9-1-1.
What's your emergency?
Welcome back to That WeeWoo Show, a podcast where we usually watch and
discuss episodes of the A BC show 9-1-1.
But this week we're watching and discussing an episode of
the Fox Show, 9-1-1 Lone Star.
I'm Bex.
I'm Alice.
And I'm Ellen.
And we have reached the crossover episode where
we have!
Yes, we have, uh, Buck, Eddie and Hen taking a trip down to Texas to
join the 126 down on 9-1-1 Lone Star.
Yeehaw.
So is this just like Yeehaw Wee woo like,
yes.
Is that literally what it is?
Just 9-1-1.
It's weewoo yeehaw.
Yep.
But with cowboys?
Yep.
Okay.
I'm, I'm down
or with Cowboy.
Yeah, there's one of them.
I didn't get that from this one watch, one watching one episode, but okay.
Is that Judd?
Judd's the cowboy?
Yeah.
Yeah, he does her little bit of a Yeehaw accent.
Anyway, yes,
this is gonna be a, a very different episode because while once again,
Ellen has never seen this until we, we made her watch the episode.
Um.
You made me,
I have watched, I have watched "Hold the Line", which is the name of the
crossover episode, um, and I've watched maybe two episodes of Lone Star and then
I said, no, and I, noped out, so I don't really know what's going on either.
Alice is the resident expert on 9-1-1 Lone Star, having seen, have
you seen the entire series now?
The entire series.
Yep.
Okay.
So I dragged my feet through all of season one, um, with my ex promising me
that it got better and as soon as I got to season two, I continued to binge it.
Um, so yes, it did absolutely get better.
I know you were holding out on the finale, but you've seen that too now, right?
Yes, I believe I, yes I have.
Yeah.
And I'm like, did I?
Yes, I did.
I did watch the finale.
I have this horrible habit of not finishing TV shows.
Um, but no, I did finish Lone Star.
Okay.
Um, so Ellen and I are going to plod our way through this episode, and we're
going to rely on Alice to give us sort of the, the context and the background
on what the hell is going on in this episode, um, because it is not the
best crossover episode in the world.
But we'll, we'll just, we'll probably discuss that a little bit
more at the end of the episode.
I mean, are any crossover episodes the best crossover episodes?
Um, well, I still, I think that they could have done a much better job
than the way they did this one, but I think that there's a reason why
we'll get to that,
why they did it this way, and we'll get it into, at the end.
Well before I, before we start, um, I enjoyed having only come
at it from one side, not knowing anything about the Lone Star side.
I really enjoyed the bits that, um, well, at least Buck and Eddie parts, like the
Hen parts were great, but like they, I don't know if it was Hen's best work,
like, you know, in terms of the emergency itself, but yeah, we can get into that.
But, um, yeah, from the, from the 9-1-1 LA side, I thought
it was all right, but yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe, maybe the crossover didn't work for everybody, but we can get into that.
So
we can get into that
So this is episode two, season two, episode three of Lone Star.
Titled "Hold the Line".
This is from 1st of February, 2021, which aired directly after the
"Future Tense" episode of 9-1-1, which we spoke about last week.
Yes, yes.
So last week on 9-1-1, the 118 were called to Texas to help battle a wildfire.
Yeah, that's literally all that happened in that episode.
Well that's all that's relevant.
There was some other stuff.
Yeah.
Well, we'll go back to that next week.
Yeah, but it's not relevant.
The relevant part was that there's a wildfire that um, may or may not have
been caused by the eruption of an dormant, it was extinct, but Tim Minear
upgraded it to dormant volcano in Texas.
I went back and looked at, watched the previous episode.
There is still no official connection between the wildfire
and the volcano, but I'm gonna assume that that's what caused it.
No one's sure it's fine.
Just keep going.
Um, and the uh, Texas Fire Commission put out the call for like all hands
for help and the 118 put up their hand.
And so Buck, who is had his name on the roster for like emergency call
outs forever, is thrilled to go.
He has to take Eddie with him.
'cause you know, that's part of just their relationship where
one goes, the other one goes.
Um, and then Hen who despite being the parent of two kids and in medical school,
decided that she was also gonna go
Yeah, well the pay would be really good.
So,
I mean, the pay would be really good, but yeah, she's got
a lot on her plate already.
It would've made more sense for Chim to go because he doesn't
have anything on his plate yet.
But I understand that.
No, I don't actually understand why, it was Aisha not Kenny, um,
except maybe Kenny took one look at Rob Lowe and went, Nope, I'm not doing that.
He, he's got a very pregnant wife at the moment.
Well, I'm, she's well
girlfriend,
not extremely pregnant, but you know, quite pregnant,
but he can't do anything, so now it would be the perfect time
to go out and make that cash.
Yeah, I guess so.
He did ditch her for a long time, so maybe she's like, you're not
fucking going to Texas with Buck.
And he's like, yeah, fair.
Yeah.
Okay.
Should, should we do the sum, the official summary for, uh, this episode?
Sure.
So this is the crossover, as we've already said.
The 126 is joined by the 118 crew from Los Angeles to fight
an out of control wildfire.
As a wildfire spreads across Texas.
Evan "Buck" Buckley, or this is this, this nickname business,
Evan "Buck" Buckley, Henrietta "Hen" Wilson and Edmundo "Eddie" Diaz from the
118 Firehouse in Los Angeles, arrive in Austin to help Captain Strand and the 126.
As the crews raced to save a group of teenagers trapped by the
fire at a campground, Owen, and Hen fight for their lives in the
aftermath of a helicopter crash.
And the triggers, um, the first one being Bex's specific trigger, which I, after
watching it, I can totally understand,
See?
Is Rob Lowe
um, but we actually have wildfires, uh, hallucination due to traumatic
brain injury, kids at threat, references to wilderness therapy,
which we can talk about later as well.
Um, images of burns, child abuse, um, firefighters at
threat of fire and suffocation.
Uh, we have references to 9/11 and references to Hen's ambulance accident.
Quite a lot in this episode, actually.
Um, so interestingly, when I first started paying attention to 9-1-1
via Twitter, which was during season four, I was very confused because I'd
seen a lot of ads for Lone Star and I couldn't work out where Rob Lowe fit
into the 9-1-1 universe and then found out there were two like different shows.
They were just under the same like banner.
Um,
it's a franchise.
Yeah, because I, when
when did, when did, um, lone Star actually start?
Like during 2020
during season three.
Season 3,
9-1-1 yeah.
Yeah,
yeah.
Okay.
So,
so this is season two.
Um, and obviously original 9-1-1 is in season four.
Um, but yeah, I watched a, like I watch a lot of Parks and Rec.
Um, it's on one of my rotation, like it's one of my rotational
shows that I sleep to.
And so like Rob Lowe is obviously in that.
And so I, like, I'd seen the ads and I'm just like, oh, that's
what he's doing at the moment.
But also, funnily enough, I worked with a guy whose name was Rob Lowe.
Oh.
And so every time the ad was on, like at work, I worked in an electronic
store, so we had TVs everywhere.
Um, we weren't just randomly watching TVs at work.
Um, every time the ad was on we'd laugh because we're just like, oh,
look at you like fighting fires.
Rah rah.
Yeah.
Turns out they're two totally different shows.
And, but yeah, it was very confusing when I had only seen ads, hadn't
actually seen any of the show, and was just like, oh, like I don't
understand like where the, like, why do I never see these firefighters?
And I say all over Twitter in the ads for Rob Lowe's show.
Actually, you know what?
I remember being in a similar position with the two shows, um, not, not
that long ago, like fairly recently.
Around the time when like Buck got together with Tommy, like in later,
later seasons, and I, and everyone was so excited and they were like saying like,
you know, representation, all that stuff.
And I was like, isn't there already gay people in this show?
Like there's already a gay couple in this show.
Like there's guys who are a couple in the show and I'm like,
Oh, TK and Carlos.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's the other show.
The other show.
Yeah.
That's it.
The other show.
So I, it was a very confusing for people who don't watch.
Yeah, that's it.
Clearly.
Whereas I didn't know of the existence of Lone Star until I found
out there was a crossover episode.
Oh, there you go.
Anyway, interesting.
Um, it gets into the, the drama quite quickly.
Like how do we wanna do this?
Do we wanna actually talk about Lone Star at first or?
Yeah, I'll do a summary of Lone Star.
So if you have watched Lone Star, uh, you can skip ahead,
like a minute or so, I guess.
Um, but if you haven't seen Lone Star and have just come in just
for the crossover, um, this is,
and you have no idea what the fuck is going on.
Yeah.
Which I think was most of us.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, this is for you.
So after an explosion wiped out nearly all of the original 126 Firehouse
New Yorker and nine 11 survivor, Owen Strand was recruited to lead a new
team of firefighters in Austin, Texas.
His crew include Judd Ryder, a gruff cowboy who is the only survivor of the
original 126, TK Strand, Owen's only son, an openly gay man and former drug addict.
Marjan Marwani, also known as Firefox, a viral sensation known for her
recklessness and Instagram fame.
Paul Strickland, a trans man known for his intelligence and bravery.
And Mateo Chavez, a kindhearted former delinquent who tries
to see the best in everybody.
Uh, also in the 126 is Tommy Vega, paramedic captain who has newly returned
to the job after taking several years off to raise her twin daughters.
Um, unlike in California, paramedics in Texas have their
own department and captain.
So Tommy leads to own team alongside, uh, Captain Strand.
Right.
Which I was unaware of.
And so it confused me when, um, you like later in the episode when they
had to recruit Eddie as the paramedic.
'cause none of them were paramedics.
Yeah.
Although apparently TK is dual paramedic firefighter.
'cause he was like dual qualified in New York?
Um, yes.
That's what they Yeah, that comes in later in Lone Star too.
Um,
I just went on the wiki.
Yeah, because TK is from New York.
He was paramedic trained, so he yeah.
Spoilers for Lone Star.
If you do decide to watch it, he actually jumps ship and goes into the paramedic
team later on 'cause they're down one.
Um, yeah.
So season two of Lone Star, which is not explained in this crossover at all.
Um, started off with a bang, a volcanic eruption, wreaks havoc across Austin
and resulted in the death of one of the 126 paramedics, Tim Rosewater.
And it happens in front of Captain Strand,
which is how we start the episode.
Yeah, we did work that out.
I worked that out fairly quickly.
But I mean, we never find out how this person died.
No, they never did mention, I don't really mention who he is.
They don't mention how, like what happened.
No, it wasn't until Alice wrote this summary that I went, oh my God.
That's who the dead guy was.
Yeah.
Did not understand.
Yeah.
I mean I figured it was someone who had died recently and right in front of Owen.
Yes.
But, but no further detail is given at all.
No.
Like if I remember I was going to rewatch the, for like, the episode before and
then didn't, 'cause I was busy with Righteous Gemstones, but um, I, if I
remember right, like Tim was literally like tending to a patient and talking
and then this like big like block of like
Yes.
On fire debris just takes him out right in front of
Oh
Owen.
Damn.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So it is quite, um,
quite traumatic?
Yeah, quite traumatic.
But yeah.
So Lone Star's very diverse.
The reason that they give in the show is that Owen's like specifically
told to build a more diverse house.
Uh, 'cause the firehouses were known in Texas were known
for their lack of diversity.
Like to the point where it's specifically said in the pilot that they had Civil
Rights come down on their asses.
Yeah.
Um, so, and the other houses are too slow to pick up on diversifying their crews.
So they see the 126, which was, you know, wiped out except for Judd, is the perfect
opportunity to build a diverse house.
It's like the flagship of Look, it can be done.
Um, so they recruit from all over the, the country.
So, um, except for TK, who just follows Owen.
Um, but yeah, so Marjan is very known on, um, Instagram and the others... There's
not real, like it's just Marjan and Paul really, because Judd's already there.
TK follows Owen, and Mateo is also already there, so Yeah.
But Mateo, Mateo wasn't a firefighter because the whole thing with Mateo is
that he wants to be a firefighter, but he can't pass the damn written test.
Yes.
So, so he starts as like a Probie
because his like, so all of them have labels and Mateo's
is that he he has dyslexia.
Yeah, he dyslexic and he is
Latino?
Let me, let me double check.
Yeah.
But I mean, even, even Judd who is like the, um, the survivor of the 126 who
looks like your good old typical Texan southern boy, um, his wife is black.
Yes, Matt.
Mateo is Mexican.
Yeah.
And isn't actually a citizen, which is a whole other storyline.
Oh.
So we've got, we've got an illegal immigrant on the team.
Excellent.
Yeah.
Very diverse.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
So, yes.
Um, Judd, who is, you know, white gruff Cowboy, his wife is black
and is the, um, 9-1-1 dispatcher.
Really sad that she's not in this episode because Grace is one of my
favorite characters in the show.
Um, but she's also not in the final season, so that's also shit.
And now that Bex has seen "Saving Grace", she is also mad about it.
Yes.
No spoilers.
Just in case anyone actually wants to keep watching Lone Star after watching this
look, if you, like, if you watch this, this episode and want
to watch Lone Star Absolutely.
Like it does, I do enjoy it.
Um, especially after season.
Like season one, I didn't enjoy at all.
Um, as soon as Gina Torres comes in, I binged it.
Yeah.
Like, I, I love her so much.
Um,
she's great.
I, when she came on screen, I was like, she's from Firefly,
it's Zoey.
I know she's in heaps of other stuff too, but
she's in, so Yeah, that's,
she's always gonna be Zoey Wash.
That's, she's amazing.
So soon as she came in, I was just like, yes, I'm in.
I will watch this entire thing.
Yes.
Um, but yeah, like the other cast, like the rest of the characters get so much
better and then it's, then there's Owen.
Yes.
But yeah.
Um, TK is also dating a, um, a cop, well, uh, yeah.
He's just a cop in this season called Carlos.
And so yeah, there's more diversity 'cause it's a gay cop whose dad is a, um, Texas
ranger, but he's also not in this one.
So,
yeah.
Well they couldn't have too many characters on screen at the same time.
The televisions would explode.
I mean, they can barely explain who these characters are, let alone
all of the secondary characters.
Yeah.
They can't, um, they can't have Carlos and and Eddie on the same
screen 'cause it's too much pretty.
Um, alright, so I guess let's get into it.
Let's get into it and then you can explain shit as it comes up, I guess.
Yeah, pretty much.
Alright, so we're gonna start with what I have realized is a dream sequence
flashback to the previous episode where we see Paramedic Rosewater's untimely demise.
Yeah.
So with no explanation,
oh, is that what's going on?
I was very confused.
Yes.
But then it's a dream sequence within a dream sequence because Owen is dreaming
about the, the evening when he watched Rosewater die, wakes up, goes to the
bathroom to like refresh himself.
And when he looks up in the mirror, Paramedic Rosewater in all of his
dead glory is standing over his shoulder, and then Owen wakes up again.
And this time he's in reality and he is in a, uh,
but is he?
A tent?
It's like Inception.
Well, it, it's not Inception.
I'm not, I'm not gonna give then that much credit.
Um, he, it is real this time.
He's in a, a tent at the base camp, um, in the wildfires and he's been woken up
because apparently the winds have shifted, um, which is absolutely detrimental
when you're trying to fight a fire.
And the one thing that I really noticed about this episode that I've got a
question in here because I was not gonna watch any more episodes that I
had to, was the color of this episode.
It's incredibly orange and it's incredibly desaturated from what
we are used to with the bright, vibrant colors of 9-1-1 Los Angeles.
Um, so yeah.
Alice, is this the normal color scheme for Lone Star, or did they just drop
the saturation and up the orange because they're fighting a wildfire?
I'm just gonna double check, but it's definitely more desaturated.
Um, but the orange is the wildfire, but it's definitely usually more desaturated.
Um, it's almost like they have a filter over the whole show,
which if they're trying to represent that, like the air is filled with smoke
and the sun is like filtering through the smoke, which turns everything orange.
It's very realistic, it's very effective.
It's just very shocking when you see it after.
Yeah.
Especially if you've just watched "Future Tense", which is, you know, very bright.
And then you come across to this one and it's like, whoa.
Yeah, it's definitely more desaturated.
Like the color toning is much different from 9-1-1 og.
Um, but yeah, the orange is specifically the wildfire.
Okay.
Yeah.
And Owen is like filthy.
He's like covered in soot, looks like he's been at this for a little while already.
He speaks to somebody and asks, how long was I out?
And the person said, almost an hour.
It's like, oh my God, he's,
that's all he needs!
Functioning on no sleep.
That's all he needs.
And so this, so at this point, as each new character comes on the screen,
I'm looking at them going, is this someone that I need to know about?
Like, does the, does the usual audience already know this character?
But, um,
yeah, like the, the chick Molly, do we, do we know her?
No.
No?
Okay.
Um, I will say, for those of you who know my usual rule, which is if a
character is name dropped, then I will name them, otherwise I won't name them.
I'm throwing that rule out because I have no idea who these characters are and
I'm relying on the transcripts and the closed captions to tell me who they are.
So yeah, then we get a bit of exposition where we cut to a reporter
talking about the San San Angelo fire.
Um, so it's been weeks long.
The officials are now saying the blaze has consumed more than 180,000
hectares with less than 5% containment.
And the resources here in West Texas have been stretched to the, their limits.
So help's now arriving from neighboring states and then we get
a convoy of fire vehicles making their way down into the hills.
Um, so yeah, we got fire companies from Oklahoma, New Mexico, and as far away
as California who are sending equipment and manpower to aid in the fight.
And then we cut to the 118 engine truck
And we all cheer, hooray!
they very much close up on the 118 and basically like point to it
because the, the segue is that, uh, the reporter is saying that it, the
arrival of all of these, these engine trucks and ladder trucks has to look
a lot like the arrival of the cavalry.
Um, and then as we see the 118 pull up, it sort of stops on the passenger window
of the truck where Buck is fast asleep, with drool smeared all over the window,
and it's like, this is the cavalry?
It's very much how, like they were rushing to the scene in the episode.
Yes.
Like two episodes ago.
And they were just in the elevator.
It's in the elevator listening to elevator music.
Yep.
Yeah.
I mean, to be fair,
and they've driven in the truck all the way here.
Oh my God.
It's, it was Hen said, 20 hours.
Google told me it was gonna be about 22 hours, so she must have saved, shaved
it a couple of hours off the trip.
Um, but yeah, that's a long way to drive.
I'm not surprised that he's fallen asleep.
Yeah.
And through the desert too, like Yeah, it's not, it's not
fun driving, I don't think.
No.
Um, so yeah, so Hen wakes buck up and as Buck climbs down, he is immediately
smacked in the face with the air.
So he like specifically says, "what's up with the air?"
And Hen's just like "The wildfire? That's why we're here." He's like, "No,
it, it feels like getting slapped with a wet towel." So then we get Eddie, who
is a Texan, and he's like, "Yeah, it's called humidity. Welcome to Texas."
And then we go to the title card.
So not only welcome to Texas Buck, welcome to Texas everyone.
After the title card, we cut to the, um, official briefing where, uh, deputy
chief DeLeon from the San Angelo Fire Department, who is the acting incident
commander, is welcoming everybody.
But while he's talking, Buck is doing a, like, he's not even trying
to hide the fact that he is staring at somebody off to his left.
Yeah.
Full on.
Just staring.
He's just like, his head is completely turned to the side.
He's flat out staring at Marjan to the point where everybody notices
and calls him out on it, like Hen tells him to stop staring.
And when he argues, "I'm not staring," Eddie chimes in and said, yes, you are
staring, and then you cut to Marjan who is standing over with TK, who notices Buck
staring at Marjan and leans over to her and says, "That guy's staring at you."
Um, and then, yeah, when Marwani looks over at the 118, Buck's just
like looking at the sky and like,
and
It's like, don't look suspicious.
And like we know, we know Buck, we know that he, I guess the possible
implication is that he's staring at her because she is a Muslim woman.
Like, maybe they're, they're pushing the, you know, oh, Buck's bigoted.
But you know that there's something else going on in his brain.
Oh no.
I thought it was just 'cause she was pretty,
I mean there is also that.
She is pretty,
she's very pretty.
Um, yeah.
So while Buck is trying his best to pretend that he wasn't looking, um,
the incident commander, who should be like, in charge of everything, steps
aside to let Captain Strand give a motivational speech to the troops.
Yeah.
Apparently, um, Captain Strand is the operations section chief,
which I would've thought that the incident commander would've been
like the one to give the motivation.
But Rob Lowe is the one not that needs to have all of the lines in the episode.
Um, all the attention on himself.
So he's going to give, and it's like there's even like the stirring
music coming up underneath to know, really target the heartstrings.
He doesn't say anything interesting.
No.
One last shot to turn the tide.
Cut a containment line.
Okay.
Off you go.
Yep.
That's pretty much it.
Yeah, that's about it.
Buck is still staring at Marjan to the point where Hen
threatens to call HR on him.
And we finally, he, we finally get a reason.
He's like, "I swear, I know her from somewhere."
He's just like staring at her hoping that the, the cogs would
click over and would make sense.
Um, it hasn't yet, so he just looks super creepy.
Yeah, super creepy.
So while that's going on, uh, we have the, the chick, I don't know
who she is, I don't know what her role is, but she comes up to Owen
and says, "We have a situation."
And, and Judd also follows them over to somewhere else
where they have a conversation.
And I, this is with the point where I realized that this was
Judd, because I knew that he was Judd because he's in Supernatural.
Yes.
He's Dean's siren, the guy in Supernatural.
He's the guy from the Siren episode.
And, and it was funny because later he's talking to somebody
and he's way taller than them.
I don't remember who he was talking to, but I'm looking at
him going, he looks freaking huge.
He's, he's a broad shouldered dude.
And, well, he could have been that the, the person he was talking to was
short, but I just remembered him not being that huge from Supernatural.
Oh no, he's six three.
He's,
it's just because
it's a big boy.
Yeah.
It's just because Jared Padalecki and, and Jensen Ackles are gigantic themselves,
that that's why he didn't look so huge.
He looked normal in Supernatural.
Yeah.
That's right.
Anyway, yeah.
He's a big dude.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So, yeah, they're, they're talking about, so there's been a bunch of
kids up in the forest who are camping.
Eight kids, one counselor, and they haven't been in contact, so they're
asking if they can get a chopper up there, but it's too dangerous, so someone's
gonna have to go in and find them.
Yeah.
So it's a camp for at risk teens, so the kids aren't allowed cell phones
and Yeah, they can't get an engine up there because the roads are all on fire.
And Judd's like, "well, you could go get to it with ATVs. Um, and I
used to ride around on ATVs in woods just like this growing up. So like,
I, I'm happy to help." And so they appoint Judd strike team leader,
and then one by one the others all volunteer.
Um, so Owen says they're gonna have an eight man team and take a medic with you.
And then behind them they get Eddie piping up and saying, "I'm a
medic." And he introduces himself.
But, um, he, they ask him if he's a paramedic and he's like, "I'm just a
firefighter, but I was a medic in the army." And I'm like, wait a minute,
wait.
Yeah, I had the same,
are you not a paramedic?
This whole time I assumed that because they had Eddie operating
in paramedic roles in the 118 that he was like Hen and Chimney.
He was a paramedic firefighter.
Yeah.
Like he's treating people all the time, like in a medical capacity
Because he was a medic in the army he has more medical knowledge, but
he hasn't actually passed the like medic or the paramedic side of it.
But wouldn't that be like a legality issue when you've got
someone who doesn't have current qualifications acting as a paramedic?
I guess it's like, eh, you're CPR trained, you'll do,
uh,
because, and they do specifically say take a medic.
So like he's not,
no, they say that because none of them are medics.
But yeah, as you said, none they need, they have specific, they have separate
paramedic team, so they would have to go somewhere else to find a paramedic.
'cause apparently there are none on site.
But so it just, so it works out that Eddie is there and he can come in,
but I just assumed that they went, when he started his firefighting
training, they went, oh, we, it's like that prior learning sort of stuff.
When you're in uni, they go, okay, you've already done these courses
so you don't have to do them.
We're just gonna assume that all of that knowledge is known and
they'll fast track you through the paramedic firefighter part.
Yeah.
Who knows?
Well, there are some things in this episode that they
get wrong for the OG 9-1-1.
So I am choosing to believe that they got it wrong.
This is one of those things that they got wrong.
That he is a dual firefighter paramedic.
That's my, that's my little world that I'm gonna live in.
Well, he is never in the ambulance.
I don't know.
Anyway, he goes with them anyway.
He goes with them,
they roll out.
Yeah, Judd specifically calls him "Hollywood" and yeah.
Meanwhile Buck is just like hanging around the 118 engine truck.
I think he's unpacking and getting all this shit out,
but he's all on his own.
And then Hen appears and he is like, "Where have you been?" Uh, so Hen
took a tour of the medical unit, asks where Eddie is and Buck's like, "I
don't know, you guys abandoned me.
Why did we drive all these, uh, drive these trucks all the way
here from LA just to park them?" And Hen's like, "oh, well the only
way up to the fire lines by foot."
It's like, why are they here?
Um, but yeah, it's so that they can be used as they see fit.
Yeah.
They're going into a motor pool.
Yeah.
So Buck's not happy about the idea of strangers on his, uh, on his rigs and
Hen's like, "No, there's no strangers here, just grunts with shovels." So
she throws a shovel at him and he is like, "Yeah, well, where's yours?"
And she's like, "oh no, I volunteered for Base Camp
Medical Unit, but have fun. Bye."
Yeah.
At which point Eddie comes back and Buck's all like, "oh my God,
where the fuck have you been?
Can you believe Hen's abandoning us?
She's not going up on the fire line." And Eddie is like, "I'm not going up either."
Well, actually he doesn't, he doesn't get a chance, um, because before he can
say anything, uh, Marjan rolls up in an ATV and just says, "You ready, soldier?"
And Buck I don't know whether it's the fact that she, Marjan is there,
that she's talking to Eddie, or that he's realized that Eddie is not gonna
be joining him on the fire line.
But his mind is just blown at this point.
He's so shitty.
He's like, "You're going with her?" And Eddie's like, yes.
I would also just like to point out that um, they have had a slight uniform
change for going down to Texas and the gray marle is really working for Eddie.
Oh.
Like, yes.
The filter that they put on this episode makes them all look so pretty.
It makes 'em look so pretty.
But like the, the light shirts
mm-hmm.
The, like the navy shirts are good, but you can't kind of see the definition.
But the gray, you can, you can see the, like, the definition of the muscles.
Um, I very much appreciate them.
Texas very much suits Ryan Guzman.
Um,
I swear that's, but I'm done.
I'm done.
I swear.
It's okay.
You can thirst.
It's fine.
She's, she's not done.
It's fine.
Um,
she's not done.
Buck has finally figured out where he knows Marjan from.
Penny has finally dropped.
Oh no.
She is Firefox.
She is Firefox
and Eddie and Hen both just look at him like.
And?
Who's that?
But, apparently he follows her on Instagram and she's
gone viral like five times.
Um, he's, he's so sad though, because he follows her and she won't follow him back.
Oh yeah.
For some reason,
for some reason.
Um, but yeah, Buck's very mad at Hen and Eddie for abandoning him.
Yes.
Yeah, he's like "Abandoners."
So inside the tent, uh, we get Captain Strand, uh, having a
FaceTime conversation with, um, Gina Torres, who, whose name is Tommy.
I don't know.
I didn't, I didn't know what her name was through any of this.
Like they say, they call her by name, but by her last name at I at one point.
I never knew that her name was Tommy until you guys mentioned it later, so.
Mm. Yeah.
I think he calls her Captain Vega at the end of the episode.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
So, yeah, I, I had no idea what was going on in this scene, first time I
watched, and I'm still not entirely sure I understand the purpose of this scene.
Yeah.
Well, I didn't even connect the, so he's talking about, talking to her about
Paramedic Rosewater's funeral, which was today, and for some reason I didn't make
the connection that that was the person he was seeing in his hallucinations.
Nope.
Neither did I.
I didn't, he was just apologizing to her for some reason.
I'm like, okay, this is an episode that we never saw and I don't
know what the connection is.
So, meh.
Yeah.
I also didn't understand why he thought that it would be such a big
deal for Tommy, that this guy was having his funeral today and that why
she, you know, would be struggling and he needed to check in on her.
Like,
like funnily enough, like Tommy just came back to the job and Rosewater was
just like, "Ugh, I don't even want her here." And now she's, now he's dead.
And it's just like, okay, bye.
Like, it did not affect me at all.
I was like, okay, see ya.
You were kind of a jerk.
Yeah.
So basically Owen is calling her to check in because he was a paramedic and she's
the paramedic captain and he's assuming that she's gonna take this death really
hard, but it actually seems like he's the one that's taking the death really hard.
And it's, it's all very much, he's deflecting his own trauma on her.
Yeah.
And she clocks that at one point.
She's like,
literally like, Tommy's like, I don't care, but you are the one that
had the guy die in front of you.
So like, are you okay?
Uh, but before he can answer, um, the chick comes back and
it's like, you wanted this stuff?
I've got this stuff for you.
And he is like, oh, thank God I can end this call.
I, I don't understand what we got from that scene.
It was just to be like, Hey look, Tommy exists 'cause we paid her for this whole
season and we should probably use her.
Well, I guess it's showing that he's struggling with whatever
happened, but I didn't really...
oh, I don't care.
work that out until much later when he starts seeing the dead guy.
So I don't know.
And he's, he's just, he just goes, "oh, I've gotta go." And then he just hangs up.
He doesn't even say,
he literally hangs up on her.
He's like, yeah, okay.
Bye.
Let's go back to some more fun stuff where we've got the strike team
heading out to find the campers.
And we've got Judd and Eddie in the ATV, um, where Judd is all set to
absolutely um, ruin Eddie, but for, for being some kind of fancy la boy
until Eddie reveals that actually he's from El Paso, so he is a Texan.
Yeah.
And Judd immediately is just like, oh, where'd you go to high school?
It turns out that they were in like the same football, I'm assuming
that it's football, that they were in the same kind of football league
and they like, they're two schools.
Well, it was state, like they, they compete as a state, so
like through state high school.
Yeah.
Things
I, I dunno.
But their high schools played against each other and Judd's team would whoop, um,
Eddie's school's team like every year.
Um, but he just, he looks so thrilled.
Like he's found a new friend.
Yeah.
And then, uh, the other two race past them.
And like whooping as they go by.
So, and, um,
Well, Marjan's whooping.
I'm pretty sure Paul's just hanging out for dear life.
Yeah.
Paul just goes along with the flow.
Uh, Paul and Marjan are best friends, by the way.
Okay, good to know.
Um, yeah,
and Eddie's like, "Is she always like that?" And Judd's like, "yeah,
always." I guess that comes with the Insta influencer territory, right?
Well, she's not really an influencer.
She's just more, she posts a lot on Instagram, posts a lot about, yeah.
She's known for doing like dangerous things just for likes.
Okay.
She's a bit of a hothead,
but it's not like she's, you know, um, getting sponsorships and doing
paid posts for cosmetics or the latest, like whatever soda is popular.
Yeah, she's viral.
She's not really an influencer.
Yeah.
Uh, but they make it to the camp.
Uh, they find the kids, except they can only find seven of them and no
adults because apparently the eighth kid, JJ was off doing his solo.
Um, and Mr. Gomez, the camp counselor went to look for him and never came back.
So.
Marwani asks what a solo is and Judd immediately answers.
"Yeah.
It's two nights mandatory alone in the woods.
It builds character and self-respect, but it's pretty, usually pretty
well monitored." And Paul's like, "ah, you know that how?" and Judd
immediately changes the subject.
So yeah, he asks if Mr. Gomez has a cell phone, and, but there's
been no call in eight hours, so it could just be bad reception,
but it's not because as they're checking over the kids, Eddie notices
Mr. Gomez walking toward them.
He's like wrapped in a blanket.
He's wheezing.
He looks to be in terrible shape.
He couldn't find JJ, but it looks like he got into trouble himself.
Um, because he is not breathing.
Yeah, he's not in great shape.
Um, he collapses.
They ask where JJ is and he says he couldn't find him.
And that's where Eddie's like, yeah, he's stopped breathing.
Yeah.
So Eddie takes over, um, and does his non-qualified paramedic stuff.
He's, he's putting, like, he's getting fluids into him, so they grab an
IV bag and they put him on a picnic table, which is nearby to lay him out
so they can get to him more easily.
And then they, they can't hear any air... like his, they reckon his
lungs are intact, but he, he's not, his chest isn't rising when they..
Are they giving him like EAR or anything at this point?
Like they're not, no, they're just, I can't remember what's happening.
They're just listening to him, um, and noticing that he's struggling to breathe.
Like there's no sort of inhale.
Exhale.
Um, I was trying to remember how they work out that he's chest is constricted
because if he's not breathing it's like,
oh, I think, whatever, um, magical, um, ability they have in LA to just
look at somebody and diagnose them.
It's followed Eddie down to Texas and since he's like the breaking paramedic
in this scene, he gets the ability.
Um, but they do also like cut his shirt off and reveal that he has
that, even though his shirt seems to be perfectly intact, um, he's got
I was wondering that, I was like, how, how did his chest get burned?
Yeah,
when his shirt's fine.
I dunno, but like, like very uh, very deep.
Um, very,
my only assumption is that he got like close to the fire and so his skin,
no, but the shirt, the shirt should have done something as well,
surely the fabric...
no, because like when you are in the sun for a long time, right?
Your shirt doesn't catch on fire, but your skin still can burn.
Like, you can still get second degree burns from the sun,
but he's got like full thickness burns under a perfectly intact shirt.
Yeah, the fire's hot.
It's fine.
Maybe he breathed in hot air and it burned him from the inside?
Anyway.
So they have to cut his chest.
Yes.
For the drama.
He, they, for the drama of the reveal of them cutting open his shirt, reveal
that he's got like full thickness burns and the, it's, um, Eddie informs us via
Marjan that the burn tissue is called "eschar" and it is constricting his chest.
It won't expand, um, when the lungs, uh, fill up.
So he's struggling to breathe.
So they're going to have to cut through that burn tissue
to give his lungs room to move.
And they're gonna have to do it now on the picnic table.
Well, they do have a bag.
Yeah.
So that's how they worked out that there was nothing filling his lungs.
'cause they did bag him and it wasn't doing anything.
What you mean like trying to give him extra oxygen or something?
Yeah.
Okay.
And then they, they get him ready and Eddie says, he looks at Marjan.
And he goes, "I hope you're not squeamish." And I'm like, oh no.
She, she's like, come on.
And I'm just like hiding behind my fingers.
I just found it incredibly ironic that the, um, the incision that Eddie
makes is he does the like traditional autopsy y incision, which is what
we saw Hen doing in the previous episode on an actual cadaver.
Yeah, well not Hen doing it, but like the people around Hen
and she was participating it, so I just found that funny.
Yeah.
But it works.
Eddie didn't faint.
No.
And he was doing it on a A live person.
A live person, yes.
Oh my God.
And it works.
I don't know whether it's the fact that...
probably smells like barbecue.
Ew.
I don't know whether it's the fact that his lungs now have room to move
or the pain of being cut open while he is still like un anesthetized.
But it works.
And uh, Mr. Gomez wakes up and immediate, his first word is
"JJ, like, where the hell is JJ?"
And uh, they're trying to say to him like, take it easy.
Take it easy.
And Marjan says, "Nicely done, Diaz." And Eddie goes, "You too, Firefox."
And it's like, hang on, you didn't know who she was a minute ago.
You just taking this knowledge from Buck now and claiming it as your own knowledge.
But I mean, we can sort of assume that that's how Eddie operates.
Like Buck just tells him random weird stuff and he just takes
it in, you know, for later.
I mean, he did he did say in the last episode that, you know, sometimes
he can know the weird stuff.
So I mean, it is possible that he knew who Firefox was.
But I assume that yeah, he's just absorbed that knowledge from Buck.
Yeah.
He's absorbed it
and he's using it to make himself look good and to forge a connection with her.
Um, and then speaking of Buck, we go to see what he's doing.
So while Eddie's riding around in ATVs and performing emergency
surgery, um, Buck is with TK and Mateo
digging a firebreak,
and they're holding the line,
But Buck is reenacting Disney's holes.
Um,
"I'm tired of digging grandpa."
"Well, that's too damn bad." I mean, he's not actually, they're not digging down.
The, the purpose is they're removing the vegetation and they're loosening
the soil because the soil, if it's loose like that, there'll be more ox.
It's easier to use it to a throw on the fire.
And it also, um, absorbs the fire and stops the fire from sort of going further.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, so they're digging
and just like, um, Judd was like digging for information from Eddie about
being in LA, Mateo is also wanting, is fascinated by the fact that Buck
is from LA but for a different reason.
Uh, yeah.
So Mateo has a cousin in LA called Marvin
You don't say, really?
And he's like, "oh, people say we look alike. Maybe you know him." Um, so the
joke here is that Mateo is played by the same actor who played the Car Thief
that a Athena arrested in season two?
I think it's like the start of season two, I thinks two.
Episode two.
Yeah.
It was just before the earthquake.
Yes, it was the earthquake.
Yeah.
So it was, yeah.
The beginning of season two.
Yeah, the beginning of season two.
Um, so yeah, it's the same actor.
They liked him so much, they shipped him down to Texas.
Um, but yeah, so they, they look very alike because they're the same person.
But yeah, so Buck's like, "yeah, it's, it's kind of a big place." And Mateo's
like, "no, no, I know, his, his last name's Chavez." Buck's like "Yeah.
I, I don't think so." But yeah, Mateo explains, "He's in jail
anyway," and then they start talking about their crazy calls.
So Buck's like, "Yeah, you have no idea." But TK is like, "yeah, we get our fair
share in Texas," and Mateo's just like, "Oh, you ever get a call in Disneyland?"
And Buck's like, "That's Orange County."
But I just think it's funny 'cause they're, the two different shows
obviously have like have the same level of dramatic everything.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And, but it just happened that they just needed to, you know, one up
each other in terms of what happened.
It's very cute.
Yeah.
So Mateo is like, "oh, but like Orange County's LA, right?" And Buck's just like
"Yeah, sure." And yeah, so apparently that's the only place they don't go.
Yeah.
So we're always wondering like, how far out does the 118's kind
of sphere of responsibility go?
Apparently not Orange County.
They don't go
not to Disneyland.
They like when they're initiated into like the 118, Bobby takes them up on
the roof and is just like, "Everything the light touches is our kingdom."
That dark place over there?
With the castle?
We don't go there.
No, we don't go there.
You must never go there.
But the, the mention of Disneyland, um, prompts Buck to go, "oh, well we did get
called to an amusement park once. You know, I, I had to scale a rollercoaster
'cause there was a guy hanging from by his bare hands," and I'm watching
this going, Buck that traumatized you.
Yeah, that was, and they're like, "Oh, you saved a guy hanging
from a rollercoaster?" uh,
He's like, "Ah, actually no."
but yeah, good job Buck,
poor Buck.
Thanks for bringing that up.
But then that prompts TK to go, "oh, you had a guy who let go. Well, I had a
woman almost drown on me in less than a foot of water. She was trapped in a bus"
"upside down in the middle of the street."
And then Buck's, like, "oh, you had a bus rescue? We had a bus
rescue, but it was sticking out the fifth floor of an office building."
And Mateo's looking between them just like, "oh my God.
Oh my God.
Oh my God." And TK is just like, "Yeah, we had an active volcano last week."
It's like, put it away, boys.
This is not the time nor the place to be measuring.
Um, and I'm pretty sure based, based on your like comparative
sizes, Buck's gonna be bigger.
I thought it was just a cute, like, bonding moment between all of them though.
Oh, no, no, no.
TK was like, he's trying to, trying to like get one up on Buck.
He's, he's eyeing buck up and down this whole time.
Um,
oh yeah.
Anyway, so yeah, while Buck's saying, "yeah. Yeah. I saw something about
the volcano on my Twitter feed."
Um, TK looks up the hill and realizes that a car, which is on fire, is rolling down
the hill and is heading straight for them.
So he slams Buck to...
this is extremely random,
knock him outta the way while Mateo dives to the side, because TK is just
like, yeah, screw that guy, you know?
Save the pretty one.
Yeah.
But it's not, it's not just that he slams Buck to the side.
He takes like, it takes him like a meter or self running and then
he launches himself into Buck to knock him off to the side.
Not the pretty face,
but yeah, the, I don't the car on fire, like it, it came from,
I don't get this at all.
Yeah,
it's weird.
It came from the hills.
The hills were on fire.
What the fuck is a car doing up in those hills?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, we find out in a minute because a dog jumps outta
the driver's seat and I'm like, what the, does the dog drive the C
Like, don't what is going on here?
I'm so confused.
Well, no, I mean, they do explain the dog part because the, the driver, the
driver shows up and says that the dog must have like knocked the park brake off.
It still beggars the question of A, what was the car doing up
in the hills that are on fire?
And B, where did the driver come from?
Like, why wasn't the driver in the car?
Yeah.
Why is the driver not on fire?
Are you taking, are you taking your dog for a walk in the middle of a wildfire
and then you locked your dog in the car while you, like, it's all very dramatic.
Why was the driver not up the hill where the car came from?
Where did the fire come from?
The whole thing is...does not make any sense at all.
Whole, but yeah, whole thing.
Like for the drama, like even like even more for the drama than we are used to.
It just,
they just wanted TK to tackle Buck, and they were like, yeah, let's just put a
car on fire and then everything unraveled.
It's, it's the equi, it's like, it's the equivalent of Buck and
Eddie meeting for the first time.
Yeah.
But,
um, it's, but nothing, nothing really comes of it.
Like he, he just says
even Buck is like, "so that was weird."
That was weird.
It's like, right.
And then he says, "Nice move by the way, good reflexes." and then, uh, that's it.
Like we don't, yeah.
Nothing else comes of that at all.
And TK says "yeah, you too," and Buck starts having "Whatta
Man" playing in his head.
It's very strange.
Yeah.
It's, I think, I don't know.
It's, it's meant to be a bonding moment between TK and Buck, but just, why?
It's strange.
I didn't get it.
It didn't, it was unnecessary.
Like, I don't think
three quarters of this episode is unnecessary
They could have just done with the dick waving beforehand
this entire episode is unnecessary.
But
no, it is necessary purely for the scene that we will talk for, talk
about, for 10 minutes at the end.
All right.
I will say it is necessary for the Judd Eddie friendship,
which I think is amazing.
And I will, like Eddie fits in so well down here.
Um, so I accept that.
I'll accept the scene at the end, which I adore.
The rest of it can like go to Texas in a hand basket.
Um,
I do like, I like the dick measuring competition.
I just don't understand how that ended.
Like it's strange.
Yeah.
That the car was weird.
Okay.
The car was weird.
Alright, so this is coming from someone who will like, who likes dogs in episodes
and I was still like, why is there a dog here all and why you on fire?
We have checked in with Eddie.
We have checked in with Buck.
Now it's time to check in with Hen who's hanging out at base camp where
there are no emergency surgeries.
There are no dogs in cars on fire.
She's just doing basic first aid.
Um, when Eddie comes over the radio checking in where he's updating the
med unit that they've got seven minors coming their way with mild dehydration,
smoking inhalation, and one adult male who's coming in, in critical condition.
And he will need a life flight out.
And Hen upon hearing Eddie's dulcet tones immediately dives across the
tent to take control of the radio.
Yeah.
It's like, um, Hen just do your job.
Like, I don't know.
She, she has to get involved, which is fine.
I mean, okay.
It's her boy, so, you know.
Yeah.
But she doesn't add anything to the situation.
No.
No, not really.
She's not helping.
She just says "you're sending out seven. I thought you had, you went up
there for eight people?" and, um, Eddie explains that one kid's still missing.
So they're, they're searching and Hen says, you got about two hours of daylight
left and the wind reports are not good.
And she's like laying it down like you're running out of
time, like hurry it up there.
So
he is like, you're not my real mom.
Thank you?
Pretty much.
Yeah.
Um, so the couple of guys from the Austin 126 are Judd and Paul and they're driving
around and one the ATVs yelling for JJ.
And while they're doing that, um, Judd mentions that where they're driving
they may have already passed JJ's camp.
And that reminds Paul that Judd never actually explained how he knows
about the, the wilderness retreat.
So he asks him like, "Hey man, you never told me how you know about
those things?" And Judd goes, "yeah, I didn't, did I, Hey JJ!"
And Paul's just like, "you know, I never really pictured you as one of
those at risk camps." And Judd turns to him and stares at him for like a good
three seconds and just like, "and why the hell not?" And Paul's like, Hmm.
All right.
Fair point.
Keep in mind these people have known each other for like a year at this
point, so it's just like, ah, yeah.
Okay.
Um, funnily enough, Bex has now watched the episode and knows why
Judd was at one of those camps.
Well, I, I assume that that was why he got sent to camp.
Yes.
You don't have to explain.
It's okay.
No, we won't.
'cause I still want you to watch the episode because it's still a good episode.
It's like the one episode of Lone Star that I'm just like, yes, this is amazing.
And then the rest of it I'm just like, yeah, like it's, I like it, but it's fine.
It's not "Saving Grace".
Um, so interestingly there is a very checkered and controversial history when
it comes to these sort of wilderness retreats, um, for the at-risk kids.
And Paris Hilton is involved, which always kind of blows my mind.
Oh, what?
Yeah, so apparently,
okay.
Explain.
Apparently Paris Hilton when she was younger was sent to not so
much like a camping trip like this, but the same sort of troubled teen
industry where she was like in a, I think she was there for two years.
Oh.
To try
that's a long time
and quote unquote straighten her out.
And she is still suffering trauma from that experience.
And so.
A documentary got made through Netflix, I think, looking into
the troubled teen industry.
And she participated in the documentary.
And she's also been a staunch advocate for like the government looking
into and regulating the troubled teen industry because these camps
are just avenues for, they're like a billion dollar industry, and it's
just it's sanctioned child abuse.
The things that they will do to these kids in the name of quote
unquote straighten them out is in some instances straight up torture
Jesus.
Right.
I'm going to assume that this Great Oaks one that, um, that they're talking
about is not to that extent, but it's things like, you spend four months
walking through the wilderness with a backpack that has all of your belongings.
You're not given food.
You have to learn how to, like, you wanna eat, learn how to make a fire, you
wanna drink, learn how to find water.
That kind of, and there are lots of people who, and I'm guessing that they're
tipping Judd to be one of them who come out of it, finding the experience to
be very positive and transformational.
Um, most kids come out of it slightly traumatized or extremely traumatized,
especially if you've got one of the ones where, um, in an effort to
ensure that the kids don't realize what's happening until it's too late.
The camp organizers will come in and kidnap you from your bedroom and throw you
in a van and take you out into the wild
Oh my God.
Like Fourth Wing kind of business.
Yeah.
Sorry.
If you haven't read that, you won't know.
Yeah.
Um, so it, it's, it, it's sort of like sunshine and roses and daisies
in the episode, but it's got a, but the actual trouble teen industry and
these wilderness retreats for kids that they've a very, um, sordid, very
controversial, like, not even history though, 'cause it's still currently going.
Right.
Okay.
But yeah, just
yeah.
Far out.
You would not expect Paris Hilton to be somebody who would have had
experienced this and then be an advocate
and for so long.
Yeah.
Like, I thought it was sort of like a, like a weekend thing or like maybe a week.
Oh no, it's months.
These kids are not there under their own.
They're they're there to be fixed.
Yeah.
Or quote unquote.
Yeah.
Quote unquote fixed.
Yeah's, a lot of what's going on with these kids can't be fixed by like four.
Like I remember reading an interview with one of the
survivors of this training zone.
Like, "I know how to start a fire.
I know how to do all of this sort of like.
Physical survival stuff.
I don't know how to emotionally regulate.
I don't know how to have a conversation about my feelings.
I don't know how to deescalate a situation.
Yeah.
That would've been more helpful than learning how to like forage for food."
Yeah, absolutely.
Anyway, these, these kids have definitely come out of it more traumatized than
when they're went in because they've nearly lost people in the fire
and Oh yeah.
JJs gonna be super-
and
their own lives.
Traumatized.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
So they have found JJ's campsite, but JJs not there.
Mm.
but they can't see any remains 'cause Yeah, the fires like
completely swept through it,
so they still need to find JJ, but while they are still looking, we're
gonna go back up to base camp where Hen has decided that she needs
to do something to help Eddie.
And she has approached Captain Strand for approval to get a helicopter to
search the hillside where the Great Oaks Camp was before it gets dark.
And he's like, "No, you can't do that.
It's, it's right on the edge of the fire line.
The wind's bad.
You can't go."
No, no, no.
It's worse than that.
It's like, "I don't feel good about sending anybody up there. I'll go."
Yeah.
Oh, it's like, okay.
Uh, and I know, like I was trying to talk myself down from this
thinking like, this would be very much something Bobby would do it.
Like, I'm not gonna risk my own people.
If somebody is gonna go and do this, I'm gonna do it myself.
It just comes off so differently when it's Strand doing it.
Yeah.
Yes.
Or maybe it's just, I'm like, hardwired to just hate anything
that comes out of this man's mouth.
I don't know.
I didn't hate him at this point.
It was, it was only later when he starts talking about being invincible
and it's like, are you seriouS?
oh my God.
But anyway.
Yeah.
Um, so we are going back to the campsite and Eddie and Marjan just sitting there at
the campsite waiting for them come back.
That must have, honestly, that must've been the most boring thing for them
to shoot because they, throughout, like the next 10 minutes of the
episode, they're literally just sitting in this campsite reacting to
everything they hear on the radio.
Yeah.
It's weird.
But first,
but yeah, like Marwani's like, "Maybe we should go out and help," and
Eddie's like, "Nope, Judd told us to stay here." It's like, oh yeah.
Good boy.
Good boy Eddie.
Because he doesn't have Buck with him, so he is gonna, like, he's
remembered how to follow orders.
He also, I think he really like, I think he likes Judd as well, as much
as Judd likes him, so, you know,
um, so yeah, Marwani's like, "how can you be so calm under literal fire?"
And Eddie's like, "well, no one's shooting at us." And then even
though there's no reception, apparently Eddie pulls out his phone.
Oh my God.
And in the most like,
oh my God, I just, yes, you are correct
in the scene that shows that no one in this show has ever
used social media before.
Yes.
Oh my God.
So Marwani's phone dings and she check checks the notification.
And Eddie has sent her a follower request on Insta, but she, her Insta
account's PR public, not private because she's gone viral several times.
So he doesn't have to send her a follower request.
He can just follow.
Oh my God.
And so, yeah, she's like, "oh, like you wanna follow me on Insta?" and
Eddie's like, "oh, I heard you put a lot of effort, effort into it.
And I was curious." So she goes, "I'll show you mine if you show me
yours." so then they look at each other's accounts, which like possibly
Eddie's was private because he does have photos of his kid on there.
I'm gonna say that Eddie's is private.
Yeah.
Makes total sense that Eddie's is private.
But I don't understand why Marwani's would be private.
No, that doesn't make any sense.
Is there a setting where if you've got a public profile, you can still
set it that anyone who wants to.
No, that doesn't make sense.
No, no.
It's just public.
Like, they just don't understand how Instagram works.
Oh my gosh.
I think they think it's like Facebook where like they,
oh, they probably do.
Oh my God.
Anyway.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Yeah, they look at each other's accounts,
they follow each other.
Um, Eddie's like, oh, that's a Prius in the air.
And Yeah, a tornado dropped it between two buildings.
Um, Marwani's is like, "oh, is this your kid?" "Yep, that's Christopher.
He's my world." Doing the whole, you know, single dad thing.
At which point I went, no, you're not.
You've got Buck.
Yeah, but then that's just me.
And then, Marjan's like, "You did not build him a skateboard." And Eddie
just goes, "Yeah, well, Buck helped."
Aw.
And all the Supernatural people go, Aw,
Cas helped.
Just squealed.
Cas helped.
But yes.
"Is, is that the creepy guy that was staring at me before?" And Eddie's
like, "He's harmless, mostly."
Eddie.
Eddie, when has he harmed you?
He's, he's harmless, uh, except, you know, when he's suing the, the entire, um.
It's fine, it's fine.
We won't talk about that.
He's never done anything wrong in his entire life.
No, that's Eddie who's never done anything wrong in his entire life
because he's got a silver star.
Oh, that's right.
'cause he's got a silver star.
He would never do anything illegal, especially that illegal fight club.
But he was just going through some things.
It was fine.
But yeah, so then they get, uh, over the radio, the dispatcher, um,
asks for the current location 'cause they're sending air support and
Eddie is like "Air support? Who's crazy enough to go in something
like go up in something like this?"
Cut to,
and then we get to Owen Strand pulling up at the helicopter.
Yep,
yep.
He's crazy enough apparently.
And so is Hen,
but so is Hen Yes, because she's climbing into the helicopter on the other side,
um, tot which Owen is not impressed and wants to know what she's doing there.
And Hen says that she's coming with him because while it might be too dangerous
for her to go, it's too dangerous for Owen to go without a medic and
Sure.
Why not?
The pilot says, you know, "We're burning daylight.
We gotta go.
If we're going, we gotta go now." And Strand just sort of stares
her and says, "I'm not crazy about this, Henrietta." And Hen looks like
she's about to rip his head off.
She's like, "Yeah, me neither. Call me Hen."
At first I thought that that Owen Strand was gonna be flying the helicopter.
I'm like, oh no, not him,
oh, I wouldn't put it past him,
but no, then, then it becomes clear.
There's actually a pilot.
We've, no, we've got Mark.
I mean they mostly forget about Mark, but Mark is there.
So they make contact with Judd, they get his location.
Um, Hen is scanning the hills underneath the helicopter with uh,
basically infrared and she finds a heat signature, which they assume is JJ.
And so Owen, who can see Judd and Paul guide their ATV toward
where the heat signature is.
And they find JJ,
they find JJ!
Meanwhile, and we can, the weird thing is that, so we are cutting back and forth
between Judd and Paul in the ATV, Hen and Owen up in the helicopter and then
randomly back to Eddie and Marjan, who are just sitting there with popcorn listening
to this all play out over the radio.
So weird.
They're not contributing.
They're literally just listening,
we can't forget about them.
Yeah,
I mean, we probably could.
As they get closer, um, JJ actually starts calling out, like, "help,
help, I'm down here." Um, so they get to him and he, they find that
his ankle's caught in a bear trap.
So he is lying on the ground with his foot half off, basically.
Yeah, it's bad.
Um, he's not looking good.
He's lost a lot of blood.
So they hook him up to the life pack and Hen starts like
talking them through freeing him.
Yeah.
Before they start working out how to free him, JJ is very self deprecatingly.
Um, asking them, you know, either asking them, it's a rhetorical question like
what kind of loser gets caught in a bear trap running away from a bear?
Right.
And Paul's like, so "What?
There's bears?" And JJ "they were chasing the wolves." Like "There's wolves?"
"There's wolves?" um, the best part is, so at the end of the epi,
the previous episode, yes, I did see, we see this kid and he's like
trying to start a fire in the thing.
And then like these wolves, quote unquote run past and they're just huskies.
Oh, they're not,
they're so obviously huskies.
It's just like, oh no, huskies.
I did watch this scene and I thought for a second that JJ was the one that
started the wildfire because there is a, a part where he's trying to set the
fire and the fire like misses the little campfire and just goes out into the brush.
And I'm thinking, oh shit.
That's like the spark that starts the wildfire.
But then no, after the huskies run past and we get birds flying past,
it pans up and we see like the hills and the distance are like on fire.
So it wasn't JJ's fault, but yeah.
Quote unquote.
The wolves were.
The wolves.
Yeah.
Look out for huskies, guys
fleeing from the bear that was fleeing from the fire.
And the bear was probably just that dog that was driving the car earlier
probably.
Yeah.
Um, but Paul looks completely freaked out and JJ, who was, you
know, lying there on a bear trap goes, it's okay, they're gone now.
It's like, yep.
Cool.
Um, but yes, so he takes over the radio to Judd and introduces
herself as, um, paramedic Wilson.
And she says like, I'm, I'm sure that you are fully equipped
and capable to handle this.
And is like, no, no, no, no.
Please help us.
Meanwhile, Eddie and Marjan are listening to this.
When Hen goes, I'm up here with your captain.
Eddie's just like, oh, for fuck's sake.
And Marjan looks like she's praying.
The eye rolls are just epic from these two.
Um, yeah, so she talks them through placing a tourniquet.
And poor JJ though.
So like, Paul's like, "yeah, this is, this might hurt." And JJ
just goes, "It's what I deserve.
Just like my dad always said, I'm a waste of space." It's like,
I mean, honestly, I, I, I felt like slapping him too, so I
kind of sympathize with Judd.
Also, it's really weird, like the transcript calls him Paul, I'm going
to just gonna call him Strickland because that's what he's called in
the show and it's doing my head in.
So,
okay, well I didn't know that 'cause I haven't watched the damn show.
I know.
They refer to every, except for Judd, who doesn't get called by
his last name, but most of them they called by their last names.
Oh, that's weird.
Okay.
Which is why I keep saying Marwani as well.
'cause okay, that's what she's called.
Um,
right.
So they get him out of the bear trap.
Um, they start wrapping his ankle, uh, but he's crashing and Strickland keeps
telling Judd to talk to him to keep him awake, which he's, he tries to,
but he tries to, um, be nice to JJ.
He's like, he starts off with, you know, being the good guys.
Like, "I know that you think that you deserve this, you are wrong." And JJ is
being typical snotty teenager, and he's like, "oh, you don't know anything about
me." And Judd is like, "No, I was you.
And know sometime years and years from now, this is just gonna be another
story, but you have to stay with us so that you can tell this story."
Um, that's not enough to keep JJ awake.
Um, so then Judd tries the tough love approach, including the very typically
Southern, "I'm talking to you boy,"
just going, oh, okay.
Um, and he starts like,
"stop being a little baby."
Yeah.
Like, "oh, boo-hoo.
Poor me.
I deserve this.
Well, why don't you stop being a baby and grow a pair?"
And when that doesn't work, Judd literally straightens up and slaps him.
Yeah.
To the point where
I'm like, Jesus Christ,
he slaps him so hard that the follow through nearly catches Paul in the face.
And so he has to rear backwards so that he doesn't get clipped as well.
He, I think he also rears backwards in like surprise shock because
Yeah.
Oh, 100%.
Um, I don't think that's in the play in the, um, paramedics, you know, manual,
but it works.
JJ wakes up.
Yeah.
And um, JJ gets on the radio, uh, Judd gets on the radio and
he is like, "miss Henrietta, the fluids worked." I'm like, really?
The fluids?
Is that what we call it?
Don't think it's the fluids, but, sure.
So Owen's like, I'm, I'm glad to hear that he's okay.
Uh, he's going to get into the harness so that he can like, get
lowered down to rescue the kid.
Mark's like, "uh, nobody's going down with these wind gusts. We need to get out of
the air as soon as possible." Um, so that leaves the strike team to evacuate JJ on
the A TV, which kind of makes more sense.
And he's like, "yeah, I gotta go pick up Marwani and Diaz anyway." Which all good.
Except then all of a sudden for no apparent reason, the
helicopter catches on fire.
Yeah.
I,
and I watched this a couple of...
Did I miss something here?
Yeah.
I had to rewind.
I was like, what happened to the helicopter?
We didn't miss anything!
Yeah, no, literally the engine catches on fire or the rotor
or something catches on fire.
Something at this.
They're not even that close to the fire.
Oh, the actual fire itself?
No.
I'm like, okay, the helicopter's crashing.
All right.
It's just overheated.
Spontaneous helicopter combustion.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Um, so
the wind's blowing the wrong direction, remember?
Could mean anything.
And that causes things to blow up?
I don't know.
Um, so
Sparks?
I don't know.
Mark, Mark is calling from "Mayday. Mayday. This is a distress call."
Um, Eddie and Marjan look up and they can see the helicopter like
coming down over the top of them.
Eddie's now having flashbacks.
Um, yeah.
Right.
Poor Eddie.
If a helicopter crashes, Marjan is horrified.
Um, and we end this particular, um, sequence with Judd like running up
to the top of the hill to watch the helicopter go down into the, the hills
that are alive with the sound of fire.
Oof.
And I'm like, oh, no.
Hen she's going to die!
Would be real awkward when
Sure hope Hen doesn't die.
Like, could you imagine you don't watch
Imagine tuning into the next episode?
You don't watch crossover episode.
Yeah.
And Hen's just dead.
And it's like, oh, okay,
Sorry, you have to watch that other show to find out what happened.
The last thing you saw of Hen was she was going off to Texas, and then
you tune in next week and they're having a funeral and you're like.
What, what did I miss?
Yes.
Oh yeah.
I mean, it, it makes the stakes a lot lower when you know that they're gonna
like both of them are gonna survive like
100 percent.
And that's the other thing, like there's no way that would be killing off Rob Lowe.
So you know a hundred percent that he's gonna survive.
That's it.
Like I'd seen all of 9-1-1 before I started watching Lone Star.
And so watching, like when I got up to the crossover, I was just like, okay.
Because like I knew 'cause nine, uh, Lone Star was almost in the
final season as well and I knew that like Captain Strand was in it.
So I was like, well it's kind of low stakes.
Mm-hmm.
Very low stakes.
So we come back from commercial and
to TK and Buck still having their um, measuring competition.
Yeah.
Because it's, but it's gone beyond just the um, the emergency calls
and they're, now we're up to which state has the best natural disasters.
And while Los Angeles has earthquakes, um, Texas apparently has solar storms
and I'm with Buck when he is like, I don't even know what that is.
Yeah, you can't even see it.
And Mateo's like, guys, don't you see what you're doing?
You're literally having a dick measuring competition.
I mean, you are falling into the classic Iron Man versus Captain America trap.
I mean, that's pretty much what he said.
"Is Captain America better because he is a super soldier with an indestructible
shield or is Tony Stark better?
'cause he is a tech genius with a sick, weaponized suit.
Um, neither's better, that's the point.
Uh, they're both badass and when they team up, nobody could
beat them except maybe Thanos."
Thanos definitely beat them.
Yeah.
At this point before they can respond, they reach an ATV where Eddie and
Marjan are sitting, and TK and Buck are a little bit snarky with them.
Like, "Ooh, I'm glad to see strike team's already got their feet up.
You guys must be exhausted from all that go-karting up and down the
hill." And Marwani just looks at them and goes, "You didn't hear did
you?" And TK is like, "Hear what?"
No, no one told me my dad's almost dead again.
That's fine.
Well see, at this point I didn't realize it was his dad
Again.
No, I didn't, I didn't realize it was his dad until just the next bit where
he was saying something about his dad.
When, um, they go after obviously hearing that his dad has crashed,
he immediately goes to De Leon to get permission to go after him.
Um, but before we get that, we do confirm that everyone survived the crash
except for like Mark's in bad shape.
But, um, he's fine.
Owen appears to be in okay shape, but must have had a head injury at
some point, which we didn't see.
No, he just starts getting dizzy and stuff later, right.
Apart from the hallucinations,
but we don't see what could have caused that.
But anyway, um, the helicopter's down.
It's surrounded by flames.
The radio is dead.
They have no cell reception.
Maybe they should just start sending dms through Insta.
'cause apparently Instas getting reception even if nothing else is.
Yeah.
Literally it's, yeah.
But the, the wind sort of whips up and starts whistling and Owen says,
"Do you feel that? It's a firestorm. It's making its own, it's creating
its own wind." Pulls out this map.
They start showing Hen where they could possibly go for shelter.
And then he stops and he goes, "Do you feel that it's making its
own wind? It's firestorm." And Hen just sort of looks at him.
He's like, "what?" Hen's like, "You've just repeated yourself."
And then we get Owen being absolutely the worst patient in the world
because she starts running like a concussion checklist on him.
Like, "do you know what day it is?" And he's like, "it's
nighttime." It's not helpful.
"Owen, do you know where you are?"
Yeah.
Not helpful
"Somewhere I really don't wanna be." For fuck's sake, dude.
Yeah.
So yeah.
He has a concussion.
Yeah.
Which.
Owen very snarkily says, "So what are you gonna do?
You're gonna tell me to stay off my feet, avoid stress?" At this
point, the flames sort of whoosh up around them and Hen's like, "no,
actually we're gonna run like hell."
Yeah.
So they scoop up Poor Mark who has, what was wrong with him,
he's got a fractured femur,
broken ribs,
a couple of cracked ribs, and she sedated him, which is probably the best.
Yeah.
But then that means they've gotta carry him basically anymore.
But it also means they don't have to write lines for him and they can forget
about him for the next couple of scenes.
That's true.
He's not gonna take screen time away from Rob Lowe.
I mean, to be honest, in the next couple of scenes, I'd completely
forgotten that he was even there,
I hadn't.
Okay.
Justice from Mark,
well, he's unconscious, so
he's quiet.
I was too busy trying to work out what the hell was going on in the next few anyway.
Um, oh, honestly,
the first time I watched the episode, no, no clue about Mark.
Completely forgot about him as well.
Um, but this run around, this go through, when I'm writing out the
notes, I'm like, oh, mark, where's Mark?
And I'm keeping, I'm keeping very careful track of him.
But while they've scooped up Mark and they're running like hell.
I don't know where they're running to at the moment, but they're running.
Um, TK has run to base camp to find the incident commander to demand
permission to go look for his father.
Yeah.
And they're like, "No, you can't go."
Yeah.
But at this point, like you and I first time around, we don't
even know that it's his father.
It's just everyone is very angrily...
Yeah.
It's not until he says "Your father would be the first one to agree
with me." And I'm like your father.
Yeah.
Everyone, everyone is just very, very anxious to go and search, which coming
from 9-1-1 LA like we, we, we expect that.
Like Buck gets absolutely rabid when something happens
to Bobby or anyone in the 118.
So that's like par for the course.
Um,
yeah.
But it's only when Deleon says, "you know, we haven't had any cell con cell
or radio contact. Nobody else is risking their lives tonight. And your father
would be the first one to agree with me." At which point Buck is like, shit.
Seriously.
His actual father, not like his just father figure.
Wait, your daddy issues a course by your biological dad?
All right, so back to the fire pit.
Um, Hen and Owen are actually carrying Mark at this point.
Well, they're kind of dragging him along, I guess he's over their shoulders
a little bit and they find a mine.
Yeah.
Like a, an I I'm assuming it's an abandoned, a very old abandoned mine.
And they go inside, they break down the whatever's across
the doorway and go inside.
It's like the, the little building shelter thing at the top of the shaft.
Which has a, a big sign on it that says like, "danger mine".
Um, and Owen makes a comment that, you know, he spent his whole
life running towards danger, but there's never actually been a sign.
Um, but the idea is that the further into the mine they go, the more that they'll
be protected from the heat of the fire.
Unfortunately, um, the mine shaft is not that deep, and there is also
crates upon crates of extremely old dynamite in the mine with them.
Yeah.
That's not ideal.
No,
I'm sure it'll be fine.
It's not like there's a fire.
No.
And then we get Ellen's favorite part of the episode.
They have a bit of a bonding moment where they talk about Karen momentarily, but
um, Owen does say at this point, yeah, "You picked the right person to be in a
helicopter crash with." I'm like, what?
And so does Hen, she goes, "Oh yeah, why is that?"
And he goes, "Because I'm invincible."
It's like, what the fuck is up with that Alice?
Why?
Yeah.
It's, I, I don't know.
You don't know?
I don't know.
Okay.
I think because he survived 9/11,
that's what I assumed
and I can't, but I can't remember where he's, 'cause he does have cancer,
but I don't remember where he is in his cancer journey at the moment.
Yeah.
I assumed it was because he'd survived like the can.
I forgot about the 9/11 stuff, but I assumed it was
because he'd survived cancer.
Um, but yeah, I, I thought that this I'm invincible shit was like a, a
storyline that just like flowed through all of Lone Star, but no, they, they
whipped it out just for this one?
Um, okay.
But yeah.
But then things get hilarious for a moment because Hen takes the, the news that
Owen is invincible in stride and says, "Uh, well my wife will be glad to hear
that." And then we do a quick cut to the dead paramedic who has joined them in the
mine and says, "oh, sure you survived.
Great for you."
And Han sort of notices that he's looking in a place where there's nobody.
And she's like, "Are you okay?" And he's like.
"Yeah,"
no.
Um, I will like to say that I really enjoy Dead Paramedic Rosewater.
I think he's hilarious.
And I would watch, I would continue to watch, I would continue to watch Lone
Star if it was like every time Owen said something, Dead Paramedic Rosewater
just made some sort of snarky, sassy response that only Owen could hear.
Oh my God.
What a great show.
Yeah,
Unfortunately we don't get that.
So back at Base Camp, back at Base Camp TKs on the phone.
And I don't know if it's with Carlos or his mom,
what all it says was "Okay. I will. I love you too." I'm
assuming he's talking to Car.
It was either Carlos or his mom.
Yeah, I assumed his mom.
Oh, I assumed Carlos, but there we go.
The important part is not who he's on phone with, the point is that, um, Buck
comes over to him with a pizza box.
Yeah.
Because, because they've de just delivered 20 kinds of pizza
and he's trying to reassure TK.
Oh, TK is very worried.
He doesn't want to eat anything, but Buck says, "believe, believe that
they survived. And your dad is with Hen so he is in really good hands."
And TK can't stop trying to one up buck.
He's like, "Well, well Hen's in really good hands too. 'cause
she's with my dad." TK, let it go.
Um, and then we get, um, Buck saying, "look, my captain is
not my actual biological father, but he might as well be." Um,
we're like, yeah, we know that, Buck.
Yeah.
We know that he is like, you know,
saying that "He could have given up on this so many times and he never
did. Even when I used to steal the firetruck." and TK is like, "You
used to steal a firetruck?" And Buck's like "Yeah. All the time."
And TK can't stop.
He's like, "Well, I've done a lot worse than steal firetrucks. And
my dad's never given up on me." I'm like, yeah, you definitely have done
a lot worse than steal a firetruck.
Yeah, TKs done a lot worse Buck's like, oh yeah, I stole the firetruck, which has
a tracker and like Bobby and was totally safe and knew exactly where I was going.
And like, TKs, like TK almost overdosed in an, in an abandoned
building, but sure, yeah, it's fine.
Um, but after they like tuck themselves back into their trousers and TK is
like, you know, "It just sucks sitting here doing nothing," and Buck's like,
"Well, what if we didn't have to?" And he pulls out a key from his pocket
and TK is like, "Is that..." and buck's like " A key to a firetruck?
Yes.
Yes it is."
He's gonna steal the firetruck again.
Gonna steal the fire truck again.
But not for fucking this time.
Well, no.
Apparently being in a mine shaft does not increase your cell phone reception.
Once again, they should just check Insta.
Um, Owen and Hen are both on their phones trying to call
somebody, get some kind of signal.
Um, para, uh, Dead Paramedic Rosewater reminds them "You're in
a mine shaft, genius. Of course, you're not gonna get any reception."
And Owens very studiously ignoring his hallucination and tries to make
some small talk with Hen by asking how long she's been married and Dead
Paramedic Rosewater just goes, "oh, good. Small talk." I love this guy.
I had no idea who he was, but I love him.
He's very lighthearted.
We should mention
sarcasm.
Dead, Dead Paramedic Rosewater.
Honestly he's much better dead than, um, than alive.
He's also like, he's, he's very quite clearly dead.
'cause he's got, like, his skin is as gray as you can get with all the
filters that they've put on this.
Um, his eyes are that like milky blue.
He's got blood dripping over his face.
He's quite clearly a corpse.
He's like super dead.
Owen asks Hen about.
Her wife and we find out.
Yeah, she like explains about her family a little bit.
Yeah.
And
yeah, 'cause Karen's a literal rocket scientist by
stay at home rocket scientists at the moment,
but, and she's like cutbacks at JPL I'm like, and COVID.
Yeah.
Although COVID doesn't seem to be a thing in Texas.
But see the thing.
Yeah, Texas didn't have COVID, but
it's not, I don't know that it was cutbacks.
I think she took a new position.
'cause at the end of season, I can't even remember which one.
End of season two?
She specifically takes the part-time job at Caltech, which is where
the jpl l it's at the Jet jet Propulsion lab is at Caltech.
So she takes a part-time position there and that's where they decided to have more
kids because Karen would be home more.
Yeah, that's right.
So like I mentioned, they kind of play fast and loose with some of
the facts in, um, in this episode.
Um, so we've got, the wife is the rocket scientist.
Um, Owen asks about kids, they've got two kids.
She asks if Owen has a kid.
Um, he mentions TK and says that Hen might've met him.
And Hen says, "Now that you mention it, I did notice the resemblance of
the briefing." And I'm like, when the hell did you notice that resemblance?
I snored, like, did you happen, did you happen to look over to see where
Buck was staring and notice the white guy standing next to her and
go, oh, that looks a lot like Owen.
I wonder if that's his son.
Anyway.
Yeah, I mean, it certainly wasn't like the, the brothers the other week
that, that you noticed right away.
But then they have cast, um, you know, TK and Owen quite well to
look like they could be related.
Oh, the funniest thing is that Owen's brother shows up in, um, like the next
season or the season after and I was like, wow, they've cast him really well.
Like he's even got the same speech patterns.
Like he's done really well.
Yeah.
Turns out
it's another Lowe?
It's just Rob Lowe's actual brother.
Yeah.
Oh, it's his real brother?
It's his real brother.
Wow.
Oh, that's perfect casting then.
Yeah, because I was like, wow.
Like even the speech patterns are the same, like such good casting, like
this guy's really done his homework.
Yeah, no, they, they're actual brothers grew up together.
That's, yeah.
Right.
That makes sense.
Um, Owen goes off on a bit of a tangent about his wife, like, TK's mother and
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Um,
yeah.
Apparently they're getting back together.
Okay.
We never meet her.
Yeah.
We never.
After 15.
Anything else about it?
Okay.
After 15 years of being divorced, we're giving another, another
go around, which sounds crazy.
Dead Paramedic Rosewater says, "You know what's crazy? Getting hit by
a lava bomb. That's crazy." And at which point Owen can't help himself.
And he's like, "I'm sorry," to Dead Paramedic Rosewater.
And Hen's like, "Sorry for what?" Uh, thankfully the wind shifts...
Hen's pretty creeped out.
Thankfully the wind shifts at that point and smoke starts getting pushed into
the mine shaft, which is like not ideal.
This whole, this next sequence is just so fucking stupid.
Um, so they both realize that they need to find another way out.
Dead paramedic rosewater is like telling Owen, "You know, you know she's never
gonna see those kids again. You picked a real nice tomb to die in though."
And yet at this point, Owen's like yelling at the like non-existent dead guy.
And Hen's like, "I believe you are talking to somebody who's not here."
You think?,
and Owen's like, "I'm aware, but he did gimme a good idea."
And Hen's like, what have I got myself into here?
Especially, especially because Owen makes a beeline for the dynamite.
Yeah.
Oh.
Um, so while they're doing that, Buck and TK are trying not to be suspicious.
Like they're literally creeping, like jumping from,
they're in stealth mode.
They're in stealth mode.
They're like running up to a truck and then sort of looking around
and then sprinting for the next truck to try and like hide um,
their approach for the firetrucks.
And we get this, um, hilarious moment where TK tells Buck, you
know, "You don't have to do this.
There's no reason that both of us should get fired." And Buck's like,
"Hey, my friend's up there too.
She'd do the same thing for me." And then he stops and he goes, "I think," and then
he stops a little bit more and his like face screws up as he tries to work it out.
And then he goes, "You know what? She would it, it's okay.
She would," I'm like, oh Buck.
Like, who are you convincing here?
Yeah.
Like, are you, did you actually decide that yes, Hen would, or
you just telling yourself that?
Yes.
Hen would, I mean,
probably, probably both.
Eddie definitely would, but
yeah, Eddie would, yeah.
At this point they find the 118's truck.
TK is like, "yeah, here it is.
Um, let's go." And Buck's like, "no, no, that's not it." TKs very confused.
Like, it's got 118, it's got Los Angeles on it.
This is, this is your truck.
And Buck's like, "Yeah, no, we're not taking that one. Bobby would kill me
if I brought it back with a scratch on it. We're taking your truck."
Um, funnily enough, I saw my cousin yesterday who is a firefighter and
he now works like behind the scenes more and he works on the fire trucks.
And he was telling me a story about how like the, um, firefighters,
like the captains are always like when he is working on them,
he's like, oh, like is it okay?
Like, what are you doing?
Like, tell me about it.
And they're all really protective over the truck.
And I was like, oh, so that is actually a thing.
Yeah.
And he's like, can you just gimme space to work?
Like, just gimme a minute and you'll have it back.
But Jesus Christ.
Um, before they can get to, uh, TKs truck though, Judd steps around and
yells, "Hey, dumbass, dumbasser." And, and would we'd like to discuss which one
is dumbass and which one is dumbasser?
Because correct me if I'm wrong, is TK the Buck in Lone Star,
like is he the young dumb one?
Not really.
Buck's not dumb.
He just asks a lot of questions.
Um, like he can be a bit reckless, but like in a, I don't, I'm trying to remember
TK from season one because he's a lot different in the LA later season three.
I'm trying, but I'm trying to work out whether Judd calling him a dumbass or
something that's a regular recurrence.
And so then TK is dumb ass and then Buck is dumbass-er He's like the next one.
Well, I assume that since he actually knows TK, probably call him dumbass first.
Yeah,
yeah.
Just to be polite about it.
But also I did have to, I stopped at this point and I looked up on
the Wiki for like ages of these two.
And scarily enough Buck is meant to be the elder.
Like not by much.
Yeah, it's just a couple.
Yeah.
By six months.
Yeah.
If you can believe the ages out of the Wiki, it's by six months.
But still Buck being the like older and more responsible
one is a little bit scary.
But anyway, Judd Judd wants to know if they stopped to consider the consequences
and they're just like, um, but then
they've literally frozen
the rest of the.
The rest of the gang show up.
Yeah.
Judd asks, did you stop to consider the consequences and Eddie answers.
And like, "you obviously don't know Buck," the answer being like,
no, he didn't stop to consider it.
Um, oh, so Marwani is like "You two didn't seriously think that you could
sneak off and drive into wildfires, did you?" And TK is like, "Yes?"
Uh, Strickland's like, "yeah, that, that ain't gonna happen." and Buck's
like, "Oh, you think you are gonna stop us?" And like, you know, puffing out
his chest and Mateo's like, "Stop you?
We're going with you."
When the hell did Mateo get there?
He's small.
You can't see him.
He was hiding behind Judd.
Okay.
Because that's the only thing that makes sense because you see strick, you see
Judd and Strickland step out from one side of the firetruck and then you see
Marwani and um, Eddie from the other end.
But then somehow Mateo is like,
Probie is just like, I'm also here.
Um, but yes, apparently they are all going.
So then, um, the, they load up into the 126 truck.
'cause you know, Buck's already got the keys and they roll out much
and very non stealthily rollout.
And there's like two guys sitting in the back of one of the rigs eating pizza
and sort of watch in surprise as this truck breaks formation and rolls out.
And I'm looking at them going.
All right.
Who in the crew are these two guys?
Like which executive producer is having fun doing like a cameo.
So if anybody knows if these are like any, anybody important, um, I'd love to know.
'cause the wiki didn't know.
All right, so Owen is enacting his plan so crazy it might work involving
dynamite and an old mine shaft, which just sounds pretty dangerous.
But anyway, he explains how them being a hundred years old makes the
dynamite definitely less stable.
So, you know, it could blow up at any moment.
Basically their plan is to blow up the entrance to the mine so that
the smoke won't come in, but then they will be trapped in the mine.
Yes.
Yeah.
And I don't understand this plan at all, but anyway.
No, nope.
I don't understand it at all because, anyway, so yes, the plan is to
seal, seal the entrance of the mine to stop the smoke from getting in.
Not realizing that that's also gonna stop any oxygen from getting in.
'cause apparently it seals it so well.
But we'll get there.
Um, because we still have to set it up.
So Owen is stacking the dynamite near the entrance.
Um, Hen is the only one who's thinking straight and she takes her
rush jacket, which is the yellow jacket that they're wearing, um,
rather than the full on turnouts.
Um, she takes her brush jacket, she takes Owen's brush jacket off him,
and she goes and hangs them on posts outside the mine shaft as kind of a,
Hey, we are in here, kind of deal.
Then she comes back inside with a literal flaming torch, but before she comes
back in, Dead Paramedic Rosewater sort of is watching Owen stack the dynamite.
And he goes, "yeah, for the record, this actually wasn't my idea."
Yeah, no shit.
You're a like figment of his imagination
to,
Owen stretches out the, um, the detonating cord, they use the
flaming torch, very convenient that everything outside is on fire.
So they've got something to light the dynamite with.
Um, so they, they ignite the detonating cord and then they run like three steps.
'cause that's as deep as the mine shaft goes.
At this point, I'm going, where the hell is Mark?
Did they remember to drag him from the entrance?
Oh,
like did they move him before all this happened?
They did just blow him up?
Yes.
Did they just like, did he die at some point?
So they're just blowing him up?
Yeah.
Why is he still unconscious?
Oh no, she sedated him that's right.
So he's just having a really good nap.
She must have sedated him pretty fucking well
yeah,
maybe she just keeps topping him up.
I dunno.
But I'm assuming that they've already dragged him into like
deeper into the mine shaft.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
But yeah.
Um, ignite the cord, uh, run like hell for three steps.
'cause it's not that deep.
Um, the dynamite explodes and the entrance to the mine shaft collapses in or upon
itself sealing the mine completely.
Because when we come back from commercial, both of them are on, uh, oxygen, which,
why didn't they just use the O2 masks when the smoke started coming in?
Yeah.
Yes.
Right?
Why didn't they
'cause like now they're poisoning the air,
like number one.
Where did they get all of these O2 tanks and O2 masks.
Did they go back?
Yeah.
I was like, did they carry them in?
No!
I think, I think... So it was either they, they had one because
Mark was hooked up to an O2 mask.
So where they stole it from him and they were sharing it backwards and forwards.
But then I was watching like,
and they just left him for dead?
Yes, but I'm watching and like, no, they both got their own masks,
which means at some point they went and got extra O2 tanks.
But then if they had the O2, why didn't they just let the smoke like
come in and then use the O2 masks and breathe that rather than Yeah.
Because apparently not only they've sealed the tomb off so well that
not only is oxygen not getting in, but it's also not allowing the CO2
that they're exhaling to escape.
Yeah.
Oh God.
Which it's so fucking stupid.
Yeah.
I don't get it.
Do not understand.
Um,
and how small is this area that they're trapped in now that the
oxygen has already run out as well?
Like, I guess they were trapped overnight, right?
Well, yeah, they, because when the 126 eventually get there, like it's morning,
it's morning.
Yeah.
But then when they uncover them, they're literally just like lifting
off a couple of pieces of wood.
So how the hell did that like seal off the mine tightly enough?
No, let's, let's not think too hard about it because it doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense,
but no, so they're, apparently they're getting a little bit woozy from like the
pure oxygen and the, the CO2 building up.
Owen apologizes for the stupidest plan in the, that man has ever come up with.
Um, and also for letting her get on the chopper so that she's in
this position in the first place.
And Hen's like, "What are you talking about?
You're invincible, remember?" And he is like, "yeah, I'm invincible, but
everybody else around me dies." like,
and she's like, now you tell me.
Um, and then we get a little bit of an explanation as to
Dead Paramedic Rosewater.
Um, because Hen goes like, "is that what's been like, is that
what you've been hallucinating?
Is that what's been haunting you?
Someone who didn't make it." Um, and Owen's like, "you know,
the people who didn't make it couldn't fit into this mineshaft."
Like, oh, for fuck's sake, dude.
Um, but like recently a paramedic got killed not two feet from me, and then
we cut to Dead Paramedic Rosewater.
I'm like, oh, that's who you are.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then Owen starts his monologuing and
it's like a therapy session.
He's like unloading it all on Hen.
You were, you were joking earlier that like T TK and Buck
were, like trading traumas.
These two are literally trading traumas.
Um, literally because Owen's like "I, I was in nine 11, I lost 14 of my brothers.
Um, you know, I, I feel guilt over surviving.
I feel guilt over the fact that I hate them for dying on me.
I feel guilt over forcing my son to, um, follow my footsteps.
I feel guilt over the failure of my marriage." And he's like, "Well, I
killed someone with my ambulance."
Yeah.
She played the cello
and apparently she's now 16 years old.
I'm like, what?
Yeah.
No, she, when she said that, I'm like, she wasn't 16.
She was not 16,
she was 20.
If she was a day.
She, I know that they drive a little earlier in America, but
No.
Yeah.
But what she would've literally had just, she'd be like 16 and like nine
months or something to, but, but it wasn't just that she was driving.
It was like she was going picking up dry cleaning.
She was going getting coffee.
Yeah.
She was, you, I, I know that there is like a junior symphony for the
LA Philharmonic, but she wasn't like soloing for the juniors.
She said specifically that she was the youngest soloist for the LA Philharmonic,
and I'm pretty sure they don't let you play a soloist when you're 16.
Oh my God.
They actually can drive in 16 in,
yeah.
California.
Because I think you only need to do like six months of supervised driving.
Wow.
But anyway, yeah, Evelyn was not 16, so this is what I mean.
Yeah.
I don't think she was 16.
No, she had to be older than that.
Like, this is what I mean when then this making shit up that
happened in the other show.
Um, not fact checking themselves.
Not that the 9-1-1 really fact checks itself anyway, but um, but with this
revelation, she passes out and Owen is very close behind her from passing out.
But we do get a very sinister, like "night, night" from Dead Paramedic
Rosewater before he passes out.
I love Dead Paramedic Rosewater.
He's the best part about this scene.
Oh, he, he's the, he's this saving grace for the Owen Strand scenes and
I'm very, very sad that he recovers from his concussion and he stops
hallucinating Dead Paramedic Rosewater,
Rest in pace, Dead Paramedic Rosewater.
We'll always remember you.
Um, and he can rest in peace now, now that he said goodnight.
Yeah.
But yes, apparently it is now morning.
So I don't know how long it took, the one 20, like, like
what's timey-wimey timeness?
I don't know how long it took, the 126 to get to where the plane, to where the
helicopter crashed or what time all of the like stealing of the fire engine happened
or what time the sun comes up in Texas?
Yeah.
I don't know.
But it's now morning and they arrive at the crash zone and everyone immediately
starts, well back in TK immediately starts scrambling all over the
helicopter looking for Hen and Owen.
And when they don't find them in the helicopter, they fan out
looking for them in the surrounds.
Yeah.
They can't find them, but they, they find the remains of the mine.
I don't know how far away the mine was, but I guess they were dragging
Mark with them at the time, so they probably didn't go all that
far before they found the mine.
So they see the jackets outside the mine and Marwani calls for everybody
and they go in, they, they just pull a few things away from the entrance.
See?
Yeah.
No, I, I've already said it like apparently tho those two planks
of wood were enough to completely make the mine shaft airtight like.
Yeah.
Anyway, so they, they, they clear the entrance, they climb in the, uh,
the 126 immediately surround Owen and get him out to the 118, get Hen out.
Nobody gets mark out, but apparently he gets out anyway because we later see
him on a gurney being pushed somewhere.
Oh, someone must have grabbed him.
I don't, I don't know where they got the gurney from because they
took a truck, not an ambulance.
Where did they get the gurneys from?
Where are they gonna put it?
Just like strap it to the roof?
That's what I was thinking.
Attach it to the ladder?
Just laying across the back seats.
I'm going to assume that once they found them, they somehow miraculously
like dmd somebody through Insta to um, get an, get an ambulance to the site
Firefox has been live this entire time.
I dunno.
Radio, the radios have been working so they could radio for help,
I don't know, but any, anyway, so they, it's, it's very stirring because
the 126 are taking care of their own.
The 118 are taking care of their own.
Somebody's taking care of Mark.
Um, and yes, that's the end of that
Probie probably got stuck looking after Mark.
And when Owen wakes up, 'cause he kind of, he sort of looks around
and checks that like TK is okay, he sees Mark is okay, he checks that
Hen's okay and then he passes out.
Um, yeah.
And then when he wakes up, he's back in the medical tent
and Captain Vega is there.
Although, to start with, Owen thinks that she's as much a hallucination
as Dead Paramedic Rosewater was.
Although hallucinations don't usually,
like, what are you doing here?
Are you here?
Hallucinations don't usually have medicine and bottles of water.
But you know, I've, I'd never had a full auditory visual
hallucination, so what do I know?
But yeah, she gives him some headache pills, which is
probably the least of his needs.
Well, they've been looking after him already, so maybe they gave
him the hard stuff earlier.
Apparently she arrived at first light and she couldn't shake the feeling that
maybe you needed a friend out here.
So she just came all the way down there to, you know,
say hi?
Comfort him.
I dunno.
And then ironically she tells um, Owen that.
Everybody put a real hurt on the fire between the containment line and rain.
'cause apparently it rained overnight.
I didn't see any evidence of rain.
Did we miss the rain?
No.
No we didn't see the rain.
We didn't miss the rain.
Okay.
There was no evidence of rain, but apparently it rained.
Yep.
Good.
Um, the fire has been contained and the 118 can go home.
So they drove 20 hours.
They were on site for let's say 18 to be generous and now they have to turn
around and drive 20 hours back again.
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Like I know they can't stay there long 'cause they've gotta get back.
So like next week we can have a like an LA episode, but
dude.
Yeah.
Normally the assignments are like weeks long.
Yeah.
Not 18 hours.
Like so that they can shuffle shifts.
Yeah.
Like you didn't wanna keep
Fire's over now.
Well no it's not over.
It's just contained.
It's still burning but it's like under control but maybe,
you know, you'd wanna keep
Yeah, we're good now.
Bye.
You'd keep them so you can rest your, your normal firefighters, let
them get some sleep and some food and then they can go back in to
actually put the rest of the fire out.
No.
Okay.
What do I know?
Yeah, yeah.
Um, so we then get the 118 packing up.
Judd is desperate for Eddie to go to a barbecue place in Fort Stockton
and tell them that Judd sent them.
Um, but Eddie says, actually, we're just going to like swing past El Paso and eat,
eat at my parents, which is kind of cute.
Well if you're going all the way to Texas, you may as well.
Yeah.
Hi parents!
Drop in and say hello.
Bye parents!
Yeah.
With a fire truck.
I mean,
you just imagine Helena and Ramon when this fire truck, like
pulls up in front of their house.
Yeah.
The neighbors are all peek out the windows going, what's going on?
Who's on fire?
They have a cute little bonding moment.
They're so cute together.
I think it, um, Judds like found a new friend that he now has to say goodbye to.
I think this,
I think this must be the point where I was looking at Judd going,
he is huge compared to Eddie.
He's way taller.
Um, Eddie has like the cutest, he, Eddie has such good connections with everybody.
Like he's made some really good friends in this short period of time.
Um, because once he said goodbye to Judd, he turns around and
Marwani is, um, in an ATV again.
'cause apparently that's all she does in this episode.
Um, and she, he asks her for a pic, like a selfie for Instagram.
Because it's not every day that you get to take a selfie and 100% he's
just doing that to piss Buck off.
Um, yeah, not every day you get to self take a selfie with hashtag Firefox.
Oh, that's right.
He actually says fucking hashtag.
Yeah, because he's 87 years old.
That's not how that works, Eddie.
Uh, so they, they pose for the selfie, um, Strickland wanders up and says, oh,
now that is just way too much pretty.
And I'm like, yeah, I mean, you're not wrong, dude.
Uh, Eddie and Strickland hug, they sort of exchange great workings with you.
Um, but before Eddie leaves,
they call each other, bro.
They call each other brother.
Everyone's calling each other brother.
Like it's everyone's brother.
Yeah, brother.
Yeah.
Um, and then he turns
brother, brother,
he turns to Marwani and says, for the love of God, please follow Buck back on Insta.
He's gonna hear all about it if he doesn't.
So, um, meanwhile,
but meanwhile
Buck is, is dealing with Marvin, with Mateo, who is
reminding him about his cousin.
It's like, "His name is Marvin Chavez, C-H-A-V-E-S. he gets it, gets out of
jail in about three months," and Buck's like "Yeah, I will definitely, I'll keep
my eyes open. Definitely not look him up." so Mateo seems satisfied with that.
He disappears.
TK look, it looks like the 126 are helping the 118 load up 'cause they must have like
brought bags and bags of shit with them.
Yeah, I dunno how much the 118 brought and why the 126 aren't packing up.
But anyway, I guess they're staying but they've got nothing to do right now.
I dunno,
I'm ignoring it because we get some cute moments like
this ones, which is hilarious.
Um, so yeah, TK goes, "oh, you really put yourself out there,
can't thank you enough." And Buck's like, "oh, it's what we do.
Um, and hey, if you ever find yourself in LA we should get together."
And TK says, "you know, sure. Um, I do have to mention though that I
already have a boyfriend and it's pretty serious. Um, but it was really
nice meeting you," and Buck's face
and like TK just like drops the mic and leaves and Buck's like I, that... he,
he has no idea that he has just rocked Buck's world without, you
know, ever actually touching him.
Um,
and, and then.
Meanwhile, Eddie comes through, like Eddie immediately appears.
Um, so TK is like, says, says goodbye.
And Eddie just goes, "Where's Hen?" Like and Buck's just like, what,
What just happened?
What?
Like, and like
Buck wasn't flirting
the fact that like, that... well.
Buck was just no, no.
Buck was, he's not, he was not consciously flirting.
He was just being,
he was not consciously flirting
and like Buck just being Buck means that he is like flirting
with everything that walks.
'cause that's just how he, you know, interacts with, with people.
But the fact that TK's like, "I have a boyfriend. It's pretty
serious." And then Eddie shows up.
Oh, I didn't, I wasn't even
Tim Minear, I see you.
I wasn't even like the Eddie part I'm not even worried about, I'm just
fascinated by the fact that they chose this episode to have a very
openly queer character clock Buck.
Yeah.
Especially when you, um, when you think about the fact that, you know,
they probably always intended or they always wanted Buck to be queer.
And so this,
oh, that's a whole discussion we'll get to later this season.
Yeah.
So this is kind of, um, like them slipping it in sort of while the big wigs and over
in LA weren't, weren't watching because
Yeah.
Weren't paying attention
because it doesn't count if it's doesn't count, if it's in Lone Star.
Even the OG 9-1-1 execs won't watch Lone Star.
So they're like, quick, quick, um, quick insinuate that Buck's
gay while no one's watching.
But anyway, yes, Eddie is, um, is more worried not that the fact that Buck is
absolutely spiraling, I don't think he even notices that Buck is spiraling.
Um, he's more interested in where Hen is.
Um, Hen unfortunately has to have one more scene with Owen
Strand before she can leave.
So she's back in the medical tent.
Oh dear, poor Hen.
Yeah.
Um, where Owen is wandering around the medical tent dragging his IV
around with him because he wanted to catch Hen before she shipped out.
And
nothing about this makes sense.
'cause apparently this is just reinforced Owen's understanding that he's invincible
because he can't think of another reason how he made it out alive.
And then he says, who knew you could get so stoned on oxygen?
And I'm like, what?
What,
where,
uh, you had a head injury?
I like,
I don't understand any of this.
'cause like, so apparently pure oxygen can give rise to the feelings of euphoria.
Yeah.
Like Hen says in
and Owen's like, "yeah, I'm not sure it was euphoria that was feeling."
And she goes, "What happens in the mineshaft stays in the mineshaft."
What happened in the mineshaft?
Exactly.
And trauma dumped and passed out.
I'm so confused.
Didn't they pass out from lack of oxygen?
I'm apparently not?
I don't understand.
I don't know.
Maybe it's the trauma dumping, it's what stays in the mine in the mine shaft?
But yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe
no idea.
You are right.
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
I I don't get it.
I like, because Owen was like, oh yeah.
Like everyone I know dies... we already know that Owen.
You don't shut up about it.
Like, what do you mean?
What happens in the Minecraft stays in the mineshaft.
It happens every fucking week.
What happens in the Minecraft stays in the Minecraft.
Anyway, they, they part friends I guess.
It's weird.
Who the fuck knows.
And, and, um, Hen gets an upgrade because she's now allowed to call
him Owen, not Captain Strand.
Mm. I'm guessing the whole surname thing comes from Owen.
Like he's the one that's instituted this whole, we only ever call
people, what do they call TK?
Because they can't call him Strand
TK.
They call him TK.
So TK is TK.
Yep.
Judd is Judd.
Yep.
Everyone else gets surnames.
Yeah.
So the white people get their first names and everybody else gets their last names.
Yep.
Right.
Look it confused the hell outta me for so long because I could not work out if
Maja Han's name was Marjan or Marwani.
I was like, which is her first?
And which is her second because they interchange them so
much that I had to Google it.
Um, and yeah, Strickland like I forget that his name's Paul because
they only call him Strickland.
And I'm just like, who the fuck is Paul?
Yeah.
Kind of like when they call Chim Howard and I'm just like, who's Howard?
Who's Howard?
Yeah, exactly.
I'm like, who the fuck is Howard?
Um, and we end like the last line of the episode is Hen saying, "Take care
of yourself Owen, even if you are invincible." Which is why I asked, is
this invincibility thing something that is constantly brought up in the series?
'cause they make such a big fucking deal about it in this episode.
I don't remember.
It does feel that way.
Yeah, I don't remember.
Oh, and with that, we are done with the crossover.
Thank fuck for that.
Okay.
So I asked you this before, Ellen, but I'm gonna ask it now that
again now that we are recording, having watched this episode.
Yeah.
Are you inclined to continue watching Lone Star?
I mean, probably not.
I like, they don't really, um, I guess they only had a short amount
of time in which to sell this other show to new viewers, and I think
they've done a really bad job of that.
Yeah.
So,
because I don't really care enough about any of these individual people
in order to continue to watch.
Okay.
So I know that previously on this podcast I have talked about the
crossover episode and I assumed that it was the execs desperately trying to
drum up more viewership for Lone Star.
I assumed that the ratings,
is that not what the crossover episodes are for though?
Like to, no, I think that cross pollinate,
that's what I thought was to like draw them in, like draw
people from the OG over to the,
I would think that if it were like a pilot episode, so if the first episode
of Lone Star had had the characters from the OG 9-1-1 in it, that would make sense
because like that's what Gray's did with Private Practice.
Like it was a soft launch on Gray's.
And then spun off to its own,
you do like backdoor pilots and things like that.
Yeah.
But actually watching this episode and analyzing it, I don't think that
it was intended for new viewers.
I think that it's meant to be a reward for the viewers of both 9-1-1 and Lone Star.
It's like you guys who are watching nine one, the OG 9-1-1, you're
continuing to watch that and you followed us to over to Lone Star.
So as a little reward here are all your blorbos in one place.
Enjoy.
Because the episode doesn't make sense unless you have watched
both the OG 9-1-1 and Lone Star.
And I bet that if you knew who Buck Eddie and Hen were and you knew who
Judd and Strickland and Marwani and Owen were, it would've been really
exciting to see all of them interacting.
Yeah.
And it would've been great publicity, but I don't think that it, I'm
now of the opinion that it was not intended to bring in new viewers.
Because if they were going to bring in new viewers, like you said,
Ellen, you don't care about the characters coming outta this one.
If you were trying to bring in new viewers, you would have like a
standalone episode where you could get into more character introduction.
You are saying it's more like of an Easter egg episode than a promotional.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Well I think maybe dropping them into like an actual disaster like this, even
though it made sense from a storyline perspective where like they, the guys had
to come from LA to, you know, to Texas
that made, that made perfect sense.
The Dead Paramedic Rosewater part did not make sense if you're trying to entice new
viewers to actually watch your episode,
Yeah, that made no sense at all.
That made sense if you'd watched the previous episode.
Um, and wanted to Yeah.
But what I mean is like they've dropped them into like a, a natural disaster,
which already takes up a lot of the story.
So there's no room for character development or for introducing
even some of these characters, we don't even know who they are with.
They're just there.
Um, and so if they wanted us to be interested in these new people and
continue to watch their story, then we needed a bit more story, you know?
Yeah.
But all we got was the natural disaster.
Yeah.
Which was, which was exciting in its own right.
Like the, the fighting of the fire.
Okay, great.
All, although all they did was dig a tran dig, dig, you know, dig up
a, a fire break and then rescue.
Okay.
They rescue, rescue some kids, but that's it.
Yeah.
Um, question for Bex as well.
Oh, okay.
If you hadn't seen any of Lone Star at all Yeah.
And you'd only seen "Saving Grace", would that entice you to watch the show?
No.
No?
See, I love "Saving Grace" so much.
Like, I just wanted to like write a Destiel fic about it,
like I said, when, after I watched "Saving Grace".
So I, I have watched that episode.
Um, I. It did not meet my expectations, so I didn't, I probably, I think
that "Saving Grace" is an excellent episode If you had met Judd and Grace
previously and it fills the gaps in their relationship and in their history,
and put some stuff in context for you.
Yeah.
So I didn't realize, did you say you've only watched two episodes?
Yes.
Of season one?
Yes.
Yeah.
See, I thought you'd watched more.
No, I think I, yeah, I got to maybe the third.
I don't think I even finished the third episode.
That's how badly.
Wow.
Everyone pissed me off.
Um, and so watching "Saving Grace" with no context whatsoever, I was
extremely confused and I, yeah.
Okay.
Fair.
I felt like I was expecting kind of like a Judd Begins kind of episode once I figured
out what was going on and it didn't go into the depth because I assumed that the
depth comes from the rest of the show.
The rest of it, yeah.
The context.
So no, even after watching "Saving Grace", um, I would now die for Judd.
Um, I would quite happily listen to Jim Perrick read a phone book, um,
that is not strong enough to overcome my obscene hatred for Owen Strand to
make me watch the rest of the show.
See, that's, I can't remember, like, I know Owen must have been in that
episode, but all I remember from that episode is the Grace and Judd stuff.
Oh, he's vaguely.
Which is why I was just like, he's vaguely there in the waiting room.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Like if you didn't know that Owen Strand was a thing,
unfortunately, I do know that Owen Strand is a thing and I'm, I'm having real
difficulty separating that knowledge.
And I'm pretty sure that even if I did, if I just watched Hold the Line and then
I watched Saving Grace and then I decided to go back and start watching season one,
I would probably still be in the same predicament where I'd get to the second
episode and just like, fuck this dude.
Fuck Liv Tyler.
I'm not watching anymore of this.
Literally, it was Liv Tyler was what turned me.
Like, I can deal with Owen Strand, like I can tune him out.
I'm used to Parks and rec.
Um, I don't hate Owen Strand as much as a lot of other people do.
He is annoying, but like, I just, I I tend to watch TV like this
while I'm doing other things.
Anyway, so when Owen's storylines were on, I just sort of tuned out.
Um, and so he didn't annoy me as much as like, I've seen so many people
and like Bex obviously included passionately hate Owen Strand,
and I'm like, he's not that bad.
Yes.
And then like, when you think logically, I'm like, yeah, okay.
He is that bad.
He's that bad.
But I just didn't pay any attention to him.
Um, but I love all the other characters so much.
But the first season, like I just, it was all Owen Strand and fucking, um,
Michelle, whatever her fucking name is.
Liv Tyler.
Yeah.
And I hate her so much.
She had no emotion, like.
She just talks in monotone constantly.
She does dumb shit.
And I'm just like, I don't care about your story.
Like you get dropped in halfway through her story.
Yeah.
And they're trying to like build suspense, but I do not give a fuck about this
character enough to have any suspense.
Like there is no suspense.
I'm like, I don't care about your dead sister.
Like, I do not care about you at all because she's just not a,
like, not a character that you can like, empathize with because she
just does dumb shit all the time.
I think I would, I was giving Liv Tyler a pass because I loved
her so much in Lord of the Rings.
So I would like, and I remember going through a phase where, because I loved her
and Lord of the Rings, I watched a lot of her, um, sort of her backs back catalog.
She's not the interesting, I've seen her in maybe one thing before.
She's not the best actress.
I think she very much her, most of her career is based on who her father is
and her looks not on her actual talent.
Yeah.
It's very nepotism.
Yeah.
Um, and she's beautiful, but like every role is pretty much the same except for
when she's playing an Elvish princess.
Um, so like I didn't really enjoy her character, but she did not
inspire the full fiery depths of hell hatred that Rob Lowe did.
See, it's interesting that she like made me want to murder everyone.
And you had that with Owen Strand,
so
that like you wanted to
I think it's because, I think it's because like with Liv Tyler's character,
it's, it's kind of, well that's just, you know, bad writing and bad acting.
It's not necessarily her fault, but with Rob Lowe it's definitely 100%
he like, so they, he came in as like, he was the big name that they were
building Lone Star around, much like they built, um, the Los Angeles one
around Peter Krause and Angela Bassett.
But it's like, it went to Rob Lowe's head and he's dictated like, imagine if Peter,
I think he's just like that.
Imagine if Peter Krause went like, every single time there is an emergency, I
have to be the one to save the day.
I have to have all of the lines.
I have to be the big damn hero every single time.
I have to be the best.
That's what's happened with Rob Lowe and Owen Strand.
Even if a storyline doesn't involve him, he still finds a way to make himself
be the big damn hero in that storyline.
And it's piss, it's like, it's the Rob Lowe vehicle and I do not like it.
Yeah, that's fair.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like when I said when, um, like that scene where, um,
Owen goes like, it's too dangerous to send anybody else up there.
I would go myself, like 100%.
I could see that happening in Los Angeles with Bobby going, it's too
dangerous to send anybody else.
But Bobby seems so much more humble.
Yes.
Yeah.
There's like this humble, he doesn't make a big deal,
and Bobby's backstory isn't like, oh, I survived 9-1-1, so I'm invincible.
It's, oh fuck, I killed my family.
Yeah.
There's a, like, there's a, it's a very different vibe around Peter Krause
and his portrayal of Bobby and Rob Lowe and his portrayal of Owen Strand.
And it, it pains me because once I found out about the existence of Lone Star,
I'm like, Rob Lowe, I love Rob Lowe.
That's Sam Seaborne.
That's my comfort blorbo from the West Wing.
I loved him in the West Wing.
And then to find out that I absolutely hated him.
And this show was such a body blow.
Yeah.
So if, if you wanted to avoid like the first season and just start
at the beginning of season two, would that make any sense at all?
Like you'd, I think you'd still have to watch the pilot.
Yeah.
'cause that's the, but then you could probably go straight into, like from
the pilot You do, you would miss a lot of the buildup between TK and, um,
Carlos?
Carlos though.
And like Tarlos is one of the big things about Lone Star.
So rumor has it that Tim Minear wanted to do Buddie and wasn't allowed to.
So it was like, well, fuck you guys.
And went and made Tarlos on Lone Star.
But the irony is that it's the same network.
Like it's not like he took Yeah.
It's not like he shopped around and went to another network.
It's still on Fox
No, but because he introduced them as gay characters.
Yeah.
They were initially gay.
It's not like a straight guy.
It wasn't, yeah.
And so he like was allowed to, so that's the, like the rumor, I don't know if
it's actually been confirmed anywhere.
We need to tie Tim Minear down and get some questions out of him.
And I think that's the other,
so many,
that's the other thing that pisses me off, off about Lone Star is how in
your face it is about its diversity.
Like they, it's very, yeah, they set it up and like, this is going to be the
most diverse house you have ever seen.
And so they've got this range of characters who all have a very specific
reason why they are in that house.
And then most of their storylines is, is or I, well, the, the ones
that I saw, so I saw see episode two, which I think is about Marwani being
kicked out of her mosque because she's too popular on Instagram.
Um, right.
So every, so from what I saw, her storyline was very much
about her being a Muslim woman.
Um, was that the episode where her hijab slipped and they showed like,
I think so, in the grain silo?
Yeah.
And her, they showed her hair on the news and so her, the, the, um, the
elders of the mosque kicked her out.
Yeah, I'm just like, oh, okay.
Yeah,
yeah.
Like the, as I said, I hated the first season.
Hated it.
Um, my, if I didn't have my ex there telling me to keep watching, I would
not, like, I probably would've given up.
Um, she assured me it got better.
It does get better.
It's still not the best, but it definitely gets better.
And I was definitely sad to have it canceled because I do miss,
not Owen Strand, but I do miss the rest of the characters.
Like I miss Tarlos.
Um, I miss Marwani, I miss Strickland.
I miss Probie.
I miss Tommy and I miss Nancy.
Like Nancy isn't in this episode or even mentioned, she's like a background
character pretty much in season one.
But by the end of it, she's like a part of them.
She's, um, the other paramedic, like aside from, um,
Dead Paramedic Rosewater?
Tim, the dead guy.
Yeah.
Um, she is the other one.
And yeah, she's just in the background and then like, actually calls,
like basically calls the show out for having her in the background.
And then she stops being in the background.
'cause like the Fireies are all very, like, very boys club.
And then spoilers for like later in Lone Star, but TK joins the paramedics
and is, and they don't like him.
And he's like, but like why?
And they're like, well, yes, you're one of us now, but you still hang out with them.
You still eat lunch with them.
You still, you know, go to games night with them and you don't integrate yourself
with us and how are we supposed to trust you if you are still one of them?
And so they integrate the paramedics and yeah, they become
like the whole little family.
Um, but yeah, Nancy's just such a good character.
Like she's so untraditional and she's amazing.
And I love Nancy.
I love her so much would die for her.
I kept saying in the final season I was like, if they do
anything to her, I'm quitting.
Um, well that's the danger with characters like that, I suppose.
So interestingly, um, Lone Star got canceled by Fox around the same
time that the OG 9-1-1 got canceled.
Um, and while ABC picked up 9-1-1, um, it didn't wanna have
anything to do with Lone Star.
And I just find it hilarious because at the time the, the line that they were
giving was, well, we have one firefighter show, we don't need another one.
So Fox allowed Lone Star just to end and now all of a sudden
ABC is premiering a brand...
yeah,
a brand new 9-1-1.
What that's all about?
Another firefighter show.
But when you look at the cast, they're all white.
Oh, really?
So it's like ABC didn't want the diverse one.
It was too diverse?
No they're not all white.
I'm pretty sure there's one that's not
Oh, well you've got Chris O'Donnell, Jessica Capshaw, and Leanne Rimes.
Oh, they're the top.
Yeah.
Three big names.
They're the top.
They're throwing around.
I'm sure that there are other people, but they're like, the
people that they're saying, come watch this show for are white.
And they're all like, from Grey's Anatomy too.
So that's also weird.
Literally, I made a joke that, um, that the casting people from 9-1-1
Nashville were just like waiting outside the Grey's Anatomy office
and sifting through their dumpsters.
They're like, oh, you're done with this.
I'm gonna, I'll take that now.
Yeah.
When's that start?
It must be fairly soon.
Uh, must be soon.
If they're dropping AI trailers on their social media.
Uh, no, not till, um, 9-1-1 OG comes back.
So October.
Um, okay.
They've only just started filming it.
I'm not watching.
Um, so yes, that's the end.
Hey, we get to watch, we get to watch Dr. Odyssey in, um, in a few seasons too.
Oh, really?
Did they?
No, no, no.
Yep.
No,
they sure did.
No,
no?
No.
It still a crossover.
It still counts.
No,
it does!
It.
No.
Okay.
We don't have to.
It's literally just, um, Athena.
It's just Athena,
but it's still a crossover.
It's still like the storyline starts in 9-1-1 and ends in Dr. Odyssey.
So it still counts,
yes, but maybe we can just let it end in Dr. Odyssey.
Let's deal with this crossover first.
Like
Okay.
We, we've dealt with it.
It's done.
We've done, um, do do you wanna say anything else about it
or can we actually sign off?
Sorry for the fans of Lone Star, Bex just hates it.
I, I don't hate,
I'm gonna cuddle my blorbos.
I don't hate it.
It's unfortunately just my hatred for Owin tends to eclipse everything
else, including Jim Parrack.
Um, yeah.
Poor Judd.
But yes,
justice for Judd.
Justice for Grace.
Um, apologies if I've completely ruined your favorite TV show.
Um,
you had, you had to have known that I was gonna go off though, if you've
listened to any other, although maybe you haven't, maybe you just saw that
we did Lone Star and decided to listen.
In which case, I'm very sorry if this was your first introduction to, well, me.
We should, we should maybe put a disclaimer at the start.
That's just like, if you enjoy Lone Star and enjoy this episode.
Don't listen to this one.
Just filter out Bex,
um, filter me out.
Fuck, I'm like three quarters of the episode.
I don't Shut up.
People who've normal who watched That WeeWoo Show normally will have like,
should have known that this was coming.
You've made your feelings clear before.
Alright, do let us know what you thought about this.
You're welcome to rant.
Does this episode make you want to watch Lone Star?
Yeah.
Actually I'd be interested to know if anyone else has watched just this episode.
Um,
and then
do you now wanna go and watch more?
Did you watch this episode?
And did you start Lone Star based on this episode?
Yeah.
Did you not start, had, did you watch this episode and then just continue with 9-1-1?
But now you're curious and wanna go back and start Lone Star, did
we inspire you to start watching?
Which I dunno how,
I hope not because it doesn't feel like that.
Did you miss, um, did you miss Carlos as much as the rest of us in this episode?
Let us know.
There are myriad different ways that you can let us know.
Um, what, what do we actually have coming up in the LA version of the show.
So, um, so Eddie, Buck and Hen returned to Los Angeles just in time
for Athena to investigate a murder during a neighborhood block party.
And the 118 racing two diffuse a bomb threat.
Meanwhile, Chimney has a hard time keeping secrets when Maddie
and Buck's parents come to town.
Oh, that's right.
We're gonna go back with that storyline again.
Yeah, we get that storyline.
Woohoo.
Um, triggers for the next episode.
We have bad parenting, um, blackmail, a dog at threat poisoned, but it survives,
gun violence, um, and threat of mass violence at a workplace via a bomb.
Um, also shirtless Chimney in case that's a trigger for anybody.
Or maybe just a warning that Alice and I are gonna be like unable to talk
for a little bit in the next episode.
'cause
Yeah, I, I'm not gonna know what happens in that scene.
Yeah,
I think Kenny must have had an extra, I don't know, in this contract saying you
must take your shirt off in every episode.
Kenny was having a good season.
Let's just not argue.
I don't know what was in the water for season four, but I think they
need to give it back to Kenny 'cause he needs to like be shirtless more.
Please.
Yeah,
he's older now.
I don't care.
Man's still built.
We are not complaining.
Nope.
Um, yes, let us know what you thought of this episode as we said already.
Um, you can leave us a comment on Spotify or on the episodes
post on thatweewooshow.com.
Thanks for listening this week and we will talk to you next time about,
we're going back to the og, um, for
go back to LA
for episode four,
but not Disneyland.
Not Disneyland.
That is the bad place.
Um,
uh, that'll be episode 4, "9-1-1 ,What's Your Grievance?" See you then.
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