene is that you’ve got Hen and Athena who are sitting [01:39:00] like reasonably close to each other. You’ve got Buck who’s man spreading out on the bench right at the back of the room with Ravi and Eddie is sitting like the other side of the room down the front.

Mm-hmm. Why have they spread everybody out?

Ellen: Apparently there’s nobody else in this hospital today, so,

Bex: I mean, let me just, cake

Ellen: May as well,

Bex: let me just cake, the clown makeup on, but why aren’t Buck and Eddie sitting together?

Alice: Yeah, yeah. Considering he like Buck just thought that Eddie was shot again. You’d think that he’d be joined at the hip.

Bex: Yes. They’ve gone through a trauma together. Maybe

Ellen: again,

Bex: again, I just, I was just looking at like everywhere, everyone was on the, in the scene sort of set in the, on the set. I’m just like, that is the weirdest placement of people. But so then Savannah comes in. Nolan is fine. Um, and they’re all like, oh, thank God we can all go home now. Um. Buck is like, I’m [01:40:00] going, I’ll see you in 48 hours. I miss you already.

Ellen: He’s just running on fumes at the moment. He’s so tired.

Bex: Eddie’s going home to see Christopher, um, Athena is going to head to the station and clock out. Um, Ravi doesn’t move.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: The poor, the poor kid is dissociating, um, in the back of the, the waiting room. Mm-hmm. Um, so Bobby says he’ll be home a little bit later. He’s, um, he’s, he might be a little bit longer ’cause he’s gotta um, deal with Probie. He takes him for coffee,

Alice: little baby Probie and Ravi’s like, I don’t wanna talk about it. And Bobby’s like, that’s okay. We can have breakfast and not talk about it together.

Bex: Yeah. Apparently the, the issue is that when you’ve gone through a traumatic situation like that, um, where it’s full of danger, full of commotion, it’s really hard to go back to a silent apartment by yourself.

So I’m gonna take you [01:41:00] somewhere where it’s still noisy and there are still lots of people and let you decompress for a little bit. So it’s probably a good thing that when Buck goes home, his apartment is not silent and he’s not alone. ’cause Taylor is there.

Alice: It’s so cute. I mean, obviously it’s Taylor, so everything that they do is cute, but like Taylor’s on the phone, like doing work things and then.

Like Buck’s, like, “oh hey, you’re still up, and, or you’re up. ’cause I guess it’s early in the morning?

Bex: Yes.

Alice: Anyway, he goes, Hey, you’re up. And she just immediately like, runs over to hug Buck because obviously she must have heard like what’s happened.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Alice: Um, he’s been lying and she’s just like, “you’re safe. I was so worried.” Buck’s like, yeah, I’m, I’m fine. I’m glad it’s over. Cried over my boyfriend a little bit. It’s fine. Um, but yeah, so Taylor says the news wasn’t clear about what started the whole thing and so Buck sort of explains [01:42:00] like it was orchestrated by the guy who wanted to break out and see his kid.

And Taylor’s like, “oh, you serious? Did it work? Did he get to see his kid?” She said, and he is like, “no.”

Bex: And that was it. That’s the entirety of the scene with, um, Buck and Taylor. I don’t know,

Alice: but it’s cute ’cause like yeah, Buck got to go home and had someone there.

Bex: Oh, that part. It was cute. It was cute. I don’t understand why Buck suddenly had to summarize the entire episode for Taylor.

Alice: Yeah. I don’t know. Who cares? Um, meanwhile Eddie gets home and doesn’t summarize the entire episode, but he, um, Chris is still asleep and so Eddie crawls into bed with him and this is like just the most dad thing. It’s so cute.

Bex: Aw. Yeah. He, he wakes Chris up and Chris is like, dad are are you okay? Because like you’re suddenly in bed with me and Eddie’s like, yeah. I’m just, I’m really glad you’re my kid. And Chris is like, you’re so fucking weird. I’m going back to sleep.

Ellen: Yeah. It’s relatable. [01:43:00] Weird.

Bex: And that’s, that’s, that’s the, that’s where we end the episode on, um, on Eddie and Chris, which is good. A nice ending.

Ellen: Yes. What have you got here on this Tumblr post?

Bex: Uh, yes. So this is something that I saw also while I was searching Tumblr for the, the infamous switching of turnouts, which maybe a Mandela effect or maybe just the mean misremembering what I’ve seen.

Um, but it is a Tumblr post from, uh, lives between pages and it says, “I never noticed before, but when Mitchell says, maybe me dying and him living, being Nolan living makes the water better place, Eddie pulls back almost recoils at it. And I bet he was hearing Buck in his head, telling him, I think it would’ve been better if I was the one who was shot.

The shooting happened, what, six months ago at this point? And then of course, that moment is followed by Buck hearing the shot and running toward it and towards Eddie thinking it’s happening again. Both of them pulling [01:44:00] back to that worst moment, Eddie hearing Buck think he’s expendable, Buck, having contend with Eddie dying out by a bullet in the middle of the street and not being able to stop it.”

So it’s the juxtaposition of Andrew’s last episode, “Suspicion” with this one.

Alice: Mm.

Ellen: Ooh, if that’s true, it’s very clever.

Alice: There’s definitely, yeah. Yes. I mean, I don’t think they’re that smart, but

Bex: No. Oh, no, no.

Alice: I like the fan fiction of it all. Uh,

Bex: it’s, it’s like Couch Theory. It’s like the writers have no idea what they’re doing, but the fans, we’ve got our red string out and we’re, you know, connecting the dots. Oh, I, that might not be there. I, um, but we’re finding in many ways,

Alice: like back to the How I Met Your Mother Podcast, um, How I Met Your Mother has had for years, this whole color theory, um, where like certain characters are in certain colors at certain points. You know, it’s very common for TV shows, but that, like, it How I Met Your Mothers is very strong and in like one of the first episodes they were like, yeah, we didn’t mean to do that.

But then we rewatched it and it [01:45:00] turns out we, I dunno, it happened, but it absolutely happened. Um, so yeah, like they don’t mean to do it, but it’s just like, yeah, it’s gonna, gonna take that as a win.

Bex: And 9-1-1’s got a color theory as well.

Alice: Yeah. That’s what I mean. Like all, every good TV show, every TV show has a, um, color theory. Um, but yeah, I just love that the creators were just like, yeah, we didn’t mean to, but cool. Go us.

Bex: So yeah, that was, that’s “Brawl in Cellblock 9-1-1”. I think. Look, I enjoyed the episode apart from Mark PeIIegrino, um, until you two ripped it to shreds,

Alice: We didn’t rip it to shreds, I’m just so confused!

Ellen: Once again, we’ve ruined it by pulling it to bits. Sorry.

Bex: I mean, I’m not entirely mad because like I said, I don’t watch this episode ’cause I don’t like watching Mark PeIIegrino. Um, but I’m like, I came into this episode going like, I really like the riot storyline and I really like this, and now I’m sitting here going, [01:46:00] actually the riot makes no fucking sense.

Um, no, and this doesn’t make sense and that doesn’t make sense. So maybe I would just,

Ellen: when I, I watched, when I watched it, I enjoyed it and I was enjoying it. Like, especially once I blocked out the Mark PeIIegrino ness of it all. But I, um, but yeah, rehashing it is kind of like, okay, this is kind of silly. But anyway,

Bex: maybe I’ll just, I’ll just focus on the buddy of this episode and of like, the,

Alice: the Buddie is great. 10 outta 10 Buddie.

Bex: The smoldering Eddie. I’ll stick with the smoldering Eddie is what this episode will be for me now.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Yeah. I’ll just keep going back after that screenshot of the, the two male model sons of bitches smoldering not at each other. Where are we? There we go. Yeah, that’s a good shot. I’ll just, that’s yeah.

Ellen: Okay. Lock it in.

Bex: Lock it in, Eddie. That was not intentional. It works. [01:47:00]

Alice: It’s okay. The, the, um, internationals won’t get it.

Bex: No. For the internationals, the joke is that the, um, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire was hosted by, um, a man named Eddie in Australia. So when you got the, I’m putting in my answer and you have to lock it in, it was often lock it in, Eddie.

Ellen: Yes. Alright, so what have we got next week? I, I assume since they, the episode’s got swapped around then um, we are going, oh my God, back to the previous.

Bex: It’s so weird because this summary is the other way around too. So this summary, so the promo summary that for, uh, Braun cell block 9-1-1, the heading of it, because I don’t know if any of our listeners have seen what the promo summary looks for, looks like, but it comes up with like a, a headline, which for, uh, “Brawl in Cellblock 9-1-1” was Bobby and the 118 are trapped in a prison riot on an all new 9-1-1 Monday, November [01:48:00] 8th on Fox.

And then you get the actual description which says, responding to a fire at a prison, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All new episode of 9-1-1 airing Monday, November 1st. And then when you get to, um, next week’s episode, which is called “Ghost Stories”, the header says that it’s airing Monday, November 1st, but the actual description says that it’s airing Monday, November 8th.

It’s so weird. Um, but sometime in November. Around the same time as “Brawl on Cell Block 9-1-1” was airing, doesn’t, I’m not entirely sure which order. Um, the members of the 118 raced to rescue a man who claims he was carjacked shot and buried alive. And then they arrive at a home where the owner thinks that her roommate is a ghost Hen receives a visit from the past, and Athena and the family are concerned that Harry is still [01:49:00] haunted by visions of Jeffrey in the all new “Ghost Stories”.

Ellen: Oh, I can feel a theme coming on.

Bex: Can you? Do you think

Alice: Yeah, I, um, I have literally zero memory of this episode. Like I, none of it rings a bell at all. You must have been so quickly

Ellen: through series five.

Alice: Apparently. I don’t remember season five at all. Um, maybe I was still just traumatized from fizzywater that I, um, blocked it out. But, um, but I was like, when I was reading the summary, I was like, didn’t we do this one already? And then I looked at what episode I thought it was and I thought it was an episode.

No, I thought it was an episode from season nine because I was like, I swear to God, we just watched this a couple months ago. Yeah, we did. It was, the episode I’m thinking of just happened. Oh, it’s season nine. It just happened in October.

Bex: I don’t remember the roommate is a ghost, but I’m sure it’ll jog my memory unless that one never happened.

Alice: I’m gonna laugh so hard [01:50:00] if that was cut out. And that’s why we’re so confused.

Bex: I mean, you can never tell what these summaries anymore. Um,

Alice: literally

Bex: Triggers for the episode “Ghost Stories” include a baby at threat. Um, CPR performed on a baby. Oh, really? Uh, child… Jesus Christ. Childhood PTSD And a child at threat.

I’m guessing that’s the, is that the same? Is the baby being a threat? Are there multiple children at threat? Um, claustrophobia from being buried alive. Um, gun violence and therapy.

Ellen: Yay. More therapy.

Bex: Hopefully it’s Athena going to therapy.

Alice: Please be Athena going to therapy.

Ellen: It’ll be like watching this episode for the first time again.

Alice: Yeah, that’s it. I get a new episode of 9-1-1 every week. It’s great. I’m starting to wonder because I feel like I was watching one of the seasons at the same time as season seven, and so I’m starting to [01:51:00] wonder if I got up to season five and then season seven restarted and I just kept wa like I was watching both at once and that’s why I’m so confused.

Ellen: Maybe. Yeah,

Alice: because it did get to a point where I was just like, I don’t even care anymore. I’m, I need to watch the new ones.

Ellen: Uh, we also got in our comment from Kiera, she was enthusing about Heated Rivalry and wanted us to come and scream at her, with her about it. And we are probably at some stage going to do some kind of a episode about that. So stay tuned.

Alice: We, we’d absolutely say it’s just for you, Kiera, but not gonna lie. We wanna do it too. So it’s, it’s just for us. And you, you are now just part of the podcast.

Ellen: Yeah. We’re adopting you. Tell us what you thought about this episode. Did you like, how do you feel about Mark PeIIegrino? No, don’t tell us that.

Did you like this episode as much as we did?

Bex: Which apparently wasn’t very much by the end of it.

Ellen: No, I, [01:52:00] I, no,

Alice: I did until I pulled the thread.

Ellen: It’s enjoyable. Yeah. It was a fun ride until, yeah, we looked too closely at it. Um, yes, send us your thoughts. Um, leave us a comment or send us an email. All of those different ways are listed on our, um, website, thatweewooshow.com.

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Alice: So I like, I was literally like my, so my, my room was so hot, I felt like shit. I was just lying in front of the fan, like dying. Um, and so I was lying down watching the episode and that last like as soon as, pretty much as soon as they got into the club, it was so intense I sat up to pay attention.

Bex: Oh, the club scene was amazing

Alice: ’cause I was like, holy shit. Like the song choice was amazing. The whole like, holy shit. And then I didn’t get the weird, because I obviously haven’t read the books yet. Um, I just haven’t had time ’cause I absolutely plan to, um, but. I didn’t get the weird ADR thing that you

Bex: Oh, that was early.

Alice: Got either.

Bex: That was earlier in the episode.

Alice: Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I know that when that was. But yeah, I, I didn’t get that at all.

Bex: I went back and watched, watched that [01:54:00] scene. Um, which Ellen, it’s the, the one where they’re, they’re fucking on the couch and

Alice: when they first name each other.

Ellen: Oh yeah.

Bex: And Ilya accidentally calls him Shane. And so Shane responds with Ilya and the, when I first watched it, the audio felt so off that I initially thought that Shane was actually the one that said Shane.

’cause it did not sound like Connor. Um, so I thought it was like, you know, one of the, which was really weird because in the books, it, it happened, like it happened on the screen. It was an accident Ilya calling him Shane, and then Shane responded. Um, but I went back and I watched it today. I thought it was ADR because they didn’t have, like, their mouths didn’t move.

Um, I realized now it’s possible to say both Ilya and Shane without actually moving your lips. You can kind of, you can kind of mumble both names without actually moving your mouth. I still, just from the sound quality, [01:55:00] I still think it was ADR and it just, it felt really weird in the moment. Um,

Alice: yeah, I didn’t have the weird disconnect.

Bex: That’s, but um, yeah, that’s just me.

Ellen: It sounded, it was cool. It made me sit up and notice that part as well. I was like, Ooh, they said the name. Yeah.

Alice: Yeah, right. I was like, oh. Um, but yeah, no, the club said, like, I was sitting up like, holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit. ’cause like, it’s just so intense. Mm. And then, um, yeah, one of my friends in the other server was like, because we were discussing it and he was also obsessed with like, the end scene.

Yeah. ’cause they were actually talking about hockey before I watched it. I came in like two hours later and I’m like, I have no fucking idea about actual hockey. Um, but I just finished episode four and the whole end of that episode was so intense. Holy fuck. And he goes, I know when the penny dropped, that Ilya in the shower was what Shane was imagining to get through sex with Rose.

I went wild. And I was like, oh my God.

Bex: No, I didn’t even. [01:56:00]

Ellen: I thought that was what was happening.

Alice: I look, I, because I was like, I’m watching it, and I’m just like, he, he would’ve gone home with the woman, surely like, why is he, and Yeah, that makes so much more sense. And I’m like, oh my God. No.

Bex: No. See, I don’t think he would’ve though, because in the books, it’s quite well established that he stopped sleeping around once he starts sleeping with Shane.

So he was using the chick in the club to make Shane jealous, and then he went home alone. Um, so I’m okay with him going home alone because from the books, it’s canon that he just, he becomes monogamous for Shane, um, even though Shane doesn’t know it, but. I, I’m gonna have to go back and read, read the books because I do think at one point it was written in that yes, he was thinking about Ilya to get through sex with Rose.

And if that’s what was happening in that scene, then oh my God,

Alice: that’s definitely what it seemed like. Like as soon as he said it, I was like, holy fuck. [01:57:00]

Bex: I will say though, but like once we got to um, Ilya in the shower and he turns around and it’s just like really intense closeups on their faces. I had to stop watching. Um, because those

Alice: Bex is too, too autistic for eye contact you guys.

Bex: No, it’s not the eye contact. It’s those men are 20 years old. I am just incredibly uncomfortable watching 20-year-old children fake coming, looking me dead in the eye as they’re doing it. I’m just like, no, that’s, that’s so wrong,

Ellen: it’s is a bit much sometimes

Alice: it’s be hard for you Bex ’cause you get to you, you are getting to a point now when you’re like, oh, they’re closer to my children’s age than mine.

Bex: Oh no. Like my kids are

Ellen: No, no, they’re older than that.

Bex: No, it’s not that. I, I mean, yes, I am still old enough to have theoretically been their mother. It’s just more that

Alice: Yeah, exactly.

Bex: Like I’m looking at them going, they’re 20 years younger than me. This seems wrong [01:58:00] to be like staring at Connor’s ass at this point. And I really, I don’t need to know what Connor’s o face looks like. I just, I don’t, it’s wrong. Well, not Connor’s o face Ilya’s o face. Although I’m, I’m gonna go slightly disgusting for a second, but I wanna know if, like, the grabbing of his ass when he’s jerking himself off, is that what Connor does?

Or is that what Ilya, does

Alice: It’s what Hollander imagines

Bex: Ilya does.

Alice: Ilya does, yeah.

Bex: Oh my God. But yeah, the, the, the club scene, I just, I love that the fact that it starts with, um, when it’s Ilya, it’s tATu doing “All The Things She Said”, and then when we switch over to Shane, it becomes the cover version of

Alice: Yes.

Bex: “All The Things She Said”.

Ellen: Yeah. It was really well done. Like very effective.

Bex: You know, the other thing I noticed in the episode that I thought was really clever, like in the beginning [01:59:00] when it’s just the two of them training and they’re texting backwards and forwards, and it covers a span of two years, um, the technology changed. So you can see the, the earbuds that they’re using and the headband, the, the,

Alice: oh, that’s cute.

Bex: The headphones that they’re using and the style of texting that comes up on the screen changes as technology got better over those two years.

Alice: Oh, I love when they do things like that.

Bex: No, that’s, that’s so cool.

Alice: I was again, half asleep dying. So, but, um. But yeah, that’s so cool. It wasn’t that I wasn’t paying a, it was that I wasn’t paying attention to the new one, like the very tiny details.

Bex: Like I said, I’ve gotta focus on other things so I’m not focusing on them so much.

Alice: Can’t watch his ass. Can’t watch his ass Can’t. Oh Earbuds. That’s nice.

Bex: It’s a very nice ass. But yeah.

Alice: Oh God. I try not to think about it. ’cause this fucking whole love saga of theirs has to be going for like 12 years at this point. And we’re only on episode four. Yeah. So they’re [02:00:00] probably like 86

Bex: So the thing is that in the books they met when they’re teenagers, so they’re still, even though it’s been like 20 years, they’re still,

Alice: they’re still teenagers.

Bex: No, but like it’s, it’s

Alice: being 17 does feel that long sometimes.

Bex: They’re still still in their early, they’re still in their, like their twenties. They’re not old. But this point, because they met in the books when they were so young. I know they had to age them up for the, the TV series. ’cause nobody wants to watch 17 year olds getting on.

You know, I know Crave is quite happy to do the soft porn, but I don’t, I think they draw the line at like, um.

Alice: Uh, teenagers.

Bex: Yeah, teenagers. ’cause that’s gonna be, you know, be breaking the law for everybody. Um,

Alice: it is kind of funny that they, like, it just keeps flicking through the years. And they do not age at all. Yes.

Ellen: Yeah. They, they didn’t even try.

Alice: They’re just constantly 21 years old.

Ellen: Yeah. I found that strange.

Alice: Like they, they were 21 in like 2009. We’re now up to like [02:01:00] 2015 and they’re still 21. It’s like, okay,

Bex: they’ve just got really good genetics. They just don’t age.

Alice: Mm-hmm. But yeah. Holy fuck.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: And so please don’t spoil anything.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: But do you have a general idea of where season one is going to, like the story of season one is going to go,

Bex: I’m assuming that it will end at the end of Heated Rivalry

Alice: because they’ve just been picked, picked up for book, uh, for season two.

Bex: So I’m assuming season two.

Alice: And so I’m like, are they doing book?

Bex: I’m assuming season two would be the other characters plus The Long Game. ’cause what’s really interesting is that you go from, um, Heated Rivalry and then the next two books are other hockey players. But Ilya is like in those books. And then you get to The Long Game [02:02:00] and you get Ilya’s perspective of those books. Plus,

Alice: I’ve gotta laugh about the fact that in this universe, like all the hockey players are gay.

Bex: It’s a little, it’s a little bit hard to believe when you go from like the, the NHL is the most homophobic, um,

Alice: yeah

Bex: sporting event. And then you read these books and you’re like, are they just all secretly gay?

Ellen: Aren’t all the women hockey players gay? Like,

Bex: that’s, that’s different.

Alice: Like, yeah. Um, but yeah, it’s just funny that like all of the, all of the hockey players in this universe are closeted and gay, like all of them. There seems to be so many characters in this

Bex: until they meet Ilya and like Ilya is just like the gay fairy godmother and just drags them all outta the closet behind him like little ducklings.

Alice: Oh, he’s like, you think you have it tough? In Russia?

Bex: In Russia. [02:03:00] But I also find it interesting that like Ilya is book two. So book one is Scott and Kip and usually when they do these like romance series, the characters from Book one are the, um like the nucleus exciting one. Yeah, they’re the ones that collect all the other characters. They’re the ones that flow through.

And so if you’re interested in those characters, you read the second and the third and the fourth book to see those characters do cameos. But in this one, Rachel’s gone, yeah, I’m not even interested in Scott. We’re gonna leave Scott in book one. It’s gonna be Ilya that’s gonna be,

Alice: I don’t wanna play with you anymore,

Bex: Ilya’s gonna be the one that’s gonna connect all of the books together. Like Scott shows up, but he’s really just not that interesting. Um, yeah,

Alice: he’s just too like too straight white man. Yes. Even though he’s gay,

Bex: he’s just too old. He’s too boring. He’s too like yeah.

Alice: But yeah, so there is like, ’cause I know there’s a whole bunch of books, but um, but yeah, like I was like are they just gonna be doing these two for season two? [02:04:00] Is it gonna be expanded? Like, ’cause obviously they just did Kip and

Bex: well they’ve gotta finish, they’ve gotta finish Kip and Scott Storyline, which I’m assuming will be at the rest of, will be included in the rest of season one. ’cause their storyline is important for Shane and Ilya. Um, okay. But then they name dropped another character in episode four, um, and he has his own book.

So I’m wondering if the fact that they name dropped him specifically is as an introduction to him so that we will meet him next season and we will see his storyline.

Alice: Yeah. Cool. Interesting.

Ellen: Mm.

Alice: Um, also Instagram like yesterday was like, oh, if you like Heated Rivalry, you’ll like, and it just kept showing me hockey books, like hockey and I was like, I, no, no, no.

Ellen: I really don’t care about hockey.

Alice: I don’t care that much about the, the [02:05:00] setting. Like, I, I’m not, I don’t care about the hockey.

Bex: That’s the funny thing about hated, like the Game Changer series, is that it’s like a hockey romance, but there’s no hockey in it. Like, we see more hockey on the TV series than we do in the books.

Alice: Yeah. It’s funny when stuff like that happens. ’cause it’s just like, why did you even, why, why choose this universe?

Bex: I’m assuming it’s because

Ellen: Well, people just write what, you know, what they know.

Bex: Yeah. Like, she’s Canadian. It’s funny, Rachel Reed is Canadian. She grew up in hockey and I think it’s, it’s like the, the taboo relationship because the NHL is so homophobic and it’s, yeah.

Alice: It’s like, um, it’s like For All You Young Hockey Players Pay Attention.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Yes,

Bex: yes. Very much so.

Alice: It’s like, yeah, there’s still none that are out. Yeah. Like, it’s still super homophobic.

Bex: So it’s the, the excitement of having this secret relationship, um,

Alice: makes it a really good setting. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Heated Rivalry. Good [02:06:00] times.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. I’m enjoying it.

Bex: I’m a little bit annoyed with the casting of Rose, though. Because that’s, it’s kind of not how I pictured the cast. I pictured Rose in my head, and then the fact that I’ve known

Alice: Oh, the cast. Yeah, that’s right. You were saying something about that.

Bex: Yeah, so she is the, she’s from Yellow Jackets. She was like, so Yellow Jackets, um, had young and old versions of the same character. And so the, the main character was Shauna played by Melanie Linsky, and Sophie Nélisse was the young Shauna. And so she’s, she’s got a very, very definite sort of, um, place in my mind as young Shauna.

So she shows up on this show and I’m going, yeah, that’s, that’s not Rose. That’s Shauna.

Alice: That’s so funny because Melanie plays a character named Rose on Two and a Half Men. And so my brain just like stuttered for a second there.

Bex: I just, I don’t think, I don’t know. I got the, in the image in the book that Rose was like this, you [02:07:00] know, beautiful, exotic, um, supermodel esque actress.

I don’t think that’s who the casting is on the show, but that’s just, that’s just me with my, um, visions of a character not being like the casting director, not agreeing with my vision. So that’s fine. But yeah,

Alice: I guess it’s finding someone the right age and the right, like

Bex: yeah. It’s just, I wish, like I, I don’t care about Rose anyway, and. But I wish I’d cared a little bit more about her. And I don’t, because of the casting, like, I’m quite happy for the storyline to, to reach its ultimate ending.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Alice: Oh my God. Rose and… Rose and, um, Hollander are gonna break up? No

Ellen: spoilers.

Alice: Yeah. I said no spoilers, Bex. Jesus.

Bex: That’s your interpretation of my words. My words. I did not actually say that. You are putting words in my mouth.

Alice: Seriously. This like episode four though. So [02:08:00] much Dean Winchester Beat Sheet.

Ellen: What?

Alice: Like Shane having to get drunk to talk to the girl, but being totally sober and domestic with Ilya, like, oh my god.

Bex: Can we, can we talk about the ginger beer?

Ellen: Oh yeah. The ginger. Yeah. Ginger beer.

Alice: Yeah. What’s with the ginger ale?

Ellen: What’s the deal with that? Right. But he drinks, he drinks ginger beer with, with Ilya at his place.

Bex: Yeah. But so look, so the first part is that Ilya gives him a ginger beer without Shane ever having to ask for it. He’s like, “I’m going to make you tuna melt and I’m going to give you drink and I’m giving you ginger beer.”

He, Shane has never told him that he likes ginger beer. Ilya just knows that he likes ginger beer. But it’s also that all throughout the episode, Shane keeps asking for ginger beer. He asks for it at the restaurant, and they can’t give a ginger beer

Ellen: and they don’t have it.

Bex: He asks for it at the bar and he gets a beer.

Instead, he goes to Elia’s. Um. And the one place that he can get the ginger beer that he wants is at [02:09:00] Ilya’s

Alice: Oh, mm-hmm.

Ellen: Yeah. I picked up on that. I’m like, no one’s got that ginger beer. Only one person. Yeah. And then af when he leaves after like they first name each other and I’m like, no, don’t freak out baby. It’s gonna be okay.

Alice: It’ll be okay.

Ellen: It’ll be okay. But no, then he goes and freaks out.

Alice: That’s too domestic.

Ellen: Yeah,

Bex: far too domestic. Yeah.

Ellen: Anyway, yeah. I’m like, maybe I not quite halfway through book one at the moment I’m like kind, kind of speed reading it because it’s like,

Bex: it’s boring.

Ellen: I don’t really care about Scott. Like they’re very cute and everything. But eh,

Alice: they’re, I went straight to Heated Rivalry and then was just like, actually I should probably finish Dean Winchester Beat Sheet first. So

Bex: they are, they are, they are cute, but they are like cookie cutter romance

Alice: lesbians.

Ellen: Yeah, they’re very vanilla.

Bex: I [02:10:00] like the, just the pine of Shane and Ilya just like years

Alice: need some angst.

Ellen: And the other thing with it is, is that, um, they are very, um, like it feels very fanficcy, like the smart is kind of like, not the best. It’s, it’s, it’s great. It’s hot, but it’s like I’m reading it going, oh. Yeah, it’s fan fiction.

Bex: So did you see, like there was that revelation that it was Stuckey fan fiction. Did you see the net, the update to that though?

Ellen: No.

Bex: So the update was that, like Rachel admitted that yes, it was posted on ao3, but the update was that she didn’t know that you or didn’t think that you could post original fiction on ao3. So she wrote Game Changer as original fiction, added the serial numbers by turning it into Stuckey, posted it on ao3, got her feedback, and then filed the serial numbers back off.

Ellen: What? What? [02:11:00] Wait, what? So what? She said she wrote it as original fiction and then turned into Yes. Fanfic. Yes.

Bex: Yep. And then turned it into Stuckey, then posted on ao3 ’cause she thought it was for Fandom Works only.

Ellen: Oh God. That’s kind of inspired, but also like a bit of a psycho thing to do. That’s a lot of trouble to go to.

Bex: So, so it’s like, the irony is that we’re all saying like, yeah, it’s so fanfic and she’s like, actually I, I wrote that as my first book. It was like original characters. Um,

Ellen: okay.

Bex: That’s why it worked as a Stuckey fanfic. ’cause apparently your writing is just naturally fanfic-esque.

Ellen: Yeah. You just naturally write fan fiction.

Alice: I just love that. Like, fanfic used to be like this underground thing. Like you’d say you’d read fanfic and people would be like, Ugh. And like, I never told, like, people that I knew IRL, that like I wrote fanfic or read fanfic, like it was just the little corner of the internet that I hid away in. Right?

Mm-hmm. And now [02:12:00] it’s like just been renewed for season two. It’s just like, obviously this is like, it’s technically, it’s fanfic adjacent, I guess. Yeah. But like, you know, it’s like, it’s like the silly little gay fanfic is like Crave are like Yeah. It’s our number one, like number one most, um, most growing like thing.

Um, it’s on the HBO like main page, like at the top of their list all the time.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: I think they’re probably happy it’s just it wasn’t Dramione or, um, or it wasn’t a fucking Reylo fic.

Alice: Yeah. This time it wasn’t Reylo but yeah, it’s just like, man, like remember when we were ostracized and now like, well

Bex: that’s because of, who was it? Anne Rice? Anne Rice had put the fear of God into everybody, but now she’s dead. And so everyone’s just, okay, cool.

Alice: No one cares. Yeah.

Bex: Fanfic’s fine. No one’s gonna sell it.

Ellen: And now we can still do it.

Alice: And like, it, it’s also ’cause like the networks and [02:13:00] stuff, they’ve realized how much of an impact it has. Like it’s in, in a good way.

Bex: Oh, It’s because you’ve got your, your inbuilt audience. Yeah. Because if you, you’ve either got the people who read the fanfic originally, or you can leak that oh, this used to be insert fandom ship here, and that entire fandom will come racing over to see what it is.

Alice: Oh, yeah, that’s, yeah.