5.17: Hero Complex

Welcome to That Weewoo Show: a podcast where Bex, Alice and Ellen watch and discuss every episode of ABC’s TV show, 9-1-1.

In this episode we discuss episode 17 of the fifth season of 9-1-1, titled “Hero Complex”.

After a mysterious death, Hen and Chimney put their lives in danger when they suspect that someone is playing God to make themselves look like a hero. Eddie visits Texas, where he attempts to reconcile with his father.

Content warnings for episode 5.17:

children at threat, child doing CPR, heart attack while driving, kidnapping, needles, non-consensual drugging slash drug use, spider webs, unethical journalism.

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Episode Transcript

Maddie: [00:00:00] 9-1-1. What’s your emergency?

Ellen: Welcome back to That Weewoo Show, a podcast where we watch and discuss episodes of the A B C show, 9-1-1. I’m Ellen.

Alice: I’m Alice,

Bex: and I’m Bex.

Ellen: And as we say every week, thank you so much to everyone who’s been listening to our season five episodes and sharing our social media posts and leaving comments. Thank you so much for doing that.

Uh, we are coming up towards the end of season five. Um, but before we talk about this episode, um, oh, oh, we need to, we were way too busy last week talking about last week’s episode that we forgot to mention that it’s actually been two years since we started doing this podcast. Can you believe that?

Alice: Yeah. Happy two year anniversary [00:01:00] guys!

Ellen: Yeah. Happy two years. Amazing. And we’ve, we’ve done, we are almost actually up to 100 episodes of the podcast as well.

Bex: Oh my God, really?

Ellen: So

Alice: that’s crazy.

Bex: Wow.

Ellen: I think, I think we’re in the eighties at the moment, so we’re, we’re coming up on it probably in the middle of season six when we get there, but

Alice: Wow.

Ellen: Um, yeah, two whole years. Good job. Us, pat myself in the back there.

Alice: Yeah,

Bex: it does not seem like two years.

Alice: It doesn’t at all.

Ellen: I know. Alright, let’s get on with season five then. So Alice, you wanna remind us what happened last week?

Alice: Yeah, last week on 9-1-1, the dispatch center burnt down. Uh, Bobby saved May.

Chimney saved. Albert Eddie rediscovered his love of firefighting and Claudette mysteriously died on the way to hospital under Monday’s supervision. I don’t like Mondays.

Ellen: Dun dun dun!

Bex: Uh, this week we are going to pick up that, uh, that last [00:02:00] thread that, um, Alice mentioned in her summary because the summary says, after a mysterious death, Hen and Chimney put their lives in danger when they suspect that someone is playing God to make themselves look like a hero. Meanwhile, Eddie visits Texas where he attempts to reconcile with his father.

And our triggers for this week include children at threat, child doing CPR, uh, heart attack while driving. That’s all one, uh, emergency, uh, kidnapping, needles, non-consensual drugging slash drug use. Very, very quick reference to spiders, webs, and then unethical journalism, which hmm. Is it? We can discuss that later.

Ellen: We’ll get to that. Yeah.

Alice: Um, unrelated, I’m wearing my, I support Women’s Rights and Wrongs t-shirt. [00:03:00] Um,

Ellen: oh, that is absolutely related.

Bex: Well, I wonder why you’re wearing that this week.

Alice: Dunno. Um,

Ellen: yeah,

Alice: mystery.

Ellen: And I guess we’ll find out as we go through, but there is, this is another one of those episodes where the theme is really like smacking you in the face the entire time.

Bex: Pretty much. Yeah.

Ellen: Because it is called “Hero Complex”.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: Um, so before we get started, we will just mention that we’re come, we are coming up to the end of season five. This is the second last episode, and next week we’ll be, um, discussing the finale. So if anyone has any feedback or comments about season five that they’d like to send us to include in our wrap up episode, now is the time.

Like we probably have when this, um, episode is published and between when we, between now and when we actually record [00:04:00] the wrap up episode, will probably only be like less than a week. So, um, if you are hearing this now and you have things to send us about season five, please do it right away. Um, otherwise we may end up running out of time for that, but. That’s if the next few weeks go according to plan, because sometimes it doesn’t,

Alice: which rarely happens, you know?

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Even if you miss the window, send your thoughts in. Anyway. We always love what you think and this is your chance to give us your feedback on season five of the show and or season five of the podcast and overall. Um, tell us what you liked about season five, what you didn’t like about season five, your favorites, episodes, favorite characters, and uh, your suggestions for our seasonal Fuck Marry Kill game.

Alice: Yes.

Bex: Which unfortunately this season will include Jonah. I’m very sorry.

Alice: I was gonna say, yeah, it’s gotta include Monday.

Ellen: Well, I think we know which one he’s gonna be [00:05:00] after, after this episode. Yeah. Anyway, we will, let’s go straight to what Jonah’s up to. I didn’t realize this was, this was Jonah, this kid until the reveal at the end kind of thing. I was like,

Bex: no, but I think that’s,

Ellen: oh, who’s this nice little boy?

Bex: I think that’s the point. We are meant to think that it’s an ordinary emergency and we’re expecting the 118 to rock up when the bus crashes and instead it’s this, this child who steps up.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: Um, although I think having come off last week’s episode, it is kind of, you can kind of guess that it is Jonah. I think it’s really interesting that we start the episode with this little flashback, because it puts the audience in a situation where we know more than the characters. And I wonder how the episode would’ve played out if we didn’t get this little clip until after Hen revealed[00:06:00]

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: That Jonah had a childhood, uh, which Jonah was a childhood hero, and then we actually see this play out. It’s an interesting narrative choice to put it at the beginning of the episode. And I wonder why they chose to do it like this just from a like story construction perspective.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. That is interesting.

Alice: I guess so. We like quotation marks, understood him straight away. But yeah, it’s interesting.

Ellen: I mean, it does kind of give away the whole thing.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Like right up front.

Bex: I thought the kid that played baby Jonah was young Sheldon for a few minutes.

Ellen: I did too!

Bex: Until I looked it up.

Ellen: Yeah, I did exactly the same thing. I’m like, is that him? It just had that

Bex: It’s not,

Ellen: I dunno if it

Bex: Yeah, just

Ellen: the open-eyed kind of, um,

Bex: yes.

Ellen: Precociousness, you know.

Bex: Yes. Okay, good. I’m glad it wasn’t just me then.

Ellen: No, I, I dead set thought it was like a, a younger version.

Bex: A younger, young Sheldon. Yeah. [00:07:00]

Ellen: Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it would’ve been around around the right age, right? ’cause that was only filmed. This is only a few years ago.

Bex: 2022, I think.

Ellen: Alright. So young Sheldon not, um, is going to school, he’s going to the STEM Academy, which is even more like, feels a bit more Sheldon. Yes.

Bex: So not only is he a child hero, he, he’s also incredibly intelligent in his own regard.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Alice: Allegedly,

Ellen: well, if he got into this fancy school, then, I guess

Alice: Yeah. But all the other kids seem to be assholes and not so smart. So

Bex: you can be smart and be an asshole. In fact, I would argue that at this age, if you are incredibly precocious, you are probably gonna be an asshole.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: True.

Ellen: Some Green Day starts playing and, and I’m like, wow, they splashed out for the music this week. And then it [00:08:00] turns out that it’s what, like he’s listening to young Jonah is listening to it on his headphones.

Bex: Yeah. Which made me for like one second think that we’d flashed all the way back to the nineties. But no, he’s just retro and listening to Green Day, even though it’s early two thousands.

Ellen: Oh, isn’t that. Oh no, the nineties. Yeah.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: I’m just trying to remember when, how long ago was my adolescence? Long ago. Yeah. And he’s drawing, um, a sketch of like some guy getting his head chopped off, which is delightful. But, you know, kids that age are a bit weird anyway, so, okay.

Bex: Yeah. Apparently it is a drawing of the French Revolution, and it is specifically of a guy being beheaded with a guillotine.

So it, it’s interesting because it, um, it’s like [00:09:00] smart drawing. So he’s not just drawing people being killed, it’s people being killed. But it’s stuff that he’s probably learning at school and he’s knowing, he learn, he knows the correct, the correct like use for the guillotine and how to pronounce it, but it also sets him, um, up as a bit of a weirdo because there’s this cute girl that got on the bus and she’s trying to strike up a conversation with him.

Uh, but when he starts talking about guillotines and the fact that. Sometimes when you decapitate somebody, it happens so fast that the body takes a few seconds to catch up and continues to move. Yeah. She’s like, it’s fucking creepy. Okay. That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s too much for like seven o’clock in the morning.

Ellen: Like red flag,

Bex: big red flag. Interesting. Like,

Alice: child, I am not even allowed to drink coffee yet. Like, what’re you doing?

Ellen: And after, after he said, he was explaining that, I’m like, oh my God, is someone going to be decapitated and their body flailing around? Like, what the hell is happening here? [00:10:00] But no, the bus drives off and um, instead of that, the bus driver starts having a heart attack.

Bex: The bus driver looks like he is two seconds away from death anyway. It’s like the oldest bus driver known to man. He is probably, um, he’s been around as long as buses have been around, so it’s not surprising that, you know, his heart gives out. Um,

Alice: the bus driver really should learn how to step on the brake when he is not feeling well. But no, he just keeps driving while not feeling well,

Bex: I feel. Yeah, we get the, like clutching at the chest, clutching at the arm. He, uh, slams his foot on the accelerator just to make it more fun. Sideswipes cars almost crashes into a delivery van before hurtling straight into a pergola in the middle of a public park.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. And it doesn’t look like any of the kids are hurt.

Bex: Yeah. Despite the fact that the driver has his seatbelt on, he somehow manages to get thrown out of his seat and land in [00:11:00] the aisle of the bus.

Ellen: Wow. That’s, uh, unfortunate.

Bex: Um, well, they need him on the ground so that the kid can do CPR. I don’t think the kids would be smart enough.

Ellen: Well, he could taken his seatbelt off and like flailed onto the ground, like

Bex: No, but like

Ellen: I feel like this is continuity problem here.

Bex: Literal seatbelt is that… it’s continuity. One minute the seatbelt. One second. The seatbelt is there. They cut away. They cut back and he’s flying across the bus and like

Ellen: Right.

Bex: Okay. Maybe you should just not have put the seatbelt on him to start with.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: The kids are wondering if he’s dead.

Bex: Most of the kids have just bailed out the back of the, um, school bus. Except for our, uh, French Revolutionist and his cute, the, the girl that he’s got his eye on who go against the flow of traffic to come up to the bus driver. And the boy says, I think he’s having a heart attack [00:12:00] and orders one of the other kids to call 9-1-1 and then starts doing chest compressions.

Alice: Yeah, he’s very good.

Ellen: He takes charge, you know,

Alice: he, he is better than season one Buck

Bex: at compressions?

Alice: Yeah. Remember season one Buck was like double time and we’re like, what the fuck is he doing?

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: At least Jonah knows how to count.

Ellen: Yeah. And then as soon as “I’m Holding Out For a Hero” starts to play, I’m like, oh, this is Jonah, isn’t it? Like she’s, the girl is like, “He’s alive. You saved him.”

Bex: Yes. ’cause the boy’s CPR was, um, effective, um, enough that not only did he keep the, the blood flowing until paramedics got there, but he managed to wake the bus driver up before paramedics got there.

Alice: Yeah. Managed to wake him up from a heart attack. It’s pretty,

Bex: yeah.

Alice: Impressive.

Ellen: What a hero.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And so we get [00:13:00] rather, so the, this kid gets, goes from being like the weird kid who everybody sort of looks sideways at to being lauded as a hero. Like he comes to the back of the bus and all of the kids start clapping and cheering.

He gets a pat on the back from the paramedic and he kind of looks stunned because I don’t think he’s ever had this level of attention before.

Alice: No. It’s very much like one of those Reddit stories that’s like, and then they all clapped at the end. Like I’m like, is this just his memory of it or is this actually what happened?

Ellen: Yeah, this really happened? Yeah. We, maybe this is from Jonah’s point of view and he just remembers that everyone clapped on the school bus, but it didn’t

Bex: Oh, that

Ellen: actually happen that way.

Bex: That’s interesting.

Ellen: Because we do at the end of this, we do flash directly to Jonah, like, you know, being a hero in the future. So,

Bex: yeah.

Ellen: But I mean, he did get given the keys to the city.

Bex: Yeah. So, I mean, you can’t dispute the, the fact that he did a interview on, like, he did a on-camera interview [00:14:00] with the local news, um, about it. Um, he obviously did print interviews as well. He got given the key of the city, so that’s sort of indisputable.

But yeah, the, the coming outta the back of the bus and everybody applauding. Maybe that is just what Jonah thought happened. But yeah, so we go through this entire montage and we don’t definitively find out that it is Jonah until we see the kid being given the key to the city and a giant check for $50,000 for like college fund and it has the name “Jonah Greenway” written across the plaque and the check.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And interestingly, every single time we see Jonah being interviewed, being applauded, like the smile on his face gets bigger and bigger and vigorous. He’s just lapping up all the attention.

Ellen: Yeah. He loves it. Yeah.

Bex: Um, and the last one that we see sort of young Jonah is he’s being presented the check, and it’s in front of press. So there’s [00:15:00] cameras and there’s flashes going off. And they use the flash to transition from young Jonah to current Jonah who is still having his photo taken, except this time it’s selfies with a bunch of hot women, um, who are fawning over him. Um, and sort of they’re asking him like, what’s it like being a hero?

He’s just like, it’s freaking awesome.

Alice: It’s funny ’cause like that, like, we haven’t seen that much of Jonah, but we’ve seen a bit and like none of it has seemed like that.

Ellen: No, no. This is the first time he’s really, he’s been like this. Really?

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Like he’s been quite self-assured and everything, but he hasn’t been a complete asshole until, um, this episode.

Mm. But anyway, maybe we just didn’t see enough of him to get that

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Get that side of him.

Bex: I think that’s the idea that he’s been, for want of a better term, he’s like been masking [00:16:00] throughout the, all of the episodes that we’ve seen. Like there’s been little glimmers of this personality poking through, but now that we as the audience know kind of what he’s done and what he, where he’s come from, we’re seeing him in his full glory.

Ellen: Yeah. Like before you felt a bit sorry for him because he just, he wanted him to like him and she just didn’t. Um, but it does, by the end of this episode, it does feel a little bit like, oh, I don’t know how to describe it. It’s like when someone has a hunch in, in a story and it turns out to be correct, and you’re like, oh, really?

Did you, you know, that, I don’t know. It’s, it’s a narrative like construct that I don’t always appreciate. But anyway, in this case it works pretty well.

Bex: Yeah. So Jonah and his awesomeness as a hero take us to the title card. When we come into the episode again. It is after [00:17:00] Claudette’s funeral and we see, um, Athena, Bobby, and May returning home.

Alice: Yeah. May’s feeling very weird about it. Like, Athena’s offering tea, Bobby’s trying to get May to eat because she didn’t eat anything at the reception. May’s like, yeah, it just feels weird eating at Claudette’s house and yeah.

May’s like, you know, “it was my first time going to her house, meeting her family. Um, I’m not sure if she’d ever talked about them.” And I, it, it’s gotta be weird for May because she like has just seen Claudette as this bully that, you know, made her work life hell. And like she had a husband, she had kids.

She had a whole family and May’s kind of blaming herself a bit there. She’s like, you know, “if I hadn’t got into that argument with her…” and Athena’s like, “no, no, like you didn’t know the building was gonna catch on fire.”

Bex: Nothing about this is May’s fault.

Alice: Yeah, no,

Bex: she does feel like it should be somebody’s fault though. And she has one of [00:18:00] those, she has, she’s still holding onto the program from um, the funeral, which they use to transition to somebody else who went to the funeral, which was Hen um, she’s gone over to Chimney’s post funeral and he’s now looking at the, um, funeral program going, what the hell do you do with these things after the funeral’s over?

Alice: Yeah. I’ve just got an awkward drawer that has some in them.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Which is literally what Hen says around that. “You throw ’em in a drawer and then you throw ’em out five years later.”

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. Um, especially when it’s like one of the fa like a family member and you know, you go with your family and everyone takes one and then it’s just like, well, I feel awkward throwing it out, but do we really need like 12 copies of this at the one house?

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Um, Chim mentions the elephant in the room, which is like, why did Hen go to the funeral anyway? Um, yeah, so Chim didn’t go to

Alice: Hen did,

Bex: but because like we’ve gone from season one, you don’t go past the glass doors. [00:19:00] To now we attend the funerals.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Of,

Ellen: yeah.

Bex: Of everybody who’s died on our watch.

Ellen: Yeah. He’s like, “we’ve lost people before, but we never went to their funeral.” But Hen the reason that Hen went to the funeral was that she thought there was some, she had some questions about Claudette’s death. So she went to the funeral to try and get some answers.

Alice: Yeah. I dunno what to snoop answers she was gonna get at the funeral.

Ellen: Sure. She’d gone into like PI mode and decided to go to a funeral.

Bex: She can’t

Ellen: to find out,

Bex: you can’t go to the wake unless you’ve gone to the funeral. So she couldn’t just rock up at Claudette’s house afterwards. So you

Alice: Yeah, she just went to funeral, went snoop at Snoop at the house and figured it was locked until after the funeral. So,

Bex: well, the people would question what she was doing at the wake if she wasn’t at the funeral. So it made more sense to go to the funeral than use that as your ticket to get into the house so she can rummage through Claudette’s medicine cabinet,

Alice: literally,

Bex: which is what she did.

Ellen: She mustn’t have told Karen where she, what she was doing that day, because Karen would’ve been there as well with her.

Bex: Oh my God. [00:20:00]

Ellen: Snooping through all the things, especially after the last couple episodes.

Bex: Oh, so Hen’s trying to explain to Chim why she went to the funeral. She said she’s got questions that she was trying to get answers from, because what happened to Claudette doesn’t make sense. She was fine, then she coded, then she was dead.

And Chim’s like, you know, “We see weird stuff every day.” And Hen’s like, “You know what? I would normally have chalked that up to this being one of the weird things except for the spiders.”

Alice: Yeah. I was like, I forgot about the spiders. And Chim’s just like, what the fuck are you talking about spiders for?

Ellen: Yeah. I thought there was something to do with Claudette’s death that involved spiders. I was like,

Alice: what all spiders?

Ellen: What, what happened with spiders? But yeah, the tarantula.

Bex: Yeah, thankfully

Ellen: the tarantula boy,

Bex: thankfully, uh, Hen and the show, uh, put the put two and two together for us and they remind us about the case.

Alice: Well, for Chim as well. Because Chim also wasn’t there.

Bex: That’s right. Chim was not [00:21:00] there.

Alice: So he’s just like, why the fuck are we talking about spiders?

Bex: Because that was another case where, where Jonah had a patient who was fine as far as Hen was concerned, and then coded after Jonah had spent some time alone with him.

Ellen: Yeah. Which I did not pick up at the time.

Bex: It’s so,

Ellen: although I wondered why the spider bites would’ve caused him to do that, but you know, I didn’t,

Bex: it’s been so interesting

Ellen: think it was anything to do with him.

Bex: Since the beginning of Jonah’s introduction, every time he’s had some form of medicine, in his hand, Alice and I have been giving him immediate side eye.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Because like even Right, right back in that first episode with the paraglider, and he’s like, I’m gonna give you some morphine to, you know, deal with your pain. And I’m like, is that actually morphine? Is this one of the guys he’s gonna kill? He, yeah. I couldn’t remember how many victims there were.

Ellen: Yeah. I don’t, I think, I don’t think he’d had any victim like, actual [00:22:00] deaths in LA though yet. Like, he’d managed to save all the people he’d drugged.

Bex: Except for Claudette.

Ellen: Except for Claudette.

Alice: Until Claudette. Yeah.

Bex: Yeah. Um, but yeah, but God bless Chim he’s immediately on board. He’s picking up what Hen’s putting down.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Alice: Oh my god. Literally. He’s like, yes, I’m, I’m involved. Um,

Bex: yes.

Alice: But yeah, the, the like, so Hen explains about the spider guy, like he was stable, blah, blah, blah. And then Hen’s like, “It’s most likely a coincidence. I mean, Claudette had hypertension.” Chim’s like, “How do you know that?” And Hen’s like, “Oh, I may have looked through her medicine cabinet.”

Um, and then pulls out like a photo of the prescription bottles and everything. Um, and then she’s like, you know, like, rah rah has gone through all her prescriptions.

Bex: I mean, it, it’s, it’s a good idea. She, because then she didn’t have to actually steal the prescription bottles, but she does have a note of exactly what the prescription was for so that they could cross reference it and try and figure out if anything that she was [00:23:00] taking could have caused her to code.

Um, which Chim is like, okay, sure. This kind of medication, high blood pressure plus smoke, inhalation plus all of the stress that could cause a cardiac event, except her BP was stable at the scene. And Hen’s like, “Well, how do you know that?” And Chim’s like, “‘Cause I know you and if her vitals hadn’t been stable, you would’ve put her on the first ambulance out of there. She was fine because you didn’t.”

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: And Hen’s like, oh, thank God you believed me. You believe me?

Alice: And Chim’s like, yes, I believe you. Let’s go.

Bex: Yeah, I got you girl. I got your back.

Alice: Um, meanwhile, Eddie is packing for an invisible Chris. Um,

Bex: yeah,

Alice: Chris in this episode at all, I couldn’t stop, like

Ellen: they [00:24:00] keep mentioning him, but he’s, he never appears.

Alice: He just off screen the whole time.

Bex: He gets name dropped and at this point I think Gavin has been upgraded to series regular. So his name is in the credits, yet he does not appear in episode at all.

Alice: He’s not, he’s absolutely not in this episode at all. Um, so Chris is in the bathroom apparently packing a toothbrush, um, with while Eddie packs the rest of everything. Um, Buck is also for some reason there like, yeah,

Bex: like it does

Alice: there is no reason

Bex: Christopher is not, but Buck is there.

Alice: There’s no reason why Buck should be there and Christopher is not there, but Buck is there sitting on Chris’s desk and fiddling with Chris’s toys. Like he’s literally playing with one of Chris’s dinosaurs.

Um, he’s got a raptor and keeps like making it bite his finger and like just fucking around with it the whole time. Chris isn’t there, but Buck is. So this is fine. Um,

Ellen: the other thing I thought was hilarious about this um, scene was that Eddie puts, like he goes, “oh, I dunno what to take. I’ll just take all of it.” [00:25:00] So he, he has like a small bundle of clothes and he puts them in this giant suitcase and then just zips it up. It’s like, why are you taking that huge suitcase when he’s only got a few pairs of clothes? It was just, it was a weird,

Alice: they’re going for literally like a night. Like,

Ellen: yeah, I would just put it in a backpack. Like, I don’t know. Anyway, it doesn’t matter.

Alice: It’s so funny.

Ellen: Because it’s quite a, a cute scene in,

Alice: um, it’s so cute. Really cute. It’s very much an cute exposition scene. Um, but it’s, it’s great.

Bex: Yeah. So yeah, so that’s why Buck is there because it doesn’t make sense for Eddie to go through all of this exposition with anybody else. Like we could get half of the,

Ellen: he could’ve just talked to himself, like, he’s like, I dunno, why am I doing the packing for this trip to, to Texas to talk with my father?

Alice: To see my father’s retirement party? Yeah.

Bex: We could get the base information about we’re going to Texas. It’s my father’s retirement party. But the emotional aspect we wouldn’t get unless he was talking [00:26:00] to Buck.

Ellen: To Buck. Yeah.

Bex: Like when, um, when Eddie is running around like a chicken with its head cut off and Buck is just like, you know, “Why don’t you just take a later flight, chill out a little bit. Your parents will understand,” and Eddie just gives Buck a look and Buck goes, “Yeah. Right. They should understand, but they’re not going to,” and we couldn’t get that if it’s any other character.

Alice: Yeah,

Ellen: yeah.

Alice: Um, but yeah. Buck’s like, “are you sure this is even a good idea?” And Eddie’s like, “No, I have to go. My mom made this huge deal about this party. He worked at the company for 40 years and Chris is excited to see everyone. He misses them.”

It’s like, does, does he, is he excited to see everyone because he’s not there? Um, fairly sure Eddie left him on the plane. Um. So yeah, they do the whole exposition thing thing. So, um, he worked there for 40 years. He was in oil? No, he was a petroleum engineer. He spent his whole life driving across the state, living everywhere, but under his own roof with his own [00:27:00] family.

Wonder where Eddie got things, certain things from.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: Hmm. I do love this storyline for the Eddie Diaz lore that we get.

Alice: Oh yeah.

Bex: Um,

Ellen: yeah. Yeah.

Bex: And the, the therapy has been, you know, really working with Buck because he tries to offer some advice. He goes, “Listen, as someone who comes from a screwed up family,” and Eddie’s very quick to say, “My family isn’t screwed up. It’s just my dad.”

Alice: Buck’s face is great. Buck just like raises his eyebrows. He’s like, uh, and, and he is like, just my dad. Okay. It’s like, yeah, I’ve met your mother, but sure. Um, and then he goes, “Plan is get in, get out without any drama. Say congratulations, have some cake. Call it a day.” And Buck’s like, “And what about when he starts to get in there and push your buttons?” And Eddie’s like, “There’s a hotel 20 minutes away. Three and a half stars. Chris is gonna love the pool.”

Bex: Yeah. Hmm. I’m assuming that Buck is there to drive them to the airport. I think that’s why he’s there.

Alice: Oh yeah. I like that. No, but they’ve even said they’re gonna pick, pick up Tia [00:28:00] Pepa. Oh yeah. Maybe. I guess they’re all picking up Tia Pepa.

Bex: Yes. Yeah. So they’ll go pick up Pepa.

Alice: I mean, it is Tia Pepa go to the air. She’s just gonna look at them and be like, oh, Eddie’s boyfriend’s driving us to the airport again. That’s so nice.

Bex: You could imagine that if Eddie showed up in the Uber, like why didn’t you just get Buck to drive you?

Alice: Yeah. Where’s Buck to today?

Bex: That’s, that’s

Alice: why isn’t Buck driving you?

Bex: I think, I think that is the in universe explanation for why Buck is there. It’s the only reason he would be there.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

Bex: Of course they don’t explain that, but I think it’s, it’s, it’s a cute scene. That’s funny. It just makes no sense. Speaking of cute and funny,

Ellen: this scene also makes no sense. Like, it makes sense I guess, but it’s just funny because

Bex: no, it does not make sense,

Ellen: Chim and Hen are not working today, and yet they are at the station house. Um, but they’re hiding. And when the truck leaves with all the, the 118 who are on shift today, [00:29:00] they, they go, they go.

Bex: But what about the man behind? Like I know the whole idea is that like the engine truck leaves and so their firehouse is empty, but there’s always a man behind. So where is he? Why is he not

Ellen: It’s okay.

Bex: he or she not seeing?

Ellen: They, because they’re creeping and, and you know, they’re in, in stealth mode.

Bex: Don’t be suspicious. Don’t be suspicious.

Ellen: Yeah. They’re like creep, creep, like completely non suspiciously across the, the, the station house and open Bobby’s door. Yeah. Yeah. They go straight to Bobby. Chim says, “can’t believe you’re having us break into Cap’s office.” And then they go through this like very expositionally.

“Okay. So what we need to do is we need to find a copy of the paramedic transfer forms that Jonah submitted.” I’m like, oh God, do you really need to tell us all about what’s happening here? But I mean, it’s I guess a fast way for them to impart that information. But yeah.

Bex: Yeah,

Ellen: they go through the, this filing cabinet with lots of paper files. So obviously the, [00:30:00] the LAFD is not paperless. Not yet.

Bex: It looks like

Ellen: lots of paperwork.

Bex: Personnel files are electronic, but incident reports are still done on paper.

Ellen: Oh, yeah. Because the personnel file is on the computer.

Bex: I don’t know, maybe it’s like the paper is what they do sort of directly after the call and then somehow it gets digitized and put in the system. It also means that they can divide and conquer. So Hen can be looking at something while Chim is looking at something.

Alice: Yep.

Ellen: Yeah, and they, and she’s wondering how they’re gonna log into the computer because did Chim become a hacker while he was gone? And Chim’s like,

Bex: no.

Ellen: Well, I was living in a basement,

Bex: but they’re forgetting that Bobby is a boomer and can never remember his password. And so he’s written very helpfully, written it on a post-it note that he keeps in his unlocked top drawer.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. If you,

Bex: which in case you’re interested is Nash [00:31:00] BB dash 118.

Alice: Yep. Nash baby

Ellen: Um, the, uh, executives of companies and boomers in general are the number one people who are like the most at risk for like security breaches.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: Because they have the same password for everything and they can’t be bothered to, um, get password managers or any kind of two factor authentication or anything like that.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Alice: Why would he have a password manager? He has a post-it note.

Ellen: Yeah. That is his password manager and it’s in his drawer. So who would look for it there?

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Why doesn’t he lock his drawer so that nobody can get in and find, said password manager. Anyway,

Ellen: he’s obviously just far too trusting.

Bex: We know why, because they needed Chim to be able to log into the computer, which he does. So he logs in. He’s looking up Jonah’s, uh, personnel [00:32:00] file while Hen is searching through both Claudette and Perry’s, um, incident reports to see what Jonah wrote about the, what happened on the calls. Um,

Alice: oh my God, this is. This is what Jonah has written.

Bex: Yes. This is, this is Jonah’s own description of the report. Yeah. So for Perry, “the patient was found unconscious following multiple tarantula bytes. No other symptoms present. Paramedic Greenway pushed steroids prior to transport. The patient went into cardiac arrest. Paramedic Greenway quickly and ably was able to restore normal rhythm through use of defibrillation. Patient was transported to for follow-up care to the ER.”

Ellen: Chim acknowledges that the language was a little more flowery than he’s used to.

Bex: It gets worse though. We go and we read Claudette’s file, which was “patient suffering from smoke inhalation. No other symptoms were observed. Paramedic [00:33:00] Greenway administered nebulized abuterol during pa during transport. Patient went into cardiac arrest. Despite Paramedic Greenway’s valiant efforts, defibrillation and manual compression did not restore normal rhythm. Patient was a pronounced DOA at the emergency room.”

Alice: Puke. Yeah.

Bex: Um, it’s like he’s writing, um, when you have to write your own performance reviews and so you pull out all like the $10 words

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: To try and hype yourself up for your manager.

Ellen: Yeah, well, I mean at this point he was still trying to, oh no, actually no, he’s not, he’s already out of the 118. It was like, you know, he was trying to get in with the, with the gang at the 118 previously.

Bex: But the gang aren’t gonna be reading his incident reports.

Alice: No.

Bex: And even if they were, no one is going to the calling yourself or calling your efforts valiant is not going to like, um, get you in with [00:34:00] the cool kids.

Ellen: But maybe in his head it, I don’t know. Anyway, it doesn’t work for this because he’s already out of the 118 now. He’s in the other team. So, um, but then Chim does find out that, um, Jonah has only been with the LAFD for 14 months, but before that he was paramedic in Chicago, Miami, Dallas and Denver. So he’s moved around a lot. Um, and then the bells ring.

Bex: Why are the bells ringing when they’re coming back?

Ellen: Yeah, I, I dunno

Alice: to alert them that they’re coming back maybe they’re

Bex: alert who?

Alice: Who knows

Bex: if the, because allegedly

Alice: no, literally, literally

Bex: there’s nobody left

Alice: to alert Hen and Chim.

Bex: No, I know it’s, I know it’s to alert Hen and Chim, but I’ve never seen, we don’t often see the trucks come back, but the few times that we have the alarm is never going off when they’re coming back.

Ellen: It doesn’t really make sense for it to go off,

Bex: there’s so much in this episode is just for the drama of the alarm [00:35:00] going off and Chim going, “oh no, they’re here. Oh no, we’re caught!”

Ellen: It’s, it’s very dramatic. This is hilarious because Chen is, uh, Chen. Hen is like, “we’re not caught. Just act cool and follow my lead.” And then she proceeds to be the most not cool at all.

Alice: Oh, it’s so, so conspicuous. They may as well be whistling, like

Ellen: she brings the incident reports with her and just like holds onto them, tucks him under her arm. “Let’s go.” Yeah. Chim’s like, well, I mean that’s meanwhile trying to remove his fingerprints from the desk, like with his sleeve. Uh, unfortunately they don’t get out fast enough.

Bex: And I think, yeah, no, they would’ve got away with it except that, um, Lucy and Ravi are on the B shift and they immediately see and notice Hen and Chim and immediate and want to know why they’re there because it’s not their, that’s not their shift. Why are [00:36:00] they in the engine bay?

Alice: Yeah. They’re like, oh, hey guys, aren’t you off today? Uh, yep.

Bex: And see, I think Ravi might have bought it. Lucy is absolutely having none of it. She’s like “Whatcha doing?”

Ellen: Yeah. Despite Hen telling, telling Chim to follow her lead, she has no clue what to say. She’s like, “Oh, we were just, um,” and so Chim’s the one who has to come out with a special project for the mayor and, uh, Ravi’s asking about it. Like what kind of project? Uh, and they just bluff their way out of it, basically.

Alice: Yeah. They just need data.

Bex: They think they

Alice: data

Bex: the, they think they bluff their way out of it, but then they sort of run out, sort of giggling to themselves like, oh my God, if we can’t believe we got away with it. And Lucy’s just like, “what do you think they’re hiding?” Ravi’s like, I don’t get paid enough to care.

Alice: He’s literally like, “Around here, I find it’s best not to know.”

Ellen: And then as they go away Hen’s [00:37:00] like, “You’re a terrible liar.” I’m like, oh really?

Bex: We knew that about Chim though. It’s well established that he can’t keep secrets.

Ellen: No. But

Bex: therefore makes him terrible liar.

Ellen: Hen’s the one is the terrible liar.

Bex: No, she did well, and it’s

Ellen: a terrible liar in this case.

Bex: I mean, she, as soon as Chim gave her the special project for the mayor, she immediately just went into this whole spiel about the, the beta testing new piece of equipment, blah, yada, yada, yada.

Ellen: Yeah. But she still didn’t sound very convincing.

Bex: Um, being caught by, or almost caught by Lucy and Ravi has given her, um, second thoughts. She’s having doubts.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: Um, she’s like having a, a mini sort of crisis in the car when they get back. Um, because, you know, like “what have, what have I sunk to? I’m rummaging through a dead woman’s medicine cabinet. I’ve got you breaking into the captain’s office,” and Chim’s trying to remind her of the [00:38:00] mission. “We’re trying to prove whether or not Jonah is a bad paramedic.”

Ellen: He’s like, “What if we are wrong?” And Chim says, “What if we’re not?”

Alice: Yeah, “He’s out there, right now.” And then we literally cut to Jonah on a call and yeah, Chim’s like, “Someone’s calling for help. This guy’s gonna show up. He’s holding their lives in his hands. We don’t know what he’s gonna do with them.” It shows Jonah pulling a vial and a syringe out of his pocket, and he is like, “oh, I’ll give you something for the pain.” And it’s just a woman with, um, like her arm and a sling. And she’s like, “oh, you sure that’s okay?” and he’s like, “Trust me.”

Bex: No, don’t, don’t trust him.

Ellen: All right. So now we’re gonna take a little side quest to Texas.

Bex: Yeah., Eddie, the imaginary Christopher and Tia Pepa have arrived at the Diaz residence. As soon as the car pulls up that, like, you can hear this with the gravel under the tires, and immediately [00:39:00] Abuela is out the front door running for the car.

Ellen: Yeah. Oh yeah. She heard them coming

Bex: and Eddie’s like, I haven’t even shut off the engine. How can anything be wrong?

Ellen: Uh, I didn’t have any, um, subtitles here, so I, and like, I don’t know if it was just because I didn’t have them turned on or they don’t exist for this conversation.

Bex: They don’t exist.

Ellen: Okay. Okay, fine.

Bex: I, I literally got the transcript and then Google translated what they were saying. I mean, it’s only like three lines.

Ellen: Yeah. They don’t, they don’t say much, but yeah, they say a few, a few sentences and I’m like, oh, it would’ve been nice to know what they were saying here.

Bex: Uh, I mean, it didn’t, it didn’t really add much context or add much to the conversation. So, yes, Isabel, when, um, Abuela asks about Christopher, who is, you know, apparently asleep in the backseat of the car, thank God the car is dark, so we can’t even see if Gavin’s hanging out in the back of the car. Um, and she’s like, ” oh, my poor little angel. So tired.”[00:40:00]

Ellen: Oh.

Bex: Uh, so the reason that Abuela has come running outta the house as soon as her daughter and her grandson have arrived is because, um, Helena’s pretty much kicked her outta the kitchen. She is insisting,

Alice: She’s in there doing all the cooking.

Bex: Yes. And, um, Pepa’s like “I thought there that my brother hired caterers for his big party.”

Alice: Um, yeah. Turns out she did.

Bex: Yeah. But the caterers were only allowed to serve the food. Yeah. Helena has to cook everything herself. And Eddie’s like eyeing his grandmother going, “Everything. You didn’t cook anything at all?” She’s like, “All right, maybe I was allowed to make the tamales,” which apparently is cause for celebration. So

Alice: Yeah, they’re like, oh, thank God. And it’s just like, I, it it’s Helena bad at cooking or,

Bex: well, that’s, that was my question. Is [00:41:00] she bad at cooking just in general or is she just really like, the tamales are like Abuela’s specialty and nobody can cook them the way she cooks them.

Ellen: I just, it’s because, um, like, you know, Abuela usually does all the cooking and they’re, they’re like, you didn’t cook any of it? And now they’re happy that she’s actually cooked something.

Bex: Yeah. I don’t know. I’m being the bitch that I am, I like to think that, um, Helena can’t cook. And that like all the food is gonna be terrible. Yes. And then that’s where Eddie got his inability to cook from. Uh, because his mother can’t cook.

Alice: It’s ’cause she’s the only white member of the family.

Bex: That would be really interesting. Like, I, I wonder how, ’cause we know that she’s, Eddie mentioned that he’s like half Swedish, so I wonder how Swedish is Helena? Like how, like what is the, the culture clash for food in the Diaz house?

Ellen: Hmm.

Bex: Anyway, so Eddie goes inside and yes, his mother is in the [00:42:00] kitchen cooking and Eddie tries to get her away from the stove telling her that like, uh, she has to take a break. Um, and that every, when she’s like, no, leave me alone.

He’s like, “Everything looks perfect. I’m sure it tastes great too.” And I don’t know whether he’s just like ribbing her or whether he’s like, seriously questioning because he, I think he goes to taste something and she smacks his hand away.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: So I don’t know whether it’s

Ellen: he goes in to grab something, but

Bex: Yeah. So is that like, uh, like I’ve gotta taste test it just to make sure that it tastes okay? Or is it like, I’ve gotta taste it to make sure you’re not gonna poison everybody.

Ellen: Oh, I just figured he was hungry. Isn’t that what all sons do?

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Like, see, try to get food. Every opportunity.

Bex: Like I said, when it, when it comes to the Diaz parents, I am immediately gonna think the worst of them just because I don’t like them.

Alice: Exactly.

Bex: Um, speaking of Diaz parents, um, Ramon walks in

Alice: ugh. [00:43:00]

Bex: And you can immediately see Eddie tense up.

Ellen: Yeah. He doesn’t look too happy to see him.

Bex: No, because as soon as Ramon walks in, he’s immediately admonishing Eddie.

Alice: Oh yeah. He’s like, “It’s been too long. You should come visit more often.” And Eddie just goes “Pretty sure planes fly in both directions,” and it’s like, whoa, oof.

Bex: Yes. Good job, Eddie

Alice: Starting already, Eddie.

Bex: So we get a little bit about, um, Ramon has retired and that that’s what the party is for and that the company, um, gave him a watch in celebration for his 40 years. Um, and it’s a, it’s a fancy watch comes in like really fancy watch box, and it comes with a card that says, uh, in recognition of your 40 years of service, um, from our family to yours.

And you can see Eddie make a fan a face at the mention of family.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And then Ramon takes the, uh, the little knife that he’s sort of jabbed [00:44:00] in Eddie’s ribs already and gives it a twist and goes, “well, it’s not quite a silver star, but it’s something.” Like, for fuck’s sake, man.

Ellen: Yeah. Well, Eddie does congratulate him.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: And then, uh, he says, it’s weird being unemployed, no meetings to rush off to, no phone calls to juggle. It’s like he doesn’t know what he’s gonna do with himself. And I think that’s a big problem with a lot of boomers in particular. They’ve, they all their life, they’ve been a slave to their job and suddenly they retire and they’ve got nothing to do.

And then so they make it everyone else’s problem, maybe in, in Ramon’s case. Um

Bex: mm-hmm.

Ellen: But anyway.

Bex: Yeah. That’s exactly what’s going on here because Eddie’s like, why live if you’re not working? And then the first question that Ramon asks his son after seeing him for such a long time is about work.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Not like, how are you, how is [00:45:00] Christopher. How’s work? And specifically how is, how is working as an, as an operator?

Ellen: I’m surprised he knows that much about what’s going on.

Bex: I have a, I have a theory that he doesn’t like Eddie’s new job. Like I’m head canoning.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: So I’m head-canoning so hard and like filling in the gaps so much with this, but I think he doesn’t like, well he, that Eddie is now,

Alice: well, there’s no way he can brag about his big brave firefighter son if his big, brave firefighter son is just tweeting emergencies from dispatch.

Bex: I think this comes up a little bit more in like the conversation they have toward the end of the episode. So maybe I’ll leave my thoughts about it until then. Um, but yeah, there’s, there is the, the bragging rights and then there’s also, um, why Eddie changed jobs that Ramon doesn’t like.

Ellen: Hmm.

Bex: But I’ll leave that until that conversation that Ramon and Eddie [00:46:00] have.

Ellen: It’s, it’s kind of a weird, um, I guess they kind of fit together. I was gonna say, it’s a weird cutting between like what’s going on in Texas versus like the mystery of whatever’s happening with Jonah. But I guess that the kind of hero thing fits sort of

Bex: Yeah. It’s the, it’s the hero thing. Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. But like the tonal shift is a bit strange. Like.

Bex: Oh yeah. It’s like they’re two completely different stories.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: That like thematically are linked together, but really do not. I, I think the Jonah investigation…

Ellen: there was two different writers weren’t there.

Bex: I maybe, I feel like

Ellen: I was looking at it the other day, day to see who was, it was.

Bex: It’s Stacey, Stacy, Stacy, R Rose and Kristen Reidel are credited as the writers on this. So yeah, maybe it is. Somebody wrote the Eddie storyline. Somebody wrote the Jonah storyline and they just sort of smoosh them together [00:47:00] in one episode and slapped a theme over the top, like, throw in a couple of references to Hero, you’ll be fine. It’ll, they won’t even notice.

Ellen: Well, meanwhile, back in LA uh, Bobby and Athena are about to go to bed, and like Athena has just been talking to May and Bobby’s like, “how many times are you planning to check on May?” And so obviously Athena’s been ringing her all day, but, um, Athena says, “oh, until, I’m sure she’s okay. Yeah. That you’re both okay.”

And Bobby’s like, oh, get off my back woman. Its his turn in the hot seat. Um, and Athena knows that, that she, you pulled the woman outta the fire and she died in front of you. That’s not easy. And, um, Bobby said that her husband came to find him at the funeral and wanted to shake his hand. He wished he could have done more.

And that’s pretty much it.

Alice: Yeah, it’s a weird little scene.

Ellen: It is [00:48:00] strange. Yeah. I mean, obviously Bobby’s feeling sad about the whole thing.

Bex: It also gives us a transition to, um, Hen and Karen, because we go from Bobby wishing that he could have done more, and then Karen echoing that, almost going, but “this could have been some there, there has to be something you can do.”

Um, so it looks like Hen has filled her wife in on her suspicions about Jonah, and we discovered that Hen and Chim have found out, they’ve talked to some of the other houses that Jonah was at and everybody sang his praises except for, uh, one guy over the 1 22 who told them about an incident where they responded to a fender bender.

The guy was fine. He had concussion, airbag abrasions, and when the, the paramedic left Jonah alone with him, when he came back, the driver was in full arrest and died at the scene. [00:49:00]

Ellen: And that’s enough for Karen.

Bex: Karen, Karen pretty much pulls her that. Yeah, she’s like, it’s, it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck. It’s a duck.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Actually it’s once is a mistake. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern. Hen’s like, “well, I, I can’t do anything because I don’t have proof. If I file a complaint, he’ll just run, he’ll become another house’s problem and then I won’t be able to do anything.”

Um, Karen’s like, “Okay, cool. What about talk to Dallas, talk to Denver, talk to Chicago,” and, Hen counters with, “If he’d had a string of suspicious deaths, he wouldn’t have made it through those, those cities. The LAFD wouldn’t have hired him.” And Karen’s response is, “it doesn’t have to be deaths. ’cause nobody starts with murder.”

Ellen: And the light goes on above Hen’s head and that’s

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: The ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Ellen: She immediately goes to Chimney’s place.

Alice: Yeah. Very [00:50:00] early.

Ellen: It’s the next morning. It’s the next morning.

Bex: It’s the next morning. She at, she at least I think she stays up all night googling and doing research because when she shows up to Chim’s house very early the next morning she has the answers.

Alice: Yeah. She literally, like, Chim opens the door and Hen just goes, “they never start with murder.” And Chim’s like, “what?”

Bex: But no, she’s found Jonah’s origin story and then she proceeds to tell Chim what we in the audience already know.

Ellen: Yeah. Murderers. Murderers don’t start with murder. They have an origin story. Yeah.

Alice: So yeah, Jonah at 13 was called a hometown hero for successfully resuscitating his school bus driver after a heart attack behind the wheel.

Um, there’s dozens of articles, interviews. They gave him the damn key to the city and paid for his college. Saving the driver made him an overnight celebrity. Um, Chim says he got full of himself after he aced an English test, so he can’t [00:51:00] imagine what something like that would do to a kid’s ego.

Bex: And then Hen’s figured out

Ellen: or how he’d feel when the attention goes away.

Bex: Yeah. So she’s, she’s worked out what Jonah is doing. He is trying to recreate the experience. He doesn’t actually want people to die. He just wants to push them to the brink of death so that he can have the glory of saving them.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. So he is not trying to kill them, but he’s kind of like he’s killing them and then bringing them back again.

Bex: It’s, as Chim said, you could only do that. You could only push people to the brink and bring them back so long before you slip up. Um, and he mentions, he says that they’ve been doing all of this digging into Jonah’s past when he’s been there hiding in plain sight and another light bulb goes off for Hen it’s like, um, because Chim says like he’s hiding in plain sight on the local news.

She’s like, [00:52:00] wait, local news,

Alice: and then they go bother my girl, Taylor.

Bex: And so they show up.

Alice: Fucking rude.

Bex: Like they clearly drag them out of bed ’cause they, they show up to Buck’s apartment, um, Buck’s coming down the stairs, like clearly just having pulled on a hoodie and he wants to know if everything’s okay. And they’re like, “no, we don’t wanna talk to you, we wanna talk to your girlfriend,” who comes down the stairs. Also, having clearly

Ellen: absolutely looks like

Bex: pulled something on.

Ellen: She had just got up.

Bex: Yeah, she,

Ellen: she got no makeup on.

Bex: She just slippers on, if she’s got no makeup, she’s got bed hair. She’s thankfully, I wonder if costume at some point if said, do you want her just to come downstairs in one of Buck’s t-shirts?

Like she’s literally just grabbed it off the floor and pulled it on? And like, no, no, no. She needs to be a little bit more clothed.

Alice: No, I wish she was in Buck’s tshirt anyway. Um,

Bex: no, no, no. Like,

Alice: so they, um, they wanna watch the footage from the call center [00:53:00] fire and they’re like, “can you access that from here?” and Taylor’s like, “Theoretically yes. Why?”

Ellen: Hen and Chim keep throwing each other glances. Like, they’re like, oh, should we tell her anything? And eventually Buck and I think like Buck says, “is something going on? Like, what, what is happening here?”

Alice: Yeah. He, he wonders if the fi the family filed a complaint and Taylor’s like, yeah, I don’t care. Just make me coffee Buck. But yeah, so Taylor, I don’t know how Taylor has the footage,

Bex: I’m going to assume that she edit, she edits her own stories,

Alice: which wouldn’t be her job, but,

Bex: so her cap.

Alice: Sure. Okay. Yep. Um,

Bex: well that’s the only she, because we’ve

Ellen: She’s logged into the work server and like

Alice: yeah, she’s logged into the work server, but I don’t know.

Yeah, it’s strange. Um, anyway, so yeah, she’s got her laptop hooked up to Bucks TV and they’re all sitting on the couch watching the [00:54:00] footage and they’ve filmed Jonah flirting with Claudette, who’s like giggling at her. And, you know, um, like Jonah’s full on like, oh, you don’t really have the looks to be a phone operator.

Um, and it’s like, yeah, she seems fine. How do you go from laughing one second to coding the next? And then Hen sees something. So they go back and on the screen they see Jonah injecting something into Claudette’s IV and they’re like,

Ellen: oh no.

Alice: You know, peering in and debating what they think it is and Buck’s like, “okay, what the fuck’s going on here?” And Buck’s like, “oh, we’re not gonna tell anyone.” And then like, Side-Eye Taylor and then everyone else side eyes Taylor.

Bex: Yeah, because Hen Hen and Chim are like, you know, “we’re really not sure.” They know. They just don’t wanna say it in front of Taylor. Um, so Taylor like, does the reporter pinky promise. Like it’s off the record. Anything you say in front of me is off the record. So they immediately launch [00:55:00] into a discussion of their theories.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Um, which were basically, that Claudette was fine. There was no reason for, uh, Jonah to be pushing any kind of drug. And whatever he did push caused her heart to stop and he did it on purpose.

Alice: Bless Buck. Like Buck just doesn’t understand.

Bex: No, because he likes to see the good in people.

Alice: Yeah. They’re like, “oh yeah, he, whatever he was pushing on that video calls her heart to stop” and he’s like, “on purpose?” it’s like, yes,

Bex: yes.

Alice: Um, Buck’s. Like, no, no. I’m sure it was a mistake and bless him. Um, maybe he’s just a bad paramedic.

Um,

Bex: and then he like blames Hen for like “Hen I know you don’t like the guy, but you know, don’t go blaming him for Claudette’s death.” Um, at this point Chim sort of jumps in and goes, “Buck, this isn’t the first time he’s done this. There have been other people that have died under suspicious circumstances around him.”

So Buck’s like, “okay, so maybe he’s just a bad paramedic,” and

Ellen: oh my God, this is my [00:56:00] favorite bit.

Alice: So good.

Bex: Her little reporter, spider senses have started tingling

Ellen: watching, watching this, just laughing my head off because she goes, “or maybe he’s a serial killer!”

Alice: Maybe he’s a serial killer.

Ellen: She’s so excited.

Bex: And it’s even better because she’s so, she says maybe he’s a serial killer, and she, like, she leans forward to get a closer look at the screen and everyone around her sort of leans back and away like, oh my God.

Ellen: Oh. I laughed.

Bex: But unfortunately we don’t get any more of that. ’cause we’re gonna go back to Texas.

Ellen: Oh, yeah,

Alice: yeah,

Ellen: yeah. So the party is in full swing.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: There’s the very nice looking cake that has like a chocolate oil rig on top.

Bex: Yeah. But the, the writing around the cake is, “it’s about time.” it’s about time, Ramon.

Ellen: Yeah. They’ve been trying to get rid of him for years.

Alice: Yeah. [00:57:00] Even they don’t want him in their family. They’re like, please leave. Like, no one asked you to be here at 4:00 AM Why are you here?

Bex: So Ramon and Helena are, uh, walking and talking, sort of arguing. They, uh, make their way across to where Abuela, Tia Pepa, and Eddie and the invisible Christopher are standing. Um, we don’t see Eddie’s sisters at all in this episode either, so I don’t know where they are. They must be. They’re with Chris somewhere.

Alice: They’re with Chris

Bex: They don’t exist in this episode.

Alice: Them and Chris are just hanging out off screen, just slightly off screen.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Just outside the field of view for the camera.

Ellen: Oh, that reminds me of that fic where they’re, where Eddie sees the ghosts. Oh, I need to read that again. Sorry. That, that’s where I remember the sisters from mainly. We haven’t only seen them in the show like one time.

Alice: I don’t think we’ve ever seen them in the show.

Bex: We see them, we see as in like, they’ve hired two Latina actresses to sort of sit at a table in the background and they go, yeah, that’s them. That’s his [00:58:00] sisters. Yeah. But I don’t think they ever get speaking lines. I have a whole like, bookmark folder of fics, which are just Adriana, um, focused.

Alice: Yeah. That’s great.

Bex: She’s one of my favorite characters in fic. I love her. Um,

Ellen: mm-hmm.

Bex: So apparently, um, Ramon is nervous about giving a speech, um, in front of everyone at the party, and everyone’s like, like his sister is, they’re like, “Oh, please, you’ve never met a microphone you didn’t love.” Um, they’re all laughing at him like, because he loves to talk and Eddie’s like, “Yeah, come on. I’m sure that there’s a story that you could tell.” And like, it’s a, it’s a harmless little tease and then Ramon turns around and makes it mean, and he goes, “Sure. I could tell the story about the day I came home from work and found the entire side of my truck had been scraped off.”

Alice: Like, how is that [00:59:00] relevant to your retirement?

Ellen: Yeah, I thought that too. I’m like, why would you tell a story about Eddie at your retirement?

Alice: Like, tell a funny work story, you dumbass.

Bex: No, but it’s not, it’s because Eddie had made fun of him for telling stories. So he is like, you want me to tell a story? Fine. I’m gonna tell a story that embarrasses you.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. Just seems unnecessarily mean. Unnecessarily petty, you know?

Bex: Yes, yes. Well, I mean, Eddie Diaz is a petty bitch. So now we know where he got it from. Um, but funnily enough, it’s not Ramon who tells the story. It’s Helena. Uh, because Ramon wasn’t there when it happened, uh, because he was away at work, off on business. Um,

Alice: as always

Bex: Helena was preg. Helena was pregnant with Adriana and her water broke. And so Eddie tried to drive her to the hospital, but being like, I don’t know how old was he at [01:00:00] that stage?

Ellen: Yeah, he would’ve been small.

Bex: Yeah. So he crashed the truck instead. And what’s interesting is that Pepa is going, like, I’ve never heard you tell this story before. I, I’ve never heard this. Abuela is going, oh, like “Eddie, you know, my little hero.” And, Ramon’s going, you know, “but it, it’s fine. You know, I forgave you for doing that.” and Eddie’s like, “no, you didn’t. You ripped me a new one.”

Alice: Yeah. Like I was a kid trying to help your wife and you yelled at me and grounded me.

Bex: Yeah. And then we, Eddie launch, it’s like, it’s the straw that breaks the camel’s, brack and Eddie launches into a litany of all of the times that Ramon has yelled at him.

“Like, you know, it was like the time you yelled at me for setting off the smoke alarms. ’cause I was trying to make the girls eggs. Or”

Alice: he was 12

Bex: “the time you told you pulled your 10-year-old son aside and told him it was time to be the man of the house. Like tell, [01:01:00] tell them one of those stories.”

Ellen: Yeah. Then we can all understand why you were never around.

Bex: Of Ramon’s only argument was “I was, the reason I was not here, um, was because I was providing for the family.” And Eddie’s sort of shoots back “providing, providing what? Money?” And like, Eddie, I understand, but pot kettle my love because I know that you have realized what you did was wrong. But unfortunately you did exactly the same thing and like, yes, you learned it because that was what you, um, that’s what your, you thought fatherhood was, was going away and earning money, but you kind of can’t throw it in Ramon’s face when you did exactly the same thing.

Ellen: And is, I mean, I know he’s getting angry, but is this really the place to throw down? Like

Alice: Yeah. Like Eddie didn’t even try restraining himself. He got there and was just like, fuck..f.

Ellen: You know what?

Alice: This family, yeah,

Ellen: Fuck you [01:02:00] and fuck you and all of this. Fuck all of this.

Bex: We can blame it on the therapy. Like the therapy has loosened all of those feelings that the army is like tamped down and put in a box. Um, and Frank’s just ripped that box open and pulled all the feelings out and thrown them around. And now Eddie has no idea what to do with them. So he is just throwing them at people.

Alice: Yeah. Mm-hmm. But yeah, Eddie wanted, Eddie wanted a childhood and a dad that took care of him, but no. Um, meanwhile, Ramon’s like grabbing at his chest and his arm. Um, he then falls over and everyone’s starting to panic and

Bex: Except for Eddie.

Alice: Yeah, Eddie, like, Eddie goes to his credit does just go, okay, just breathe. Just breathe. You’re okay.

Bex: Eddie goes into work mode.

Alice: You’re just having a heart attack. You’re fine. My bad.

Bex: Um, so interestingly, like he drags Ramon over to a chair and it looks like he’s about to sort of launch into sort of the, the paramedic list of like, tell me where it hurts, what it like assessing him.

And he [01:03:00] sees Ramon not just clutching at his chest, but trying to dig his hand into his jacket to try and go for something in his pocket. So he like reaches into his father’s pocket and pulls out a little prescription bottle and his demeanor completely changes.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And he is like, “Okay, it’s not a heart attack. Come on, open your mouth. Pill under your tongue. You know the drill,” because they, um, they are nitroglycerin pills, which has been prescribed by Ramon’s cardiologist to help open the blood vessels, settle circulation after having fucking heart surgery.

Alice: Yep.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: And Eddie knows exactly what’s happened.

Ellen: He has three stents. Three stents in his arteries.

Alice: Yep.

Bex: Yes. He went to see a Eddie’s like, “so I’m guessing you went to see a cardiologist on one of your business trips. Right?” And he’s just, he’s, [01:04:00] he’s done with his father. He’s absolutely had it.

Ellen: And the the women are just, can’t believe it. They’re like, what, what hap what do you mean? Why didn’t you tell me? And Eddie reveals that “he didn’t want us to think he was weak.”

Bex: He was too proud to tell us. Yeah. Proud. Yeah. Then we’re gonna get whiplash ’cause we’ve gotta go back to LA and deal with Jonah again.

Ellen: Yes. So at least Hen and Chim have stopped sneaking around and have actually gone to Bobby about it this time.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Well, they have at least a little bit.

Ellen: They have, they have video evidence kind of.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Um, I mean, Bobby, bless him, doesn’t sort of dismiss them out of hand. He’s like. “These are huge accusations. Do you think there’s a way we can prove it?” But um, yeah, they, they think that the toxicology report for Claudette’s autopsy might help, um, you know, see if there’s anything that shouldn’t have been there.

Bex: Although if he’s pushing potassium or [01:05:00] insulin or something like that, it’s not necessarily gonna show up.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Which is why Jonah’s doing that if that’s it is what he’s doing. Mm-hmm. Um, we kind of take an awkward left turn at this point, um, because Athena, who has not heard anything about this before, um, asks whether they think Jonah is acting like some kind of angel of mercy and putting people out of their misery.

And Hen has gone from, I think he’s doing it to try and recreate his glory days as a child to, I think he’s playing God. I don’t think that’s necessarily what’s going on here.

Alice: Like it’s a big leap, but sure.

Ellen: It is. It is a leap. Yeah.

Bex: Because playing God, that implies that Jonah is choosing who lives and who dies, and that’s not what he is doing. He’s just like, she literally said it before. He’s pushing people to the brink so that he can [01:06:00] have the glory of bringing them back.

Alice: Yeah. I don’t know whether

Bex: that’s not playing God.

Ellen: At first, I did think, like when we. I think it was when we read the, um, summary and it said something about playing God.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: And I’m like, did he hear overhear them saying that Claudette was a big bully? And he was like, okay, so she’s gotta die.

Bex: No,

Ellen: but no, that’s what’s happening here. He was gonna save her and become a hero, but it didn’t work.

Bex: Yeah. But that’s, it’s, it’s almost as though that’s not a good enough to run with a story. They’ve have to upgrade him from just trying to recreate glory to being God. Like it’s more dramatic to say that he’s being God, even though I don’t think that’s what the story is supporting.

Alice: No, it’s weird,

Bex: and so that’s why it’s, that’s why it’s in the summary, because it’s in the episode even though it’s not really accurate.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: Um, so while Chim and Hen are bringing their evidence to Bobby and somewhat Athena, um, Buck and Taylor have been left in Buck’s [01:07:00] apartment and Taylor is running with it.

Alice: She lives there too.

Bex: Sure.

Alice: She has nowhere else to go. Bex.

Bex: I know she’s been

Alice: Buck made sure of that.

She

Ellen: been there at least a few weeks by now. She lives there at the moment.

Bex: Yeah. I suppose all the boxes have been unpacked, so yeah. Okay. It’s, it’s still just Buck’s apartment though. She just lives there.

Alice: It’s her, it’s her couch. Um,

Bex: true. It is her couch

Alice: anyway. Yeah. She’s clearly on the phone to work.

Bex: Yes. And she’s on the, she’s on the phone. She sees Buck coming down the stairs and tries to like end the call, like casually trying not to, um, arouse any suspicions in Buck.

Um, and he’s immediately like, “Whatcha doing?” She’s like, “Oh just, just work stuff.” And as he walks into the kitchen, she’s like very casually tries to close her laptop. Um, but Buck [01:08:00] notices what she’s doing and he grabs the laptop and opens it back up. And there is a news article about baby Jonah on her laptop.

Alice: Yeah. And he’s just like, “Really?”

Ellen: Well, he’s, he’s worried that, that if Jonah finds out that they’re onto him, then people are gonna be in, in danger. And like Taylor’s like “they, they’re already in harm’s way. How many calls is he gonna go to? And like, you know, everyone’s in danger.” And Buck says that Bobby is gonna do something ’cause they’re gonna go to Bobby and he’ll, he’ll fix it.

And Taylor’s like, “But I can do something.” And Buck makes her promise that she won’t break the story.

Bex: Well, she kind of already did promise because when they told her everything they told her off the record, which means that she can’t use anything that she learned about in that conversation in her story. [01:09:00] So he’s just kinda reiterating like it’s off the record. Promise that it is off the record.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: Um, and she says, “I promise I won’t run the story.” And I’m always surprised that they don’t like show her crossing her fingers behind her back when she says that.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,

Bex: like, I know that there’s extenuating…

Ellen: She looks really disappointed

Bex: circumstance. It’s a good story. And she is right in that it’s incredibly dangerous for Jonah to be out there working as a paramedic, doing what he’s doing and that the people have the right to know. But there’s also reasons not to tell the people.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Especially right now.

Ellen: Yeah. And I mean, later when she does break her promise, um, the, like, he’s already been arrested, so what’s the problem?

Alice: Yeah. I don’t think she, anyway, we’ll get to that. Or we,

Bex: we can discuss that because

Ellen: rights and wrongs. Yeah.

Bex: I have thoughts about that later as well. [01:10:00]

Alice: But yeah, so we go back to Texas,

Bex: but we have, we go back to Texas. Um, Ramon is feeling much better.

Ellen: Gosh, it is whiplash.

Bex: It is. And so it’s time for a little bit of father son bonding over, um, heart attacks.

Alice: This is so weird though. Like, Ramon’s like, I feel fine, blah, blah, blah. And Eddie’s like, “yeah, I had one myself. Not a heart attack, but a panic attack.” It’s like, it’s not the same thing. Eddie. Like, what the fuck? You did not have one yourself.

Ellen: Well, he, he thought he was having a heart attack at the time.

Alice: Um, but yeah, Ramon’s like, “oh, why didn’t you tell us?” And Eddie’s like, “I’m pretty sure you know the answer to that question,” but yeah, it’s fuck, weird conversation.

Ellen: It’s an awkward conversation. Yeah. It’s, he is like,

Bex: it’s incredibly awkward that

Alice: like his dad had a heart attack and had heart surgery and Eddie’s like, oh yeah, I was a little bit worried. Same thing. Like what? Like I know I have panic attacks. I know that they’re not fun, but they’re absolutely not a [01:11:00] heart attack and surgery. Like

Ellen: Yeah. And then he, and then he segues straight into the, “I I spent my whole life trying not to be like you.” So,

Bex: yeah. I mean that’s, they’re trying to set up the fact that Eddie also didn’t tell anybody because he didn’t want anybody to think that he was weak.

Just like Ramon didn’t want anybody to think he was weak because Eddie unfortunately has spent his whole life trying not to be like Ramon, even though Ramon has spent his whole life trying to set a good example so that Eddie sh with the implication that Eddie should be like him.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And he couldn’t understand why Eddie was not following his example, um, and why Eddie seemed so angry with him. And Eddie’s response was like, I think I was just angry at myself. Like, I wasn’t punishing you, I was punishing myself, but I’m tired of being that guy and I’m gonna be better. And Ramon’s immediate response is, “oh, you’re gonna be better for Christopher?”

[01:12:00] Eddie’s like, “no, I’m gonna be better for myself.”

Ellen: Yeah. It’s just like they, they both sort of stumble their way back into each other’s lives here because they’re, they’re saying, I don’t,

Alice: apparently,

Ellen: I don’t know. I, he says, “we can both be better. I don’t wanna miss out on any more of my son’s life.” And Eddie is, is crying again. Poor darling. He’s done a lot of crying this in this season. Um, but he,

Bex: I told you, because Frank has ripped that box open and like all of Eddie’s tears were inside that box. And now Frank has let them out.

Ellen: Now they’re all flowing out

Bex: and now they’re all flowing out

Ellen: and he lies through his teeth and says, “I’d like that.”

Bex: Tears.

Ellen: I don’t know. He looks quite sincere, but I don’t know if he really wants that. But anyway, uh, okay. Back to LA again. Um, Bobby has been talking to someone on the phone, um, and, but Hen’s still [01:13:00] there.

Bex: Yeah. Because Chim had to go home to go home because Maddie was gonna be dropping off Jee-Yun so he had to be there to, uh, like take his daughter. But Hen’s still sort of hanging around.

Uh, but after she finds out that, I’m assuming Bobby’s talked to the chief or somebody and that they’ve put, um, Jonah on light duties pending the results of the internal investigation. And then Athena, um, says to Hen to be careful because if Jonah is who you think he is, he won’t take kindly to being exposed.

And then funnily enough, not like two seconds later, Hen’s driving home and she gets a phone call

Ellen: mm-hmm.

Bex: From Jonah. Um, because for some reason they opened an investigation into Jonah and then called him and told him that they’ve been opened an investigation onto him.

Ellen: Yeah. Immediately, late at night.

Bex: [01:14:00] Yeah. Like, I don’t think that’s how it works. If you,

Alice: I mean, I guess they have to tell him that he’s on life light duty, but,

Ellen: but they could have just told him when he showed up for work.

Bex: Yeah. He reports for duty the next morning. They go, no, you’re a man behind. No, you’re doing desk duty. Adjust work. It’s like nine, 10 o’clock at night. Why is somebody calling him to go, Hey, when you show up at six o’clock tomorrow morning. Um,

Alice: he might have already been on shift

Bex: You’re riding the desk.

Alice: It was already like maybe he was already at work and they like pulled him out and told him to go home.

Ellen: Maybe

Bex: it’s just weird.

Ellen: Anyway, it doesn’t matter

Alice: because like firefighters work at weird times. So

Bex: For the drama, somebody has alerted a Jonah that the gig is up and he immediately suspects Henrietta.

Ellen: Yeah. How

Bex: I,

Ellen: why?

Bex: I dunno, maybe like, he’s obviously assumed that because she never liked him, [01:15:00] that he never managed to trick her into liking him. That if anything has gone sideways, it’s gonna be her fault. He’s not wrong.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean, she was there, uh, she was there when it all happened, so maybe he just put two and two together and figured she was the problem. But yeah, it it’s a bit of a leap still.

Bex: I mean, it’s a good leap. It’s a correct leap, but it’s a leap

Alice: It’s correct. But it’s a leap. Yeah.

Bex: Yeah. Um, and he very ominously tells Hen that, um, she never gave him a chance to prove himself to her. So he’s gonna do that. He’s gonna show her, doesn’t exactly say what he’s gonna show her, um, but Hen takes it as a threat and immediately calls her wife to tell her to get the family and get outta the house. Go to Bobby’s.

Alice: Yeah,

Bex: not so much because Bobby is there, [01:16:00] because Athena is there and Athena has a gun.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Like Bobby’s not so useful in this situation. His wife is,

Alice: I don’t know, he threw a good punch

Ellen: that’s not until later.

Bex: That’s very, that’s Hen doesn’t know that at this point. She does, she thinks he’s like a pacifist mid-westerner. He doesn’t think that, you know, that he’s capable of doing that.

Alice: I’m sure they’re all seen his, his temper.

Um,

Bex: oh, they’ve all seen it. But you know, they, I think they think he’s chilled out a little bit. Um, they’re wrong, but

Alice: they’re very wrong

Bex: at this point. At this point. I think Athena’s gun is more of a, um, a reason to send them to her house than Bobby’s fists. Um, and Karen’s immediately like, “sure, I’m on board. Denny, grab your shit. We’re about to go.” Um,

Ellen: yeah, that’s why,

Bex: they don’t stop to ask questions

Ellen: we didn’t see Chris tonight, because they can only pay for one child actor.

Alice: Yeah. They can only deal with one.

Ellen: And Denny is in this episode. We haven’t seen Denny for ages actually, but yeah. [01:17:00] But then, but then Karen like manages to get Hen to tell her what is actually happening?

And so she explains how Jonah called her and Karen’s like, “well this doesn’t make any sense. Like, I, they, I don’t, how would he know to come here? Like, I don’t think that we’re the ones that are, that are in danger here.” And so Hen goes to Chim’s place and the door is open when she gets there.

Bex: Yeah. ’cause Hen has also like changed the narrative again in her own head. Yeah. Um, when she interprets Jonah’s threat as that he was jealous of something, and Karen very rightly points out that he wouldn’t be jealous of Karen if he was gonna be jealous of anyone. When it comes to Hen being a paramedic, he’d be jealous of him. And it just doesn’t make sense. Like from here onwards, the storyline does not make [01:18:00] sense.

Alice: Oh, it totally falls apart, but like, sure. Whatever.

Ellen: It’s very exciting. Like,

Bex: oh, it’s very exciting

Alice: it makes no fucking sense.

Ellen: No, it doesn’t matter.

Bex: Unfortunately. It’s, it’s one of those storylines where if you start like pulling at the threads, the whole thing just unravels in front of you.

Alice: And unfortunately for them, we’re about to start pulling threads. Um, but yeah. So, Hen gets to Chim’s apartment, the doors open, the apartment’s empty, Hen pulls out her phone,

Bex: The lights are on, but no one’s home.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Literally.

Alice: Um, yeah. Hen pulls on her phone and like starts to fiddle with it, and then Jonah grabs her from behind.

Bex: She’s texting. Why doesn’t she call?

Alice: Yeah. I thought that she was gonna call, but I don’t know. It’s weird. Um,

Bex: no, apparently texting is the, the right way to go because then it gives Jonah more time to sneak up behind her and jab a hypodermic needle into her neck.

Alice: She’s texting Chimney like “you up?” While she’s in his dark apartment. Um, [01:19:00] and then, yeah, so Jonah grabs her and injects her with a syringe in the neck.

Bex: Yep.

Alice: And this is where everything just gets real fucking weird.

Bex: Yeah. It just, it makes no sense,

Alice: no sense at all.

Ellen: But, but it was so tense. I was worried for them.

Alice: Oh, it’s very tense. It’s very fun to watch. But it’s just like, what, what, what, what, what?

Bex: Yeah,

Alice: so

Bex: it’s like someone’s gone. Um, we know we’ve got Jonah who, you know, he’s trying to recreate his glory days. Um, but that’s not dramatic enough. We need, we really need, like, need more drama. How can make this

Ellen: We actually need him to be a serial killer vibes.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: We, yeah. We need to push, push the psychopath angle and like take it to the nth degree. Does it make sense? No, but it’s dramatic and I love it. I’m blaming Kristen for this part.

Alice: Yeah. Um, so yeah, basically we go into Jonah’s house, apartment, [01:20:00] house, house. I think, uh,

Bex: um, domicile, I, I couldn’t work out if it was an apartment or, uh, a house. I have no idea.

Alice: Um, but there’s beeping. There’s a heart monitor going. Um, we’re in Hen’s point of view and she’s like waking up and like opening her eyes. And so we see a bare chested Chim with leads attached to him, connected to a heart monitor.

Bex: Probably the only good thing about this scene

Alice: is the half naked Chim? Yeah. Um,

Bex: yeah,

Alice: but he’s on like, he’s on like a, it’s not a gurney.

Ellen: It looks like a slab.

Bex: I think it’s Jonah’s kitchen table.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Is it Jonah’s kitchen table?

Bex: I honestly think it’s his

Ellen: Or a bench

Bex: kitchen table,

Ellen: like an island bench or something.

Alice: How does he have a heart monitor?

Ellen: Oh, he probably pinched it from the…

Bex: he says he can get anything on the internet these days,

Alice: but

Bex: like he went online and he bought it.

Alice: Why, like, did Amazon just ship it then? Because like he, [01:21:00] like he was doing this out in the field. It’s not like he was getting called out to things.

Ellen: He wasn’t abducting people, other people.

Alice: Yeah. And abducting people and taking them home

Ellen: until now. Well, that we know of.

Alice: And he is like, oh, you gave me no choice. How long have they been out? How quick is Amazon’s delivery in America?

Bex: But it’s like, it is like he just found out that Hen’s suspected him.

Alice: Literally.

Bex: So, so what was it, like two hour click and collect from Walmart? Yeah,

Alice: that’s what I mean. Like, he’s got a heart, he’s got like all these things. Like what? I don’t

Bex: No, no. Don’t,

Alice: it doesn’t make sense. He’s got a fucking defibrillator

Ellen: maybe he’s been planning this for longer.

Bex: But why?

Alice: He’s got a defibrillator in his kitchen

Bex: be No, no, no, no. But, but why? Because if his shtick is that he pushes someone to the brink of death and then brings them back for the glory, why does he have medical equipment in his house? Nobody would even be there to see him.

Ellen: I don’t know.

Bex: Like he does it out in public where people can see him. [01:22:00]

Alice: I’m surprised that they didn’t have Amazon boxes just like open in the background where he is just like, oh yeah, that Amazon two hour delivery sure is helpful. And then like, winks at the camera, like fucking Buck and his basketball later. It’s um,

Bex: it’s just, yeah. But yeah. So apparently he’s managed to get his hands on a defibrillator, um, a heart monitor and a shit ton of propofol.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Which is like a controlled substance. And so what is he stealing it from the fire station?

Alice: Yeah. It’s,

Bex: or is he literally getting that off the internet as well?

Alice: No, he’s getting everything off the internet.

Bex: You know what I could make, I could have understood this if he stole everything from out of a rig. Like if he went back to the station and he just looted an ambulance and took the defibrillator and took everything. That would make more sense than him like ordering everything off Amazon.

Alice: Yeah. It’s, fuck, it’s weird. And like it, yeah. Anyway, and he is like, “oh, Hen, Henrietta, we’re supposed to be on the same [01:23:00] team.” And Hen’s like, “yeah, we’re definitely not on the same team.” And he’s like, “oh, I think we are. You and this guy? Nah,”

Hen’s like, “We don’t put our patients’ lives in danger just for our own ego.” And he’s like, “You put your hand inside someone’s chest for Pete’s sake. If that’s not ego, I dunno what is,” but he Hen was trying to save that guy, not kill him.

Bex: Okay. No, but like, unfortunately, I think I kind of understand where Jonah is coming from with this, unfortunately for me because I think I, do you wanna go into it now or do we wanna like finish the scene and then we can talk about what, what the fuck is going on in Jonah’s head?

Ellen: Oh, you can talk about it now. I don’t,

Alice: we can go into it now, otherwise we’ll forget.

Bex: Okay.

Ellen: We’ll forget. Yeah.

Bex: Um, so I think he heard about Hen and all of the batshit crazy stuff that she’s done on calls, like sticking her hand in somebody’s chest and doing like insane surgical procedures out in the field. And he thought that she was like him, that she did [01:24:00] it for the glory and that’s why he was really confused

Ellen: and he wanted her to like him because she was a hero.

Bex: He, he thought that she was like him. He thought that he’d found like a partner, a teammate, somebody they could work together and they could like double the glory or that he could ride on her coattails if only she like took him under her wing and he could, she could show him bigger and better ways to get more and more glory.

And that’s why he was really confused when they had that hang gliding accident with like the guy with the double knee, like fractures. And he suggested resetting them in the field. And he looked at, and she looked at him like he was crazy and like, what the fuck are you talking about? That’s a hospital thing.

He’s like, but you’ve done crazy stuff in the field. And he didn’t understand that she did that because it was literally the last resort to save the patient. So he’s been hoping that,

Alice: was it Jonah who was like, “oh, I really wanted to work with the 118. You guys are legends.”

Bex: [01:25:00] Yes.

Alice: Yeah. Okay.

Bex: That was, and then you also get his conversation like when Lucy caught that woman who dropped out the window.

And Jonah, in his conversation with Lucy was saying that he wished that Hen had been the one to catch her, because then she would’ve been getting all the adulation, she would’ve been getting all the interview requests, and he would’ve hoped that that would have like tipped her over the edge into being the female version of him, and that she would understand what he was trying to do.

And so he doesn’t understand that she’s not like him. And so he’s been, this is kind of why he’s so upset with her right now because he wants her to be like him. He thinks that she’s like him and she’s not. And he just doesn’t get it.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And he, she’s never gonna get it.

Ellen: Interesting theory. I like it.

Bex: Why kidnapping and killing Chim over and over and over. He, why that’s a good thing to do and why he thinks that is going to convince Hen to join his team, I don’t know. [01:26:00] Because the only way this ends is with Chim dying. That’s like the only way that they could get away with it is if they killed Chim.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Because otherwise there’s no way to keep him quiet.

Ellen: Yeah. It’s, yeah.

Bex: And that’s not gonna happen.

Ellen: His motivation,

Bex: so I don’t underst understand the rest of it.

Ellen: Yeah. Up until this point, his motivation had been kind of a little bit clear, but now it’s like, what are you trying to,

Bex: now it’s just drama for drama’s sake

Ellen: go out with a bang now? Or what. Yeah. What is the point of all of this? But anyway,

Bex: I think, I think the idea is he’s trying to, like, he’s using Chim as a bargaining chip. Like I’m gonna keep killing Chim and bringing him back until you admit who you are deep down. And you join me on the dark side. Yeah, but I, I, it took far too long thinking about this scene to get to that point.

Ellen: Well, Hen’s not, she’s kind of panicking about the whole thing anyway, because [01:27:00] he’s like injecting stuff in, in Chim to make his heart stop and she’s like begging him to stop.

She’s like, “no, no, no, don’t do that.” And poor Chim has to like nearly die twice over before anything kind of clicks with Jonah that it, it’s not gonna work on Hen. Whatever he’s trying to do.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Um, eventually, okay, so we can, I don’t know if we wanna fast forward this scene, but there’s not much more to say about it apart from like,

Bex: I think it’s pretty much it. He keeps killing Chim, um, Hen keeps bragging him to bring him back. Maddie realizes that something is wrong because she goes to drop off Jee and Chim is not there and there is the

Ellen: But his phone is there.

Bex: Protective cap for a syringe. Yeah. His phone is there and there’s a protective cap from a syringe on the floor, so she knows something’s up. Um, so she calls 9-1-1.

Ellen: but Karen, she talks to Karen as well.

Bex: Yeah, I

Ellen: um, and [01:28:00] so Karen tells Maddie what’s going on, so then Maddie calls 9-1-1. But yeah, Hen kind of accuses Jonah of trying to be a hero, blah, blah, blah.

Bex: I do have to say this like next little bit. It’s, it’s ridiculous. But it’s kind of funny because, um, like Hen’s begging Jonah to let Chimney go, and Jonah’s like, yeah, okay. And like injects more adenosine into Chimney. And Hen’s like, “What the fuck are you doing?” And Jonah’s like, “Oh, I thought you wanted me to let him go. My bad.”

I was like, okay, that’s stupid. But it’s kind of funny.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: So it’s like round three Chis like pretty out of it. Um, and at this point, but he still manages to wake up and regain a little bit of consciousness. Um, and Jonah’s doing his like Vaudeville villain speech.

Ellen: Oh God. He’s monologue-ing real [01:29:00] hard

Bex: Hen notices Chim is awake. Chim notices that, uh, Hen notices that Chim is awake and so she decides to distract Jonah so that Chim can do something. And so she basically, like remember in the last episode where May was trying to convince Claudette to get up and nothing was working. Then she started yelling at her.

Alice: Yeah. And it was this pretty much the same thing here. Yeah.

Bex: So this is exactly the same thing, like begging Jonah is doing nothing. So she starts mocking him.

Alice: Yep.

Bex: She’s like, um, “you, you think you’re on the same team as me? You are not my speed. You’re sloppy. I would never let anybody die. Mm-hmm. I would never let myself get caught.”

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And Jonah is like, “I, I mean, I didn’t mean to kill them. I was gonna save them. I’m a hero.” And Hen’s like, “well, you might have been a hero when you’re a kid. Now all you are is a murderer.” Jonah’s like, “I am not a murderer.” And Hen’s like, “Really? Then why is Chim not breathing?” And Jonah’s like, oh, shit. So he runs over to [01:30:00] help Chimney.

Chimney, while Hen has been distracting, Jonah has, um, managed to grab one of the defibrillator paddles and charge it, and also get a hand free from the restraints that were binding him to the kitchen table slash island bench, which I don’t know how they’re attached to that. Jonah must have like,

Ellen: well, how is he tied up anyway?

Bex: Not gonna think about that! He’s got like, the cuffs around is not thinking about it. Not gonna worry about it. He’s got the defibrillator paddle, which is that good. Okay. Jonah has somehow missed the high-pitched whine that is the defibrillator paddle charging. Um, and so when he goes over to check on Chim, Chim like hits him with the paddle or, and shocks him and knocks him out.

Ellen: Yeah. And then,

Bex: and then tries to get up and then falls off the table trying to

Ellen: falls off. Yeah. Poor Chim. He’s really not doing great.

Bex: But he, but he falls off the table and Hen’s like, are you okay? And Chim’s [01:31:00] like, no. Not even like, okay.

Ellen: He just, he’s kind of slumps over to where Hen is, and like, oh, Chim’s,

Bex: he’s just like hugging her leg.

Ellen: It’s, yeah. I’m guessing he can release her, kind of, but even as they’re doing this, like there’s red and blue flashing lights in the window. It’s like,

Bex: yeah,

Ellen: Who called the police? Like, what is happening?

Bex: Karen.

Ellen: Yeah, but

Alice: Maddie,

Bex: so that’s what I, so here’s what I think happened. Karen heard that Chim was not there and Maddie is freaking out.

So she calls Athena, she’s like, I can’t find Hen I can’t, like Hen called in a panic. I can’t find Chim, Maddie’s freaking the fuck out. Um, so she calls Athena and then Athena via Bobby gets Jonah’s address and they send somebody out. That’s how it works in my head.

Alice: Sure.

Bex: It doesn’t quite work [01:32:00] though, because I don’t know why, if that happened, the 118 are the one that get dispatched.

Alice: Yeah,

Bex: because that would like, you would wanna send a completely different house at that point. Yeah. So then, so it has to be that Maddie called, but then how does she know, like how do they know where Jonah’s house is?

Ellen: Oh, I don’t know. It’s very, well, it doesn’t

Alice: magic

Ellen: it for the drama the B shift it turns up

Bex: it’s so for the drama. Yeah.

Ellen: Some somehow they work out where they are, and for the drama.

Bex: See that’s why like, that’s why I thought it was Bobby. ’cause Bobby could then pull personnel records and get Jonah’s address. But if it’s Maddie,

Ellen: yeah. Well that would be the obvious

Bex: then that’s explains the 118 getting dispatched. ’cause the 118 always get dispatched even when it’s not the A shift apparently.

Ellen: Oh my God.

Bex: Um, I’ve just got a lap full of wool right now from all of the thread that I’ve un pulled what I’m gonna do with it all. It’s like I’ve frogged this entire [01:33:00] episode.

Ellen: You need to use it to weave a new fic or something.

Bex: Exactly. A fix-it fic.

Ellen: Put all the threads back together and write fic with it.

Bex: Excellent idea. Um, so yes, for the drama, Lucy and Ravi have responded to this.

Ellen: Yeah. And they apparently they didn’t know that it was Hen and Chimney until they arrived, which I mean, I guess makes sense because the dispatch wouldn’t have told them that.

Um,

Alice: clearly the, the B shift, um, captain as well also doesn’t exposition until they’re at the scene.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Rather than in the truck.

Ellen: Or doesn’t even when they get there because Ravi’s the one who has to tell Lucy about it.

Alice: Yeah,

Bex: but the thing is, isn’t Ravi coming out of the building? So why are they saying like “they’re saying it’s Hen and Chimney.” Dude, didn’t you, weren’t you just in the building? Didn’t you just see them?

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Anyway, so yeah, so Bobby is also there. Bobby’s in civvies, he’s on the street. He’s trying to get inside Athena’s holding him back and is like, um, you, “it’s a crime scene. You can’t get in there.” And [01:34:00] then Jonah’s brought out in handcuffs.

Bex: And he sees Bobby and he’s just like, “oh, hey Cap.”

Alice: And Bobby’s so mad

Bex: it pisses him off. So pisses Bobby off so much. Like it’s bad enough that um, Jonah has done everything that Hen and Chim have said he’s done and now he’s kidnapped Chim Chim and Hen and done God knows what to them. But to look at him and call him Cap?

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: So like he pushes past Athena. Like if looks could kill Jonah would be six feet under it already, but looks can’t kill. So Bobby’s gonna use his fists.

Alice: Yep.

Ellen: Oh yeah.

Bex: Takes a swing at him. LAPD do nothing. They just let Bobby wail on him.

Alice: Yeah. They’re like, okay.

Bex: Until Jonah’s on the ground and Bobby starts wailing him on the ground and LAD is like, okay, that’s, that’s probably a little bit unfair. We are gonna have to pull you off him now

Ellen: Chim is awake enough when he gets rolled out of there to compliment his punch and [01:35:00] um, Bobby’s like, “I’m so sorry.” Hen says, “I’m, I’m glad he got caught. Hopefully this evidence will be more concrete than what we had earlier.” And Athena says “with this evidence that man will be going away for the rest of his life. He won’t ever hurt anybody ever again.” And I’m like, oh my God, that’s really ominous.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Um,

Bex: he’s not making it to trial.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: And then he Hen says, what we all thought, “how, how can you get here so fast? I thought we were out here on our own.” So yeah, Karen called, apparently.

Bex: Karen called Athena. So that’s how, it still doesn’t explain why they dispatched the 118 though. ’cause I could imagine that that would not be what you would wanna do when it’s like their own people. But anyway, so yes, Karen called. So Chim gets loaded up into the ambulance, Hen goes with him. Um, Bobby says he’ll notify the spouses and let them know that [01:36:00] everything’s okay.

Alice: Yep.

Bex: So all this goes down. We go to commercial, we come back, Buck has been notified about what’s happened. Like the group chat has obviously been going off.

Alice: Group chat is lit tonight, fam.

Bex: And he Eddie’s in Texas. Like, what the fuck is going on? I leave,

Alice: I leave for 24 hours.

Bex: Um. And so Buck has gone to, uh, Chimney’s apartment to check on Maddie also, because he’s being called in for babysitting duty.

He has to look after Jee while Maddie goes down to the station to give her statement.

Alice: No, no. She’s got, she’s, she’s, this statement’s been taken. She’s going to the hospital.

Bex: Oh, that’s right. She’s going to, um, she’s going to, to make sure Chim’s okay. Yeah.

Ellen: To get Chim, yeah. To make sure Chim’s all right.

Bex: Uncle Buck’s on Uncle Duty.

Alice: Um, so yeah. Buck’s keen. Buck’s like, “yeah. Jee and I are gonna have a little slumber party. All good.” So as Maddie is grabbing [01:37:00] her bag and keys, she notices something on the tv. So apparently she’s had the TV on. Um, and Channel Eight News has the footage of Jonah being loaded into the back of the police car with a bloody nose. And Maddie’s like, “oh, is that him?”

And Buck’s like, “uh, turn the volume up?” And Taylor is in front of Jonah’s place with a photo of him across the screen, um, saying, “paramedic serial killer captured.” And Taylor says, “Sources close to the case say Firefighter Paramedic Greenway had multiple suspicious injuries in the field,” and Maddie’s like “they have his name and personnel for photo already?” how did she get it so fast?” Buck’s like, “yeah, good question.”

Ellen: Oh, Taylor

Alice: and then Taylor finishes with the LAFD has declined, declined comment at this time. But we will continue to keep you updated as this story [01:38:00] evolve evolves. Um, and Maddie leaves as Buck pulls his phone out and calls Taylor and gets her message bank. ’cause obviously she’s working and he just goes “Taylor”

Bex: or ducking his calls

Alice: or ducking his calls and he just goes, “Taylor, what did you do?”

Bex: Her job, Buck.

Alice: To be fair,

Bex: she did her job.

Alice: She, yeah, like she, yes she knew insider information, but she didn’t drop the story before he was arrested. Like he was arrested and then she just already happened to like, know some information already. Yeah, exactly. Like she’s a journalist, she got the information.

Bex: Yeah. But I think the initial reason that Buck didn’t want her to drop to do anything with the story ’cause they didn’t wanna scare Jonah off because if he found out that he was being investigated, he’d do something

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Rash.

Alice: Exactly.

Bex: Um, which exactly what happened. Um, but it does,

Ellen: but now he’s in custody.

Bex: They don’t Yeah. [01:39:00] But they don’t go into it in this episode. But I think the, the, the next logic is you can’t have a headline saying “Serial killer paramedic” on the local news because it’s going to incite panic.

Because as soon as the 118 and the paramedics especially respond to a call, people who have seen Jonah’s story are gonna go, are these paramedics going to help me or are they gonna try to kill me? Mm-hmm. Like, how do I know we can trust the paramedics anymore?

Alice: Yeah. I’m pretty sure, like I, I have a very vivid memory of more shit going down next week, but she did wait until he was in custody. Okay. And if she hadn’t done it, someone else would’ve done it. It’s fine.

Bex: But she shouldn’t have to

Alice: Women’s rights!.

Ellen: So Buck is worried about them being targeted by, you know,

Alice: not at the moment’s, not

Ellen: their, their name being dragged through the mud basically by association.

Bex: I think, I think Buck at the moment [01:40:00] is freaking out because everyone knows that he’s sleeping with Taylor and that everyone is gonna accuse him of leaking information to her.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: They’re not wrong.

Alice: when it wasn’t even him, it was Hen and Chim leaked Informa information to her.

Bex: Well, Buck was there. So they’re not like a hundred percent wrong, but he’s very much, I think he’s very much worried, A, that, that he’s gonna get accused of by the LAFD of leaking information to a reporter, and then B, that it’s going to make his job harder because everyone’s gonna be second guessing everything that the paramedics do.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: And then there’s also C that she promised him. She promised him she wasn’t gonna run the story.

Alice: I’m pretty sure Buck, you know, without so many words promised he wasn’t gonna kiss a coworker, and yet here we are.

Bex: He never explicitly promised that it was an implied promise.

Alice: Exactly like it was implied. Like it’s, it was implied.

Ellen: Taylor literally promised him that she wouldn’t run the story.

Bex: [01:41:00] Yes. She like literally said the words. Yeah. Off the record. And I promise,

Alice: look, honestly, after what Buck’s pulled with her this season, I don’t fucking blame her.

Bex: Oh no.

Alice: I’m pretty sure she’s half checked outta this fucking world. Especially after last week where he, she saw him with Lucy. I’m pretty sure she’s checked outta this relationship already. So good for her, for getting that bag.

Bex: Yeah. I don’t care how good. I don’t care how good you are in bed, Fire Hose. This is her job and she’s gonna do everything she can.

Alice: Move your career forward, Taylor. You, you go girl.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: Proud of you

Ellen: both as bad as each other.

Alice: Break that story. Break that story, babe. Don’t let No,

Bex: but she’s also,

Alice: man hold you down.

Bex: No, I mean, yeah, I, I kind of see it from both perspectives, but yeah. Buck is very much doing damage control.

Alice: If Taylor went on one of my girls groups on Facebook and was just like “my boyfriend, kissed a coworker, lied about it after, and then only told me after I’d moved in with him and broken my lease, [01:42:00] um, I feel trapped. He’s now not wanting me to advance my career. Am I the asshole for advancing my career?” All the girls would be like, “advance your career, babe. Boys don’t last forever.”

Bex: They’d be all like, oh, you mean your ex-boyfriend, right?

Alice: Literally,

Ellen: yeah.

Alice: You mean your ex pretty sure he’s,

Bex: do you need help packing,

Ellen: take, take your couch and run, girl

Alice: pretty sure he’s still sleeping with that coworker. Take your couch and run. Literally,

Ellen: I assume that’s what happens next week, right?

Alice: That’s literally what happens next week. Yeah. Um, like I’m pretty sure the summary for next week’s episode when we get there is just, Taylor takes her couch and runs, um,

Ellen: poor Buck.

Alice: Anyway, we get this random scene at the end where the cardiologist is just like, “yep, cool. Good work being alive, Chim. Um, you have to stay here overnight.” And Chim’s like, “oh, I wanna go home.” And the doctor’s like, yeah, you can’t. And then Hen’s like, “oh, that’s okay. Like, you [01:43:00] know, you can never be too safe.”

Rah rah. And the cardiologist just like, “yeah, cool. We’re keeping you too.” And she’s like, “why?” And we’re like, “’cause we have to do a talk screen, you dumbass.” And they’re like, oh, okay. Um, and that’s about it. Like they’re, they’re both like, yep, cool. This is, this is fine. We’re fine. All g um, Karen’s like, Karen comes in and goes, yeah, cool. You’re also here. Excellent. Good. Um, um,

Ellen: poor Karen, she’s been so worried, but everything’s fine. He can never hurt anyone again. And that also seems very ominous.

Well, I mean

Alice: he’s

Bex: not, he’s not making

Ellen: He’s not dead!

Alice: he’s only been arrested, like he hasn’t been murdered!

Bex: He’s not making it to prison.

Alice: Yeah. Like what if he gets outta the prison van? Like Jesus Christ.

Bex: Athena is not gonna let that happen. That dude is not making it to trial.

Alice: But even in prison, like he could shank someone.

Bex: Nope. If he, if he gets,

Alice: we had a whole prison break episode. This se was that this season,

Bex: look, these threads that I’m holding in my hand, I am writing a fanfic where Jonah just [01:44:00] dies and it seriously, but Athena knows

Alice: Exactly. Bobby hits him, he hits his head on the curb and he’s dead. And they’re like, oh, that’s so strange that he overdosed. Um, weird. If only we had a d-fib, oh,

Bex: but someone stole it from the fucking ambulance. So we can’t,

Ellen: we don’t, we don’t have it. It’s gone. Oh my God. Well, speaking of Bobby’s bruised knuckles, um, he’s, he’s got a bowl of ice to put them in.

Athena says, “should I get you a steak too, or is that just for black eyes?” And Bobby’s like, uh, “it’s cool. The ice will be fine.” Um, and this is like kind of an awkward little conversation too

Alice: it’s just weird. I feel like they could have done more building with the Jonah stuff and instead the Jonah stuff was like two minutes and ins and we kept getting random

Ellen: and then we, yeah, we get this long drawn out denoument at the end kind of thing. Like Bobby’s like, uh, “probably not my most heroic of [01:45:00] actions. I certainly let my emotions get the better of me.” And I’m like, oh, that sounds just like Castiel. I’m like, whow wrote this episode. But no, it’s

Alice: funny because I, um, ’cause Supernatural Then and Now just got to the second, last episode, I think it is. No, the last episode. I just listened to the last episode of season eight. No, no, no. Of season eight. Of season eight.

Ellen: Oh

Bex: gonna say, damn, they went fast.

Alice: The end of this season reminds me of the end of season eight, where there’s all this buildup and then it just sort of finishes and it’s like, oh, that you could, okay.

But like, it doesn’t even build up that much. It’s literally like, you know, Sam and Dean go to the zoo. Sam and Dean go to the ranch. Sam and Dean go to a hotel. Oh shit, Sam’s about to die and Sam and Dean go to a church. It’s like, what? Just what, [01:46:00] what like, and this is sort of the same, like, it’s like.

There’s like threads of it through the season, and then it’s like the 118 rescue some spiders. The 118 go to Boston. Oh fuck. There’s a serial killer paramedic. The 118 are in hospital is like a,

Ellen: it’s just like one episode.

Alice: Yeah. It’s just, it’s weird.

Bex: That’s It’s the writer.

Alice: Yeah. Just like build it up more like, I wish we’d had more at Jonas and like more of Hen and Chim trying to escape or something and instead it was very quick and then we just like,

Bex: or if there was, yeah, if the investigation was more drawn out and Jonah had time to like Amazon Prime all of that medical equipment. Um,

Alice: yeah. And it’s, it’s literally like, oh, we think that Jonah’s doing this stuff, and Bobby’s like, oh, that’s okay. We’ll investigate him. And then Jonah’s like, oh, better kidnap Chim. It’s like you didn’t even, what, like, can we have a bit of like Jonah, POV being like hearing a phone call and being like, what the fuck? Like it’s,

Ellen: they didn’t have time for that in this episode apparently.

Alice: No. They were too busy talking to [01:47:00] cardiologists and putting and to putting Bobby’s hands in ice water

Ellen: traveling to, um, Texas. And

Bex: Texas.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Maybe if they’d, maybe if they’d left that episode, that storyline, um, that sort of story thread and put it in another episode, maybe they would’ve had more time to flesh out and do like a full storyline for Jonah and the investigation instead of cramming it into like five minutes and then having sort of the, the return of the king ending with like, they just keep.

And doing endings for this episode.

Alice: Literally like after Bobby and Athena talk about Bobby’s bruised knuckles, they go back to the hospital and it’s like, oh, for fuck. We’ve already had this conversation.

Ellen: Yeah. It’s weird split up like that

Alice: like we’ve literally had this conversation where he, where Hen’s like, fuck, we almost died.

And then they go back to the hospital later and they’re like, fuck, we almost died. It’s like, yeah, I get it. You almost died. I watched it. It would’ve been more impactful if I watched it even further rather than two minutes of the episode,

Ellen: rather than you talking about how it happening.

Alice: Literally they talk about Chim almost dying more than Chim almost dies. Like,

Bex: [01:48:00] and like the other part of that scene is that the, that Chim will always have Hen’s back. We knew that because he immediately jumped on board with her idea that there was something wrong with Jonah.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Like we don’t need him to reinforce the fact that he’s always gonna have that. Like he is the Thelma to her Louise,

Ellen: it’s cute. They have like a little bestie bonding moment at the end there. That’s, that’s quite cute.

Alice: And I love, and it’s cute. I love the Hen and Chim bestie-ism. I just, I don’t know, the pacing was weird in this episode

Bex: and I mean, Kenny was cute with his little juice box.

Alice: He was,

Bex: or juice pouch. But yeah, I just, you we didn’t need all of these hospital scenes after such a dramatic, um, yeah, it

Alice: like, and it’s like, I always get confused because I know, like I had the memory that there was the whole d-fib thing and for some reason I always get it mixed up with when Bobby and Michael, find the guy doing [01:49:00] surgery in his apartment.

Bex: Oh,

Ellen: Oh. That was ages ago.

Alice: And I couldn’t work out why I got that. Those Yeah. But I binged the whole thing probably in a day. Um, and I couldn’t work out why I get those confused. And then when I was watching this, I was like, oh. ’cause this scene’s literally less time then that whole, like, then that episode goes into it.

Ellen: Yeah. Well we missed at the end of the Bobby and Athena scene we had, um, Bobby saying that he feels responsible because he “let that man into my house.” And it’s so, it’s poor Bobby. He’s feeling a little bit guilty about the whole thing. But I mean, he wasn’t to know that, that Jonah was a psycho, even though he had been to a number of different houses in the last few years. It might have been a bit of a red flag. But anyway.

Alice: That’s right. Hopefully Bobby will be able to find another firefighter that he knows quite well that can

Ellen: Oh yeah. Who could that be?

Bex: Who has some [01:50:00] paramedic skills maybe to um,

Alice: yeah, yeah.

Bex: To help out.

Alice: Just fill in the gaps. Mm.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Thank goodness.

Alice: Wonder who that’ll be.

Bex: No idea.

Ellen: Uh, all right, well that’s the end of that one. Um,

Alice: yeah, like, I don’t hate this episode. Just the pacing is weird.

Ellen: If I, I quite enjoyed the, the tense parts. I thought it, I was on the edge of my seat and it didn’t help that my, my daughter rang me halfway through the, the most tense part to ask me to come pick her up from school, and I had to stop and go and pick her up from school and come back

Alice: Yeah. So, so it lasted like an hour for you, you just stayed tense,

Ellen: yeah. Yeah. It didn’t feel so short for me.

Alice: Everyone else was just like, oh, that was, that was three minutes.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Cool. Um, good. Like, it’s just, it’s, it’s annoying when we know 9-1-1 can build tension really well, and then they don’t like, it’s like, just, just a little bit more.

Ellen: Well, it

Alice: was, it

Ellen: was, it just, if they built a tension pretty well, it’s just that it, it was over very quickly and then we had all this mopping [01:51:00] up at the end that just went on for a long time. So, I don’t know.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: Um, but yeah, I don’t not like this episode. It’s just, I wish we had more of it.

Bex: This episode is one of those ones where you really do have to switch your brain off

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And not think about anything.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Do not question, just passively take in what is being presented to you,

Ellen: a surface watch only,

Bex: and then you’ll, yes. This is the kind of episode where you can be on your phone while you’re watching. Uh, for the Jonah stuff anyway, I think you need to pay a little bit of attention for the Eddie stuff just because you get backstory shit.

Um, but the Jonah stuff, yeah, you can be on your phone and you look up and like, oh my God, he is about to kill Chim. Okay. And then go back to your phone and just zone out through the last couple of episodes and you’ll come away thinking that this is a great episode.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Unfortunately that’s not good television and like Alice [01:52:00] said, 9-1-1 can do really good television when it wants to.

Alice: Yeah, we’ve seen them do it.

Bex: Which makes it all the more disappointing.

Alice: Don’t expect, we don’t expect every episode to be like, you know, perfect cinema. But it’s the second last episode of the season. Is it the last episode? It’s the second last episode of the season, right?

Bex: Second. ’cause next week is the last one.

Alice: I’m like on the thing, like, where’s the summary? Um, yeah, because it’s the second last episode of the season. Like pull it together guys.

Ellen: I think this is, might be the case of, um, of rewatching over and over gives you extra insight into what’s happening because like, I quite enjoyed this episode all the way through.

Alice: Yes. Well, I like it. I just wish there was more. It was just a weird, like Jonah’s like going from like stopping people’s hearts to bring them back to be a hero to, oh, I’m gonna murder Chimney. Like, what the fuck?

Bex: Yeah. And like they even had him mention like, “I’m God now.” I’m like, no you’re not, dude. Did you forget your entire storyline yourself? [01:53:00] Like, have you,

Alice: yeah, it’s just,

Bex: have you taken some of that propofol? Have you forgotten what’s going on?

Alice: Like he was never kidnapping patients. He just, I don’t know. It was, it was really good and then it just wasn’t, and I was like, what happened here?

Bex: And like I said, I could understand the psychology, but then I don’t understand the kidnapping and where that goes. And it could just be that I don’t understand psychopaths, which is probably a good thing. But

Ellen: yeah,

Bex: I also just feel like it’s really bad writing and just like writing the most dramatic shit possible for the drama’s sake, which makes me sad.

Ellen: The part, the part that I, I like. I did feel that the switching back and forward between Texas and and LA was weird, but, um, the action part was great on the, on the surface. So maybe if I watch it again, I’ll be like, okay. There’s so much about this that doesn’t make sense.

Bex: Now we pointed out all the ways in which it sucks.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah.

Bex: Um, it’s broken glass.

Alice: It’s just funny. ‘Cause like I, I have like my original notes from when I first [01:54:00] watched the episode and I had so many notes for like, the first half of it and then just nothing after that because like, yes, like I was watching, but like I was also just like, oh, that, like I didn’t really have anything to say ’cause it just happened.

Bex: The first half was good. It sets up a really interesting storyline and then it just, it goes for drama for drama’s sake and then just doesn’t know what to do with it afterwards.

Alice: Um, I do have a note here going 9-1-1. Stop putting the ha family in danger for a single episode challenge.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. We have had a few in a row,

Bex: but you know, as long as, if it involves Chim being shirtless, then sure. Keep going.

Ellen: Yep. You’re okay with that

Bex: Chim being shirtless? Yes.

Ellen: No, no. Him being in danger while shirtless.

Bex: As long as he’s shirtless.

Ellen: Yeah,

Alice: we’re

Ellen: good with that.

Bex: Yeah. They can keep putting him in danger as long as he’s shirtless while they do it. If they’re gonna keep him fully clothed and put him in danger, [01:55:00] but then there’s no point. Stop putting him in danger.

I mean, if you wanna have a break, how about putting some shirtless Eddie in danger for a little bit? I’d be totally okay with that.

Alice: I like how I just checked the Wiki for like trivia or anything. ’cause I was like, oh, did something exciting happen? And there’s no trivia, no fun facts, nothing. No. I’m like, oh, that’s cool.

Ellen: Okay, tell me what is going on in the finale.

Bex: Uh, the finale is just another day in the life of the 118. It’s members race to rescue a Cliffside Wellness retreat guru after his followers turn on him for good reason, mind you. Um, then they respond to an emergency call at an upscale hair salon. Meanwhile, Maddie contemplates returning to work, Eddie and May make decisions on their future as do Buck and Taylor and the 118 gathers for a surprise wedding.

But we’re not gonna tell you who. It’s a [01:56:00] surprise.

Ellen: Right.

Alice: Any thoughts?

Bex: I do like the way the summary’s got it you’ve got like Eddie and May are talking about their future. You’ve got Buck and Taylor talking about the future and then they drop a wedding

Ellen: like Eddie and May getting together. Like, what? What is happening here?

Alice: Eddie, that’s your boyfriend sister. Don’t do it.

Bex: Whatcha doing Step bro? Um, no. Sorry. Um, the triggers for next week are slightly spoilery. Um, the episode is going to include an alcoholic character considering relapsing

Ellen: Oh, no.

Bex: Considering relapsing or like

Alice: Sure.

Bex: Anyway, um, car accident, truck versus car. A discussions of past homophobia, uh, non-consensual drug [01:57:00] use. Um, maggots. Yay.

Ellen: Oh no.

Alice: Maggots!

Bex: Um, uh, memory loss. Um, pregnant woman and baby at threat. Uh, post-traumatic stress disorder, depiction and traumatic brain injury,

Alice: pregnant woman and baby at threat. Also a surprise wedding. Hmm.

Ellen: Hmm. I have no idea.

Bex: Oh, oh, okay. I just, yeah,

Alice: I just like confusing Ellen.

Bex: And the title of the episode is “Starting Over”, which is exactly what you wanna do at the end of a season. It’s start over.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. Okay. I’m, um, intrigued. Anything could happen. I have no idea what to expect it

Bex: a wedding. At least, you know, wedding’s gonna happen.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: You just don’t know who’s getting married.

Ellen: Yeah. That’ll be a surprise. Just like it says a surprise wedding.

Alice: Do you wanna take a [01:58:00] guess at whose wedding?

Ellen: Uh, no, because I’m pretty sure the only people I know who are getting married are, um, uh, are Chim and Maddie, and I don’t think that’s yet. I think that’s later,

Alice: well they’re still broken up, so.

Ellen: Yeah. So I don’t know who else,

Alice: I mean, in this episode

Ellen: it might be anyway. Um, we’ll find out. I’m not willing to make a guess because I have no idea.

Bex: Uh, you’re no fun

Alice: if you haven’t listened and have any theories

Ellen: if you’re watching for the first time.

Bex: Yes. If you are listening to us and you have never seen 9-1-1 before,

Alice: we’re sorry.

Bex: Why aren’t you listening to us?

Ellen: No, I mean, this next episode there might be someone who’s crazy enough to watch along with me.

Alice: I just want more of this episode. Like I’m just still a little bit hungry after finishing it.

Ellen: Well, I’m guessing you just finished it and went straight onto the, the next one. So, you know, maybe [01:59:00] it’s a good penultimate episode for the season.

Alice: I mean, I did when I binged it, but I didn’t this week, so.

Ellen: Alright, well please let us know what you thought about this episode. Um, you can get in touch with us in the all the usual ways we’ve got our social media. You can leave us a comment on Spotify or on thatweewooshow.com on the actual episode post.

Bex: If anybody wants any thread to write some fan fiction to fix this episode, I have like a lap full of it. Um, and you are more than welcome to borrow some of that.

Ellen: She’s gonna ball it up and post it to you.

Bex: Yes. DM me your address. I will send you some threads so you can write fan fiction and maybe a sticker.

Ellen: Oh, that sounds wonderful, can I have some?

Bex: please don’t send me your address threads or stickers?

Ellen: Totally both. I don’t.

Bex: I’ll send you both.

Ellen: Thanks.

Bex: I’ll send you both. It’s fine.

Ellen: Um, and also send us any feedback that you’d [02:00:00] like to about season five. We’d, we’d love to hear what you think about season five in, in total. Tell us your favorite stuff and the stuff you didn’t like. That’s fine. You can also tell us about that.

Bex: Yes. Join me on my soapbox and tell me what you did and didn’t like about season five.

Ellen: Is, is there room for other people on the soapbox?

Bex: I can, I can expand it. There’s, I’m sure there’s, we can drag over more the ability to upgrade it.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Excellent. We can all stand on the soapbox.Alright, well thank you for listening this week and we will talk to you next time about episode 18, the finale, which is called “Starting Over”. See you then.

Bex: Bye

Alice: Bye.

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Alice: Oh, we have to write our, um, background firefighter fic this season, next season, Bex.

Bex: Oh,

Ellen: oh

Bex: yes.

Ellen: Is background firefighter in it more?

Bex: Oh no, no. Not Background Firefighter. But

Alice: the main story was just so boring that we were focusing more on the background firefighters and their reaction.

Ellen: Oh, I see.

Alice: To the thing.

Bex: Oh, I see. So not specifically background firefighter, but just like the rest of the 118,

Ellen: the, the background firefighters. Yeah.

Bex: Not The Background Firefighter. Just the rest of the 118. That’s the things like, you know, um, the main 118 get out on a call and then everyone is sort of [02:02:00] sitting around drawing straws as to who gets to, who has to go and drive the truck with them and they get stuck with them or coming back like, oh, you will not fucking believe what happened this week.

Ellen: You could just, that could be our season six. So like whole thing, like you guys just write your fic as we are talking about each other. So this is what happened in the background firefighter fic this week.

Alice: Pretty much like we’ll just do the podcast episode and we will mention the actual story, like it’s a background thing and we’ll just be talking about the adventures that the background firefighters are getting on.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: While Bobby’s calling them the wrong names.

Bex: There are some. I’m just, I’m double checking, but there are some good storylines in season six or at least one good storyline in season six.

Alice: I was gonna say, you mean the one good storyline in season six? Yeah,

Bex: I was being generous. Um, okay. That one sucked.

Ellen: I’m probably gonna watch it and I’ll be like, what’re you guys talking about? This is great. [02:03:00]

Bex: That one sucked. That one was interesting…

Ellen: Okay. Maybe not. I’m gonna be hanging out for your, um, installments of this fic now. Every, like, every time episode. Please, please do extra homework in between episodes and write the story.