Welcome to That Weewoo Show: a podcast where Alice, Ellen, and Bex watch and discuss every episode of ABC’s TV show, 9-1-1.
In this episode we discuss episode 3 of the fifth season of 9-1-1, titled “Desperate Measures”.
As the citywide blackout continues to cause mayhem in Los Angeles, Athena races to save her family from a tragedy. Eddie must make a difficult choice about his future. Maddie makes a life-changing decision.
Content warnings for episode 5.03:
abuse of power, child at threat, child abandonment, claustrophobia, cops, flashback to assault, gun violence, police involved shooting, postpartum depression, threat of gun violence in addition to the actual gun violence, vigilantism.
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Episode Transcript
Maddie: [00:00:00] 9-1-1. What’s your emergency?
Ellen: Welcome back to That WeeWoo Show, a podcast where we watch and discuss episodes of the A B C show, 9-1-1. I’m Ellen.
Alice: I’m Alice.
Bex: And I’m Bex.
Ellen: Thank you to everyone who’s been listening to our season five episodes, um, and shared our social media posts and all those things. Uh, we are in into the first few episodes of season five.
Um, but before we start talking about this episode, uh, Alice, do you wanna tell us what happened last week?
Alice: Yeah, so last week on 9-1-1, Eddie continued to not panic when Ravi thought Ana was his wife. Somebody gave Buck a clipboard and Maddie almost drowned her baby. Also, Athena’s son was kidnapped, allegedly.[00:01:00]
Bex: No, not allegedly. We saw him. We saw him in the fricking boot.
Alice: It has not gone to trial. We, we cannot. It’s innocent until proven guilty.
Bex: He was in the fucking boot.
Alice: Maybe Harry tied himself up. Okay?
Ellen: No one knows yet except Jeffrey at this point.
Alice: We don’t wanna called dirty this point.
Ellen: Okay. Allegedly.
Bex: Alright. Well, the allegedly element of that is going to be resolved in this week’s episode, uh, which is the follow up from last week’s episode and ties in with the title of “Desperate Measures”.
So we had “Desperate Times”, now we’re up to “Desperate Measures”. The, uh, the promo that was sent out to all the networks says that as a citywide blackout continues to cause mayhem in Los Angeles, Athena races to save her family from tragedy. Meanwhile, Eddie must make a difficult choice about his future, and Maddie makes a life changing decision.
And the trigger warnings for [00:02:00] this week include abuse of power, child at threat, child abandonment, claustrophobia, my favorite generic tag of cops, uh, flashback to assault, gun violence, police involved shooting postpartum depression, threat of gun violence in addition to the actual gun violence, um, and vigilantism.
Ellen: Yeah, one guess who that involves. But anyway, we’ll get there. Um, so this episode may go two ways or we might either, um, skip over a bunch of like, so this is the first episode we’ve got to so far where we all just found no redeeming features about the episode at all, I think, right? So we are either, we are gonna try not to be maybe too negative about it, but we are either gonna rush through it and it’ll be a short episode or we are gonna rant about everything that happens and it can be really long.
Bex: Something’s gonna set me off and I’m gonna be ranting for two [00:03:00] hours.
Ellen: As you’re listening now, go and look at the length of the episode. You can find out how your we going with it
Bex: Place your bets as to which way this episode goes.
Ellen: But anyway, yes. So this is, uh, concluding, well, it’s not, I was gonna say concluding the cliffhangers, but no, there’s, there’s more. Wait, there’s more.
Bex: It concludes the Jeffrey part of the storyline.
Ellen: Oh, thank God.
Bex: So it wraps, it wraps the Jeffrey and the, um, the power outage storyline up and then decides to throw a couple more storylines into the wind. Alright, so the open, the cold opening is all about Jeffrey.
Ellen: I actually, okay. This is the one redeeming feature about this whole episode right?
Alice: Redeeming? I hated it.
Ellen: The sequence at the beginning is pretty good.
Alice: Oh my God, I did not care at all.
Bex: The only reason, the only reason this sequence is any good is because of [00:04:00] the music choice, because they use “Paint it Black”.
Ellen: Yes.
Bex: I think I would quite happily watch almost anything if they put “Paint It Black” over it.
Ellen: I don’t know how much they paid to get Rolling Stones, but like it works.
Alice: That was their entire budget.
Ellen: It’s good.
Alice: Yeah.
Ellen: No more special effects for season five.
Bex: No. Um, the episode opens in with a flashback to 2020 where we see the Athena’s assault or a Jeffrey’s assault on Athena at Studio Self Storage. We then jumped forward couple of hours, couple of days Jeffrey’s in hospital and we learned that when Athena shot Jeffrey, she shot him in the groinular area to the point where, um.
The groinular area, um, to the point where he has a catheter that he will need to learn, um, and he will need to learn to urinate on his own. He will eventually be able to do that, but [00:05:00] he’ll have to do it sitting down, which is, I think the,
Alice: basically he’s got no penis anymore.
Bex: Yep. It’s a very, it’s a very subtle way of saying that Athena shot his dick off later on in the episode they
Alice: like, I dunno why they’re dancing around it. They shot his dick off. Yeah.
Bex: Yeah.
Ellen: I actually missed what the outcome of this beginning bit was for that. Like I knew he was upset about something, but I didn’t quite catch what he was saying. So later when they were talking about it, I’m like, oh, oh. So I had like the same reaction as Michael.
Bex: I think this is the one time we are treating the audience like idiots has kind of paid off because I will admit, the first time I watched this and they went, they shot him in the groin. I was thinking like hip sort of groin area?
Ellen: Yeah. They just
Bex: Not actually physically genitals. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so they took the rapist who has severe issues with women and had a woman shoot his penis off, emasculating him. That, that sounds like it’s gonna turn out great for everyone. [00:06:00]
Ellen: Mm-hmm.
Bex: Um, and it sounds like everybody knows because there was a cop standing outside Jeffrey’s room smirking at him, like, yeah, yeah, I know what happened to you.
Alice: Yeah. Lovely, great, um, great attitude by the cop. So professional.
Bex: Yeah.
Alice: Like I get that they’re doing the whole like, oh, the, the dramatic irony of it. But like, it was just gross.
Ellen: No, I just, I thought it was Jeffrey’s point of view, like unreliable narrator type thing. Like he saw the cops looking at him and he is like, oh my God, they’re all laughing at me.
Bex: No, they literally were laughing at him. I, I don’t think understand,
Ellen: but this is his point of view. So
Bex: the complete, yeah, but I don’t think they understand the, the idea of like an unreliable narrator and like moral gray characters.
Ellen: Let me put my nuance on it. Okay? It’s the only way I’m getting through this episode.
Bex: Fine. Okay. Nuance. Um, we,
Alice: I get what they’re trying to do. I didn’t like it.
Ellen: No, it sucked. True, but I’m just saying.
Bex: Okay. So then we go from Jeffrey [00:07:00] being, uh, like castrated against his will, um, to five days earlier or five days ago. Our time, which is like, it, it timey-wimey, but basically we jump forward in time as far as Jeffrey is concerned, to the night that Lila slashes Jeffrey, um, Lou Ransone’s throat, and that’s when “Paint It Black” kicks in.
And the next sort of sequence is, has the Rolling Stones over the top of it, which works really well, only because it’s an excellent song, not because the the scene is any good. I don’t actually think we needed this scene at all, because we kind of knew everything that
Ellen: Yeah, we knew what happened.
Bex: they showed. Like we knew that he shot Lila.
Alice: I didn’t care. I don’t care. Don’t care about Jeffrey at all. There is zero care with Jeffrey.
Bex: And then, so just like to run through it very quickly in case anybody hasn’t watched the episode lately and they, they need a refresher. So we have Jeffrey and Lila dumping Lou’s body. [00:08:00] We have Jeffrey, uh, shooting Lila after bitching it about her trying to help him.
Uh, we have him ransacking Lou’s house finding Lou’s LAPD files, which, who we gonna, we won’t even talk about the fact that he should not have those files in his house. Um, yeah. Somewhere in those files he finds Athena’s house. He goes to the house, um,
Ellen: oh, he has a photo of him and Athena on the wall. In his apartment.
Bex: Oh, that’s so, that’s so weird. It’s such a,
Ellen: that is very weird.
Alice: Why does he have a photo of him and Athena on his, like why? Are they that close friends?
Ellen: Yeah. I, I don’t know about you, but I don’t put pictures of my workmates on my wall.
Alice: No. I mean, to be fair, the only photos of my wall are photos of my dogs and then I have one photo of me and my mother,
Bex: and it’s a really weird place. It’s like right in the middle of a wall with no other furniture.
Ellen: It’s a small photo, on a large wall
Alice: It’s a shrine to Athena. He just likes Athena that much that he made a shrine
Ellen: really strange. [00:09:00]
Bex: It was literally just put there so they could set up the photo swap when Athena gets to Lou’s apartment.
Ellen: Oh yeah.
Alice: That was it.
Bex: Um, like I said last week, there was lots of, in this entire storyline of this is the end place I wanna get to. I don’t care how I get there. I don’t care if it makes sense how we get there, but this is what I want the end result to be. So, yeah, so he finds Athena’s address, he goes to the Athena’s house. He does not find Athena. He finds Michael and David hosting their, you know, blackout blowout party. Um,
Alice: I’ve read that like I was skimming it as you were reading.
Bex: Yes, I know.
Alice: And I know I definitely thought it said something about his, like, back being blown out and I was like, what?
Bex: And as I was typing it, I, I thought the same thing. I don’t know, there was a disconnect between my fingers and my, um,
Alice: I just good for David and Michael, but like, they should probably, they should probably be watching their, the child.[00:10:00]
Bex: Um, definitely considering that Jeffrey, you know, absconds with Harry later on. Um, but very quickly they also decide that
Alice: allegedly
Bex: in between Harry, um, in between Jeffrey arriving at the party and him deciding to target Harry, he goes into Athena’s bedroom and sniffs her panties.
Alice: Oh, I hated this so much.
Ellen: Yeah, that’s disgusting.
Alice: That’s like odd. It’s, it’s so, I don’t even wanna talk about this. It’s gross.
Bex: And I don’t under… yeah, I, I I mean, I don’t really wanna talk about it. I, but I also, I don’t understand it because that’s not who Jeffrey is.
Ellen: Yeah. And that’s like, yeah. Yeah. It’s just horrible.
Bex: Yeah. Yeah. It’s gross. And then Harry catches him doing it doing it. So, and then we get to the title card and when we return from the title card, we are in present time. We are still at the Grant residence, but we’re at the point where Athena is adamant that Jeffrey has taken Harry. Even though there is no evidence at this point that that has happened. [00:11:00]
Alice: Allegedly taken Harry.
Bex: He fucking has taken Harry.
Ellen: It’s, it’s still allegedly.
Bex: He has taken Harry.
Alice: Don’t, Jeffrey will call you dirty. Watch out.
Ellen: I just love that Elaine was like grilling Michael about it. It’s like, “so when, when was the last time you saw him?” You know?
Alice: Yeah. Like, this isn’t a toddler. Harry does what he wants, like
Ellen: Athena’s pissed. He’s like, “oh, I’m not sure what time I saw him last.” And Athena’s like, “You need to be sure, Michael!”
Bex: Okay. Yeah, no, but it doesn’t really matter because Athena’s phone rings and it’s Harry for like 10 seconds and then it becomes Jeffrey.
Ellen: So they’re basically having an argument in the living room. Bobby’s like just sort of trying to help, but not really helping.
Bex: Yeah.
Ellen: I, they, they’re trying to, Athena’s trying to tell him that he can run and just, all they’ve gotta do is give them Harry back and he can disappear and they won’t come after him. And [00:12:00] he’s like, “uh, I don’t think that’s gonna happen.”
Bex: I love the looks that Bobby is giving her at this point. Like, woman, what are you on?
Alice: Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about?
Bex: Everyone knows you’re not gonna let him get away with this. Um, Jeffrey is also, you are not gonna let me get away with this.
Ellen: Um-huh.
Bex: He does say something really interesting, which, like, when he’s sort of making jabs at her where he says, um, “You’re not a mother who’s a cop. You’re a cop who’s a mother, and your priorities is always going to be being a cop over being a mother.”
Ellen: Interesting.
Alice: Ouch.
Bex: But then ends on the, “you took something from me. Now I’m taking something from you.” I’m like, Ugh, really? You would, like, you are doing so well. And then you threw in, you’re equating Harry to your penis.
And I, I just, I don’t know. Please no.
Ellen: Yeah. See, at this point I still didn’t know, or I didn’t realize that there was like a penis involved. So I was, [00:13:00] so, I was like, you know, you took away my freedom, for example, and yeah, I was like, oh, do we have to do this?
Bex: Oh, no, no, penis.
Ellen: Okay. Yeah, no, that makes more sense now.
Alice: Yeah. Talking about dicks, we are, we’re talking about dicks almost as much as season seven of Supernatural.
Ellen: Well, that was a lot of Dick in that one.
Alice: So much Dick in that season.
Ellen: Yeah. Um, a a lot more enjoyable than this particular dick, though.
Bex: I would, I would much prefer that Dick than this dick. Yeah.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Mm-hmm.
Ellen: Anywho, um, we’re going to dispatch where Sue has to tell May the terrible news that Harry has been kidnapped. Um, and she’s like, ready to run out there and go home, but Sue’s like, “No, no, no, no. You have to stay here.”
Bex: “I promised your mother that I would keep you here.” I’m like, she’s an adult.
Ellen: Yeah. I mean. She can do whatever she wants, I guess. But she [00:14:00] talks her into being safe and staying at work, which I guess kind of makes sense, but, and, and May’s just okay with it. She’s like, oh, I guess, okay, let’s do that.
Alice: Sure. Why not?
Bex: Yeah, she puts up zero fight.
Alice: I’ll just answer some calls. Yeah,
Ellen: yeah. I’ll just go back to work while my brother’s in mortal danger, which incidentally is what Bobby does immediately afterwards,
Alice: at least Bobby has some reaction to it. May’s just like, no, we’re not a taxi service. We’re 9-1-1. Not really. I don’t even think she goes back to work.
Bex: I don’t think she does go back to work. She does seem to be using the, um, the equipment for non-official purposes, but I don’t think they would, I don’t think Sue would let her work at this point.
Ellen: Well, you’d hope not, wouldn’t you? But like,
Bex: well, especially considering how Bobby fucking reacted.
Ellen: Well, Athena tells Bobby to go back to like, Bobby’s like, “how about I tell ’em I’m not coming back to work?” And Athena’s like, “No, no, you go to work. The city can use [00:15:00] all the heroes it can get right now.”
Bex: No, because she needs him out of the way so she can do nefarious shit. ’cause she knows Bobby’s not gonna let her do it.
Ellen: Yeah,
Bex: she’s quite happy to drag Michael around though.
Ellen: And Michael just like press gangs Bobby into taking David home. Uh, that was
Bex: poor David.
Ellen: I know. He’s just getting shuffled around. Um, so then Michael sits Athena down and is like, “okay, so what are we doing?”
Athena’s like, “I told you the plan.” And he, and he is like looking at her going, “Girl, come on. Like, I know you, that was not the plan. What are we doing?” So they go off on their vigilante mission, which apparently like, um, uh, what’s her name? The chief lady?
Bex: Elaine,
Ellen: I forgot her name already. Elaine is totally on board with that because.
Bex: Oh yeah, sorry.
Ellen: Later they’re talking to her on the phone and she’s like, okay, you know, off you go then
Bex: as much as [00:16:00] Athena should be riding a desk and having internal affairs investigate her for everything that happened, Elaine also needs to be raked over the calls for allowing Athena to continue to work this case after Harry was taken or being actively involved in trying to find Harry. ’cause that’s a massive, like, conflict of interest there.
Alice: But Athena’s never done anything unprofessional or, you know, as payback. Yeah. Like
Ellen: obviously Elaine knew she was gonna do it.
Bex: Yes. But there’s, there is a difference between I know you’re gonna do it and then like actively helping her do it.
Ellen: I mean, I, I guess she could have also said, if you do this, you are gonna be in big trouble. Like you are gonna be.
Bex: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I think that’s all they needed. They needed to have Elaine going, do not do this. I’m ordering you not to do this. And then Athena goes off and does it anyway.
Alice: I mean, Athena doesn’t care because like, lose job, lose son, I’d rather lose my job.
Ellen: I thought [00:17:00] you were talking about Lou Ransone there for a minute. I’m like, Lou’s son? What?
Bex: I know! Lou has a son?
Alice: Lou’s son?
Ellen: I was confused like, oh, lose, okay. Oh, it’s gonna be a long, a long night. Um, so Athena just assumes that he’s using Lou’s car. See, here we are actually talking about Lou Ransone his car and his badge.
Alice: He, he lost his car?
Bex: Well, here’s the other thing. I mean, we know that she’s, that he’s using Lou’s car and we know that he’s using Lou’s badge.
But how do they know? Are they just assuming? Have they had…
Ellen: Yeah, they don’t know what car he’s in though. They’re just assuming that he got away with,
Bex: they’re just making massive
Ellen: Well, I’m guessing Lou’s car wasn’t at the Yeah. Wasn’t where they found him.
Bex: So they can’t find the car. So they just assume that Jeffrey’s taken it?
Ellen: I guess so.
Bex: I mean they’re correct because he is [00:18:00] driving Lou’s car and he does have Harry in the boot of the car
Alice: of the lost car.
Ellen: I feel like if he was smart then he would’ve like ditched that car and found a different car to drive around.
Bex: Don’t think anybody think has ever accused Jeffrey of being smart.
Ellen: Yeah. Up.
Uh, so speaking of the car, Harry is still in the boot, in the trunk if you’d like to call it that. Um, he cuts manage to cuts his hands free.
Bex: Yeah, he, it looks like at this point Jeffrey’s using good old fashioned rope to tie Harry up and there is something sharp in the back of the boot. So Harry is able to, um, very quickly and very easily saw through to, um, to get his, his hands free and that he is able to release himself from the boot while, um, Jeffrey’s going paint shopping.
Ellen: Yeah. You know, what is this place? It’s just like a warehouse that happens [00:19:00] to have some cans of paint.
Bex: I think it’s like the back of a, I don’t even know. I’m assuming it, it it is some kind of hardware store or some kind of tool shop or something that he’s broken into.
Alice: Yeah. I tried not, I tried not to think about it too, too hard. It was the, the magic, the magic back alley of paint tins that match perfectly to abandoned houses. It’s the official name of the alleyway. It’s a really big sign.
Ellen: Mm-hmm.
Alice: Yeah. I
Ellen: There, hang on. If he was, he was, he was involved in the building of, of the houses. Maybe this is where they store their stuff, like their paint and shit.
Bex: He’s a real estate agent. He’s not a construction dude. He would’ve had like no actual input in the housing estate.
Ellen: Yeah, but he might know where they are
Bex: and I don’t think we are putting way too
Ellen: anyway, doesn’t, it doesn’t matter
Bex: much thought into this. The writers did not put this much thought into it. What matters is a, Jeffrey has procured paint, which will be important for later on, and two, Harry has managed to [00:20:00] escape from the car, but has not run away.
Ellen: Yeah, he’s hiding.
Bex: He’s just decided to hide under one. Why? Why the fuck didn’t he run?
Ellen: Maybe he thought that jeffrey was coming back imminently.
Bex: I know why he didn’t run because you know, they, this is only what, 10 minutes into the episode and they need the rest of the episode and they need Harry in peril.
And it’s really hard to put Harry in peril if Harry is not there. So they need him to be stupid and just hide under the nearest car and like close his eyes and hope that because he can’t see anything, nobody can see him, which of course does not work out for him because Jeffrey immediately finds him and drags him out.
Ellen: Um, but also there’s someone else there at this point. So it works out for Harry,
Bex: yeah, because some woman has decided that walking through an abandoned industrial area is the perfect place to walk her dog.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Um,
Ellen: it is a weird place to walk her dog for sure.
Bex: And [00:21:00] it’s so, she just happens to be walking her dog through this abandoned area and sees Jeffrey manhandling Harry back into the car and this.
She is there because Harry then yells at her that this guy is not a cop. He’s going, “he’s not a cop, he’s gonna kill me. Please start recording this incident. My parents need to know what happened to me.” So this woman does pull out her phone and does start recording.
Ellen: Totally thought that Jeffrey was gonna turn around and like
Bex: shoot her?
Ellen: I don’t know if he has a gun at this point. I guess he does. Yeah. He points it at Harry at one point during the scene.
Bex: Yes, he has a gun.
Ellen: So yeah, I expected him to do something to her, but he just shows her his police badge when she asks to see it and then drives off. So.
Bex: I love this, He’s like, okay, like here’s my badge. I told you I’m a cop. And then he [00:22:00] stops, picks up the cans of paint, loads them into the boot, and then like shoves Harry into the car, as if that’s perfectly normal. Something that a police officer would do if they were actually
Alice: Yeah. A normal cop thing. Well, I mean, yeah,
Ellen: it’s weird. And the woman knows it’s weird as she goes, drives off.
She looks very worried.
Bex: Mm-hmm.
Ellen: And then she goes and posts it on social media. But we don’t find that out until later,
Bex: thankfully no. First we’re going to a seemingly random 9-1-1 call for a, uh, a gunshot in the PPZ. The dispatcher has never heard of this. The caller says it’s the autonomous cop free zone. So the 118 get dispatched down to this area.
Um, but they’re not allowed in because they are part of the government and nobody involved in the government is allowed into the PPZ.
Ellen: Really didn’t [00:23:00] care about this part. It was weird. No, the only reason I cared about this part was because the 118 were there.
Bex: Mm-hmm.
Ellen: That was, this is the first time we see them in this episode.
Bex: Yes.
Ellen: And I was like, oh, they’re doing something. But yeah, I’m, I’m guessing this is because the power is out and chaos is raining in the city.
Alice: It was a thing during like COVID and the George Floyd stuff. Yeah. There was, where there was like an anti Antifa. Antifa?
Never said that word out loud before. Um, exclusion zone thing, um, set up and Yeah, like they were very much like anti-government, very anti cops.
Bex: Yeah. There was a big one in Seattle. It was like several blocks in the middle of Seattle, um, that was autonomous. Um, and to start with, the cops were like, we’re just gonna let ’em do what they wanna do. But eventually, I think the local businesses got [00:24:00] Jack of it, um, and demanded that the city do something, so they stormed in and took it all down.
Alice: Right. Yeah. Like it was very, very topical at the like Yes. Back when it was a thing. Yeah. But like now we’re five years after that, everyone’s just like, what’s going on? Yeah.
Ellen: It just, I mean, now it, it feels a bit like sovereign citizen stuff.
Bex: Unfortunately, at the time it was, it was really quite revolutionary because it was so peaceful and they were taking care of everybody.
There were, um, like canteens that you could go to get food. There were like lending libraries where you could get, you know, mostly rebellion and revolutionary and sort of, um, anti-cop, anti-government literature. But there were books that you could get. They had supplies for surviving protests and first aid kits for when you got tear gas.
You could go and, you know, get some milk to pour on your eyes and that sort of thing. [00:25:00] Um, right. It was very interesting at the time. But yeah, it’s, it has kind of. Uh, in the intervening years, the, the perception is kind of skewed and I don’t think it’s portrayed in particularly the best light in this episode.
Ellen: No. Well, I mean, it’s not, they’re, the people who are in there aren’t being, you know, particularly violent or anything. They’re, they’re all getting on with whatever they’re doing. But there’s a lot, there seems to be a lot of people in there. They’re just not letting the 118 come in to help somebody who’s in there.
Bex: Yes.
Ellen: Buck’s trying to use a metro station to sneak into the area.
Bex: Oh. So, you know, nice little foreshadowing there. Hey, there’s a metro station in this area. I wonder if we need that information later on in the episode. Nah, I’m sure it’ll be fine. Um, so Bobby has just been kicked out of Athena’s and has tracked down the 118 and he is [00:26:00] just decided that this situation is the perfect place to release some tension for, um, what’s happening in his personal life.
Ellen: Oh my God. Who let Bobby go back to work. Seriously.
Bex: And so he, like, he storms up and he’s with the 118. He’s like, why the fuck are you guys all just standing around? And they’re like, they won’t let us in. So it just like kicks over the metal barricade and just storms straight through the middle of the the PPZ zone.
Ellen: Yeah. This guy tries to stop him and he is like, you are not supposed to be here. And Bobby’s like, I’m not supposed to crack your skull open with this either. It’s like, oh my God, Bobby, please.
Bex: And the rest of the 118 are just like scurrying after him. I’m like, oh my God. Yeah. We are just gonna stick close behind you and hope that you don’t turn
Ellen: on us. Yeah. So Bobby gets to the guy who’s been shot and he diagnoses him [00:27:00] as. Having an an intact brachial artery. So good on you. Bobby. Eddie’s like looking at Chim or, so he’s, he’s sort of indicating towards Bobby going, what is his problem?
Alice: I gotta say Chim’s facial expressions in these three, like three open episodes have been great.
Ellen: Yeah, well they haven’t had much dialogue. They’ve gotta get involved somehow. That’s it. So they, they go on the face journey instead.
Bex: Yeah. I’m assuming that Eddie was looking at Buck.
Ellen: Yeah. By the time they get back out to the ambulance Buck’s, like gently kind of approaching what will be going on.
“That was awesome. Um, not having it tonight. Huh?” And then, so then he actually tells them that Harry’s been kidnapped and they’re all like, what? Um, I think that’s the last we see of them for a little while, sadly.
Bex: Yep. Unfortunately. So, um. Basic, it’s just, Jeffrey’s still got [00:28:00] Harry. Apparently when, um, he was arresting Harry and I, I’ve got bunny ears going, arresting Harry back at the, um, industrial lot, he shoved Harry into the backseat, but he’s actually sick of this kid’s crap. ’cause this kid’s like, I don’t care what my, “you think you think that my mother is who you have to worry about? You have to worry about my dad. He’s gonna kick your ass.” Not sure which dad he’s talking about, but yeah, both of them would very, very gladly kick Jeffrey’s ass at this point.
Mm-hmm. Um, so Jeffrey’s like, yeah, fuck it. You’re getting back into the, uh, the boot. This time I’m putting plastic zip ties on you ’cause you’re not gonna be able to cut through those.
Ellen: Ouch. Where did he find those? I wonder. Everyone’s just got zip ties sitting around the back of their car?
Bex: I’m assuming he grabbed them when he grabbed the paint. Like he went on a full sort of shopping spree maybe, but maybe he pulled them out from the back of Lou’s boot, who knows? Overthinking. [00:29:00] You can’t do that with this episode.
Ellen: Okay. Um, this next scene is actually very funny.
Bex: This, yeah. So we’ve got, um, Athena and Michael who are, um, doing their double act looking for Harry. They’re on their way to Lou’s apartment and they’re, they’re having a bit of a chat about what’s going on.
Ellen: So he’d obviously told Athena that Harry had been charging people to come into the house and, um, Athena’s like “It was enterprising.” Uh, she thinks it’s funny,
Bex: uh, Michael is, uh, trying to understand why Jeffrey hates Athena so much. Um, he doesn’t understand why this guy could have been halfway to Mexico by now, but instead he stuck around for the purpose of torturing Athena and Athena’s just like “I shot his dick off.” Michael was like, “You did what?” She said,
Ellen: She says she shot off his junk. I’m like, why? I don’t know why they like, in this time slot, obviously [00:30:00] they’re not allowed to use the word penis. I don’t know. They’re not allowed to use even like, you know, dick or whatever. So,
Bex: but did she have to call it a magic wand?
Ellen: Yeah. If, if this had been in real life, she absolutely would’ve said, I I should his cock off.
Bex: Yeah. He’s magic, magic wand. Dance around it. Magic. What the fuck are you talking about? I think they could’ve got dicked through in this time.
Cock. Probably not. Dick. Definitely. Um, I don’t understand why they couldn’t have just used penis. ’cause that is like the scientific and the anatomical term. I, but no, we get TV sensor is we get magic wand, which just, Ew, I think that’s grosser than cock.
Ellen: Yeah. But I mean, they, they have a nice bit of levity here, I guess, while they’re in this very stressful situation where Michael’s just laughing because it’s, it’s poetic considering what you arrested him for.
Bex: And then you, [00:31:00] Athena says he was using it as a weapon, and I’m just, I’m getting like visuals of that I don’t really want in my head.
Ellen: Mm-hmm.
Bex: Um, yeah.
Ellen: Michael’s like, you disarmed him. Ugh. She didn’t do it on purpose, she says, so okay, whatever. But they, they get there, where are they going? Lou’s apartment? That’s right.
Bex: They’re going to Lou’s apartment because they assume that Jeffrey has been using Lou’s apartment as a base. And really the only thing they find there is that, um, Jeffrey took a photo that he found in Lou’s files of Athena’s beaten face, like evidence of her assault and hung it up on the wall.
In that, in the same frame of that photo that of Athena and Lou with their medals in the middle of the wall at a really weird height and a really weird placement.
Ellen: Yeah, it’s really strange. So yeah, Michael starts, you know, they, they think [00:32:00] maybe that’s not the only thing he, he’s left behind, they can find something else. So Michael just starts opening drawers and Athena’s telling him off for touching stuff at the crime scene.
Bex: And that’s why you don’t bring civilians along on a police investigations.
Alice: Yeah. Athena’s literally like the entire room’s filled with evidence and Michael’s like, I don’t care. And just flips the coffee table. It’s like, dude,
Ellen: and he’s, he’s kind of freaking out though.
Bex: Yeah. Understandably.
Ellen: He probably should not be there,
Bex: luckily. Oh, neither of them should be there.
Ellen: No, absolutely not.
Bex: Luckily for both of them. Um, Athena gets a phone call from May, uh, because May has, uh, like a, a Google alert or something set up on her phone for videos of cops acting out. And the video of that the dog Walker took of Harry has been uploaded and May has seen it and she’s [00:33:00] tracked down the person who, um, took the video.
Ellen: Yeah. I don’t know how these guys still, well, I guess Athena and Michael have got, um, well, sorry. Athena and Bobby have got power because of their generators.
I was gonna say they’ve been, it’s several days into this blackout and everyone still has phone reception, but um, yeah, they have a generator, so, and dispatch has power.
Bex: Dispatch has power. Yeah.
Alice: Dispatch is magical. It’s also is still working completely fine even though there was apparently a cyber attack.
Ellen: I, that’s all done now apparently. We don’t even hear anything about the cyber attack in this episode. Right. Except I think they mentioned maybe at the very end.
Bex: Yeah. And that was it. I think Taylor drops it. Um, yeah. But I’m, I’m assuming that they’re also using their cars to like charge their phones as well. ’cause the cars are working fine.
Ellen: Mm-hmm.
Bex: Anyway, so, uh, Athena and Michael go for, decide that they’re gonna move on from Lou’s apartment. They’re gonna go to, um, [00:34:00] this, as Elaine calls her quote unquote nosy Karen, although actually she’s a Judy, um, to interrogate her about anything else that she saw or that she can tell them.
Jeffrey meanwhile is, um, has found his way to an abandoned housing estate where he shoves Harry into the wall of one of the houses and boards him up.
Ellen: Yeah. Like screws in a plasterboard sort of over the top of it
Bex: and then paints it.
Ellen: And he’s like yelling and Jeffrey’s like, “No one’s here to hear you, so bye.”
Bex: And he, he does, he does like jab a knife in and sort of twist it to, to make things worse for Harry because he tells Harry that, um, this is all Athena’s fault and she has a choice. She can either save Harry or she can come after Jeffrey. She can’t do both. So [00:35:00] if, you know, the longer that you stay here, you know that she’s chosen me over you.
Ellen: Fuck you, Jeffrey.
Bex: I would actually have, I thought, I think that could have been a really interesting, um, storyline if they had made that an actual possibility. If Jeffrey’s like
Alice: if they pull it off properly? Yeah.
Bex: Yeah. Like Jeffrey’s, like if you go here, you can get Harry. If you go here, you can get me, but if you come and get me first, Harry is dead.
Alice: Yeah. That like, I thought that it’d be like. Oh, look, Harry’s suspended over a train and he’s gonna get hit, but also I’m about to run away and you have to choose between us.
Bex: Or instead something like,
Alice: instead he was just like, um,
Bex: Harry’s locked in somewhere. He’s got, you know, he’s running, running out of oxygen.
Yeah. If you, if you come after me, he’s gonna die before you, or I’ve injected him with something. If you don’t get to him and get him the antidote, he will die. Um, because I think that would still [00:36:00] work because Jeffrey would still be assuming that Athena would be working alone. And so he’s
Alice: Yeah. But it doesn’t make any sense because he doesn’t tell Athena where Harry is,
Bex: is he never gives Athena that option of come and get me or come and get Harry. He never sets it up. It’s just like, it’s a jab act to sort of get into Harry’s head.
Alice: Yeah, that’s it. He is literally just torturing this kid and then is like, ha ha, now I’m gonna call Athena and lure her into a trap. What? Yeah.
Bex: Yeah. I, I just badly written, so badly written, because that’s. The next part of the episode is Jeffrey calls Athena and he is like, you know, come alone or Harry will die.
And, and she’s like, as far as he’s concerned, he very meek, she very meekly goes off and follows what he’s saying. Ditching her husband as she does it.
Ellen: Yeah, he, she leaves Michael behind Michael’s like, oh, okay. The woman, the Karen lady, sorry. The [00:37:00] Judy is like, “Is that your wife?” And he is like “Ex-wife”, like damn.
Alice: Yeah. Why are you calling her babe then
Bex: That Yes!
Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. That was weird. Yeah,
Alice: it was so weird.
Ellen: Old habits. I don’t know,
Alice: like I, did Michael ever call Athena babe? I feel like Athena would be the type of person where Michael would call her babe and he’d, she’d be like, don’t call me babe.
Bex: No, definitely not.
Alice: Does Bobby call her Babe? I’m trying to work out if they have Nick like pet names now.
Ellen: Uh, he did in the last episode, I think.
Bex: I think he calls her Athena.
Alice: Yeah, that’s right. Like that’s so romantic of you. Bobby calling your wife by her name.
Ellen: I’m pretty sure in the last episode he did actually call her Babe.
Bex: Who? Michael Or, or Bobby?
Ellen: No, Bobby.
Bex: Bobby called her babe?
Ellen: Yeah, when they’re on the phone and he was saying to her, I hope you murder your dude tonight.[00:38:00]
Alice: Literally
Ellen: he called her babe.
Bex: Uh, okay.
Ellen: I might be remembering it wrong, but I’m pretty sure that was in the transcript. I, or I remember when he did it and I was like, why did he call her babe? He never calls her babe.
Bex: No, there is no babe in last week’s episode.
Ellen: Really? Maybe he says baby or something like that.
Bex: Okay. I’m looking baby. Uh, Athena calls Harry Ba. Oh no, we’ve got, lets, we’ve got Athena calling. We’ve got a baby. We’ve got a baby. Nobody’s calling anyone baby yet. Baby, baby, baby, baby.
Ellen: There was a baby. There was lots of baby.
Bex: He call. Okay. He calls her baby.
Ellen: Thank you. I’m not going crazy. Interesting.
Bex: Yeah.
Athe, Athena, like Bobby says, quote, “you are doing your job. Those women have been hurt enough already. Besides, there’s a good chance he never even shows.” Athena. Is it bad that I hope he does. Bobby, I hope that for you too baby. [00:39:00]
Alice: That’s so weird.
Bex: Bobby Nash. Did you just hope I come face to face with a dangerous escape fugitive tonight? I believe I did. Well, that may be the sweetest thing that you have ever said to me.
Ellen: Yes. Obviously she’s into it. Oh, apparently.
Bex: Okay. Um, he, she then goes on to say. I want you to be the one who gets him, except this time don’t shoot him in the leg. And Athena says, oh, I’m gonna aim higher.
Ellen: Oh, did they just forget that? Okay. I, the, the writers are not speaking to each other again.
Bex: Apparently not because we’ve gone from Jeffrey just getting shot to specifically Jeffrey getting shot in the leg and like, oh no, we’re actually gonna shoot him in the dick now. Yeah. Okay.
Ellen: Oh my God.
Bex: Interesting. No, I think it’s the writers of episode two were not talking to Kristen. And Kristen has just gone, actually I want him shot in the dick. ’cause that’s just much more poetic, you know, rapist being shot in the deck. Okay. So [00:40:00] we’ve got, Michael has, um, been ditched possibly for calling Athena babe. Um, more likely because she’s just received a phone call from Jeffrey telling her to come to a secret location and come alone, or your son dies.
Um. And wouldn’t, you know, at the secret location is the cop free autonomous zone.
Ellen: What a surprise.
Alice: Which has never been mentioned until this episode. Yeah.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: So fucking stupid. I hate, it’s one of my pet peeves along with when they pick up bags that like coffee cups that clearly have nothing in them, when they introduce something like when it’s something long running and they introduce something in that episode, it’s, it’s just so lazy. Like if they’d mentioned it even two episodes ago,
Ellen: it’s not very subtle as it, like if
Alice: they’d mentioned it in episode one of this and then brought it back, I wouldn’t have been as mad.
Bex: Yes.
Alice: But they literally brought it [00:41:00] in two scenes ago and then they go like, oh, I get to use it. It’s like, that’s not enough suspense.
Like when they arrive it’s like, oh wow, I wonder if this is gonna come back. Like, whereas if they just mentioned it on a call before all this happened and then Jeffrey used it would’ve been like, oh fuck, that’s actually really smart. Um, because we didn’t know Jeffrey was like in play back then, but now we’re like, oh, okay.
Wow. Cops aren’t allowed in here. I wonder if they’re gonna try and were the cops in here?
Bex: I just keep thinking back to, I think it was season two or season three, maybe season two, um, where they had those like four episodes where they introduced, um, the guy that was fixing the ladder truck in like one scene.
He’s just in one scene. In one episode. Yeah. And then like two episodes later, he became a major part of the episode.
Ellen: He’s the he’s the bad guy. Yeah.
Bex: See that?
Alice: Yeah, that was great because it was like, oh yeah, they had to fix the ladder track. That makes sense. And then, oh shit. Yeah. [00:42:00] Yes. That was great. That was amazing foreshadowing.
Bex: Yeah, you had writers who worked together over four, three or four episodes to set up a scenario and then have it play out three or four episodes later. In this situation, the beginning of season three, each writer is writing their own episode and none of them are talking to each other.
Ellen: Mm-hmm.
Bex: Yeah. There’s no collaboration and Yeah, it sucks.
Alice: Yeah. It was like they were like, oh, we need drama. Let’s bring back that guy from a whole season ago to be drama, and it’s just like, yeah, we didn’t care about it then. We don’t care about it now. I know. You tell him Autumn,
Ellen: Autumn doesn’t care either.
Bex: I think we, I think we could have cared about it if it had been written better. It just, yeah, there was, there was intention that was not executed properly, in my opinion.
Alice: Exactly. Yeah.
Bex: In my expert [00:43:00] television writing opinion.
Alice: Whereas, yeah, if they’d reintroduced it and said in episode one, I would’ve been much happier about it.
Bex: Yeah.
Alice: Because it would’ve been like, oh, that’s cool. They’re doing like the thing that was actually a big deal in this time.
Bex: And it could have actually made sense because they could have had, you know, the ransomware attack city goes into lockdown. People are annoyed that the government is not doing what it’s supposed to do. Cops are being cops. So they band together and create this zone where they’re just, they’re just decided they’re gonna help themselves.
But for it to just pop up out of nowhere and then disappear again into the ether, only to serve as a plot device for this very specific plot.
Alice: Like they could have still had the Bobby being mad thing too, because when Oh yeah. Jeffrey first escaped because there was, there was that time in episode one between when they found out.
In episode one, he escaped the court and then Lou found him like after. Right. But there is that period of time where he was on the run. [00:44:00] So Bo Bobby still could have been angry, still could have stormed in and done the whole angry Bobby thing, and then they could have brought it back two episodes later and it would’ve been like, oh shit, they’re actually using it now.
Ellen: That didn’t have to be in this episode.
Alice: That’s really clever, but instead Yeah, they just used it two scenes before they brought it as an important plot device, and it was just like, wow. Not subtle at all
Ellen: anyway, at least
Alice: and then they picked up some very empty coffee cups and threw them around at each other.
Ellen: Yeah. Well, at least we are back in the station house. So we, with our, our, our friends again, um, except that Bobby’s just sitting in the locker room just staring. Buck’s like, “What is he doing? He hasn’t moved.” They decide to leave him alone because he’s going through a lot. But then they, yeah. Then we go actually to Bobby and he’s, he’s doing the rosary beads and praying.
Poor Bobby, he’s really worried. Yes. He can’t do anything ’cause he’s stuck at work. ’cause Athena told him to butt out. Um, but then Michael rings him and tells him they’ve got an emergency, I’m stuck and [00:45:00] she’s taken off without me. Come get me.
Bex: That’s what I thought that was. I really thought it was. Um, like your wife ditched me and now she’s gone off after a psychopath. Please come get me.
Ellen: Please come pick me up. I don’t know where I am,
Bex: I’m scared
Alice: Mom, come get me. I’m scared.
Bex: I mean obviously it’s, it’s more than that but it, in that instance that’s, I guess that’s what we were supposed to think, that it was just, you know, come get me.
Ellen: But I don’t think they actually do go and get Michael. They just go to Athena’s rescue. ’cause I don’t think Michael’s with them when they show up there.
Bex: No, I think the fact that, um, like in retrospect, the fact that we see the, in, we see the, the ladder truck rolling out. I don’t think Bobby would’ve taken the ladder truck to go pick up Michael. It’s, it’s,
Ellen: no,
Bex: it’s a bit of a, it’s a, a deflection was we,
Ellen: I mean, we don’t even know [00:46:00] what they’re doing because the alarm goes off. Right? So it could have been another emergency that they’re going to, to start with. Yeah. It’s just made to look like they’re rolling out for no reason. Anyway. Athena actually shows up
Bex: anyway
Ellen: at the Zone, the protection zone. Uh, the woman who was guarding the, the gate last time,
Bex: mm-hmm.
Ellen: asks her if she’s lost and she’s like, “No, this is the People’s Protection Zone. I’m people.” And the lady’s like, “You need protection?” It’s like “I do, actually.”
Bex: And if you think that we’re just paraphrasing. No. She literally says, I am people.
Alice: Yeah. Yep. Um, and you need protection. Actually I do. That’s literally the writing here.
Ellen: Yeah. Anyway, she says this, she, she tells them that, um, Jeffrey is a cop and shows them a video of what he looks like and he’s holding up the badge. So [00:47:00] apparently this is gonna be shared around. I don’t know how they’re gonna do that, but
Alice: also, so there has been like no reception, no power, nothing for like, what, three days now?
Ellen: Apparently the phones are still working
Alice: a week? What are we up to? Yeah. And, uh, for some reason the PPZ.
Bex: Six days?
Alice: Yeah. The PPZ all, everyone just starts texting each other with no issues at all.
Ellen: Everyone phone’s working.
Alice: Yeah. Where one, where are they charging? Because there’s no power. Two, how is
Bex: generators?
Alice: They were just talking about how like the woman who uploaded the video said that everything’s still jammed and it took like ages to upload the video, but everyone’s just texting and to like, it’s just so stupid.
Ellen: I think you’re not supposed to ask
Bex: I’m, I just assumed everyone in the PPZ is um, on or iPhone uses and so they’re just airdropping the video around
Ellen: maybe.
Alice: Yeah, but oh my God. It did annoy me because it was the, like, it was the text tone and I kept checking my phone, even though I knew that it was the text tone I kept like glancing at it.
I’m like, oh my God, it’s the fucking TV show. [00:48:00] I really need to change it from the default text tone, but it’s effort.
Ellen: I don’t even know what my phone sounds like when I get a text ’cause it’s just on silent all the time. It buzzes when I get a text. Anyway,
Bex: so, okay, so this video of Jeffrey going “see I’m a cop” is being, uh, airdropped or text or somehow is disseminated
Alice: magically sent to the entire PPZ.
Bex: to everybody in the PPZ, um, while Athena is calling Jeffrey saying that I’m here, um, they have a little bit of, um, back and forth, in which Athena basically tells Jeffrey that he’s walked into an anti-cop zone, but she’s just told everybody in the zone that he is a cop and everybody starts chasing him because he’s not hiding very well.
Well, he is not hiding at all, ‘
Ellen: cause he.
No, they recognize him.
Alice: Doesn’t think that. Yeah. Yeah. Like he doesn’t think that they’re gonna turn on him.
Bex: Yeah. [00:49:00] Um, and, but they do. They turn on him and they chase him into aforementioned, uh, Metro station.
Alice: Also, can I just say thank God I wasn’t there because they’d airdrop me a video. I’d look at the video and then look straight at Jeffrey and be like, no, it’s not the same guy.
Bex: You wouldn’t have recognized him.
Alice: No.
Ellen: I mean, it was dark, there’s no power.
Alice: I’d be looking at some other, I’d be looking at some other generic white guy and be like, is that him? And people would be like, that guy has totally different hair.
And I’d be like, are you sure? I’d be, I’d be pointing at Bobby going, holy shit, that’s him. And everyone would be like, whatcha talking about? I’m like, I dunno. Generic white male. Don’t ask me.
Ellen: Um, okay, so they’re in the metro station. Let’s just fast forward this part, is so stupid.
Bex: Um, they’re in, they’re in the metro station. Jeffrey is hiding. Athena is yelling at him, uh, telling him that, you know, all is not lost. ’cause Ransone isn’t actually dead. We, you probably didn’t know that, but he is not dead. So you’re [00:50:00] not going away for murder. We know that Lila did it and the. The cult, the, the final line is, “I know things seem dark right now and hopeless, but they’re not hopeless and they’re most definitely not dark.”
And then Jeffrey, she’s, she’s like standing with her back on behind one of these concrete pillars and she spins around and Jeffrey’s like, oh my God, you found me. And then immediately headlights illuminate him because somehow they got the fucking truck into the tracks.
Ellen: I don’t understand,
Alice: without being heard. Like they were just waiting down there for ages.
Ellen: How did this, how did this happen?
Alice: Also, I think she’s managed to open up her thing again so that they can all just hear when she is being
Ellen: yes to, to get the cue
Alice: dramatic
Ellen: to turn the lights on. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It’s a great dramatic kind of reveal, but how. Just how
Bex: [00:51:00] it’s, yeah, it’s one of those like, wow, that worked really well, like on screen, but how the fuck would that have worked in real life?
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Because like, how does she know where Jeffrey was? Was she actually hurting him into position? I’m not even gonna think about it because
Ellen: No, don’t. No you can’t. Because he ran down there and she followed him and then she what? Got on the phone to Bobby and went, Hey, get the truck down. And the, and the thing, it’s like,
Bex: I think the assumption is that as soon as Jeffrey told her, come here and come alone, she’s already immediately called everybody and their kids and gone, this is what we’re gonna do.
Because she’s got May and Josh in dispatch on the line listening, and she’s got the 118 down there. So
Ellen: anyway, anyways, it’s very dramatic. Um,
Bex: it’s very dramatic. It works beautifully on tv.
Alice: Um, did we mention that, that Athena called him a bitch?
Bex: Like Jeffrey’s like, “wow, you lured me down here.” And Athena’s like, “no bitch, I chased you down [00:52:00] here.” Maybe that’s why they couldn’t say dick earlier because they were saving their, they used it on so could say bitch. Yeah,
Alice: which is so stupid. Like it’s just so dumb. And then she’s like, “yeah, I’ve got no end of backup.” And it’s literally, it just cuts to Josh and May listening on dispatch, like, okay, what are they gonna do? They’re in dispatch.
Ellen: They can send people to her I guess, but like,
Alice: sure. But yeah, so they have some back, some stupid back and forth. Athena makes fun of him not being able to pee standing up, which is, you know, super lovely. And then is like, “don’t make me shoot you again.” And Jeffrey’s like, “oh, is that your firefighter husband?”
And he aims the gun just towards the lights because like it’s pitch black except for the glare of the lights. So there’s no way he can see through to the head… to the
Bex: He would have no idea what he’s looking at
Alice: And like all he does is aim the gun. And Athena shoots him, but not just shoots him. She shoots him five times.[00:53:00]
Bex: Mm-hmm.
Alice: Like it’s not just like getting him down. She shoots him five times. Yeah. And then is like, oh damn. It’s like, you did it. It’s not like he shot himself.
Ellen: She said she reacted like she jumped into action kind of thing. But like
Bex: Absolutely. Shoot him. Shoot him. And I’m not even gonna
Alice: but five times?
Bex: Yeah. It’s the five times that I had take issue with. Um, um, I’m not even gonna argue like you could have like, shot his hand to get him to drop the gun. No, because they’re taught to shoot like body mass aimed for like the biggest part of the body, but not, but it would’ve been like, and like I could understand five times if say the first bullet hadn’t put him down or she shoots him and then he swings the gun to point at her, so she has to shoot him again.
But she doesn’t even give him a chance to react. It’s just five bullets. One after the other.
Alice: And then Jeffrey like goes down and it’s just like, yeah, it wasn’t even loaded. And she’s like, what? And then she’s like, [00:54:00] “oh, where’s Harry? Tell me where he is.” Then rounds on the 118 who are out of the truck, um, and is like, “keep him alive!”
It’s like, because they’re, you shot him 12 times, what do you think they’re gonna do? Like
Bex: They also take no action to keep him alive. Like they race over
Alice: Oh yeah. They literally just stand, they’re standing there still eating popcorn. And Chim’s, like “He’s not breathing.” It’s like, Chim, you, you might wanna actually check.
Um, and Hen’s like, “Yeah, there’s no pulse.” It’s like, can you touch him? Like there’s no, oh no, there’s no pulse.
Ellen: I think they do,
Alice: they do check. They do check. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Ellen: But
Bex: yeah, but there’s no like, Hey, let’s put pressure on all of the wounds. Hey, let’s get, you know, some fluids into him, see if we can, you know, try and keep him alive.
Alice: He was shot five times. How are you gonna keep pressure? Like, she basically shot him through all the, like, all the essential arteries. I, and then is like, Hey,
Bex: I don’t know,
Alice: stop all the essential arteries from bleeding out.
Bex: I [00:55:00] don’t know, it’s just, it seems very like, Athena’s going keep him alive. And they’re like, mm, no, actually no.
Alice: Like he, he has injuries not compatible with life at this point. They’re not, they can’t do anything. That’s literally what it’s called. Mind you, that’s, that’s the technical term is like injuries not compatible with life.
Bex: Injuries not compatible with life.
Alice: Yep. Um, that is actually the, the technical, yeah, the technical term in the medical, um, field, uh, which apparently 9-1-1 is all about this week is accuracy in the medical scene.
So I’m just keeping up with a trend. Yeah, it’s, it’s so dumb. So dumb. So then Athena’s like shaking him like, “where is he? Where is he? Where is he? Tell me where he is!” And of course, Jeffrey doesn’t ’cause Jeffrey’s fucking dead because you shot him 18 times.
Bex: Yes. And despite that like excessive use of force and despite the fact that this is her son, Elaine is continuing to allow Athena to work the case because we cut back [00:56:00] to the
Alice: ’cause why not
Bex: head police headquarters, um, and Athena is now on the, like it’s not Where’s Waldo? It’s where’s Harry? And Michael is still involved in the investigation too. ’cause why not? If you’re letting you know, dirty cop on, you may as well let dirty cops ex-husband join in as well.
Ellen: Yeah, so Athena and, and Elaine are looking at the board trying to connect the dots, and meanwhile Michael is looking at the evidence in the little bags and he finds, um, some keys in the pile of stuff.
Um, apparently the, the real estate office that he worked out of was broken into a few days ago, but there was lots of, apparently other businesses around the area were broken into, and Athena’s like, “Why would looters hit a real estate office?” And then Michael’s the one who connects these particular dots and, um, asked if any of the keys were missing from the real [00:57:00] estate office
Bex: because they found a set of keys on Jeffrey.
Ellen: So they figure out that, so no, they, they don’t even figure anything out. They ask May.
Bex: Yeah, because they don’t have an entire
Ellen: as the young person with the google skills,
Bex: they don’t have entire police department to you know, do research and look into anything. There May is sitting in dispatch doing nothing. So they get her to, you know, Google stalk Jeffrey and where he worked, um, she finds a housing development in nearby Valencia. So everybody’s off.
Ellen: I like how when they get there, Michael goes to, he says to Bobby, “I have keys.” And Bobby’s like, “we don’t need keys.”
Alice: Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.
Bex: ’cause Bobby is in the battalion car and he doesn’t give a fuck about stopping to open that chainlink fence in front of the housing development.
Um, ’cause he’s in like Wreck it Ralph mode and he [00:58:00] just smashes the battalion car straight through that chainlink fence. And I’m looking at it going, Bobby, they just fixed that. Please don’t destroy the battalion car again.
Ellen: That’s right. Um, I don’t know why Athena has called in, or you know, the cops have called in the 118 to help with this.
Bex: Oh, the cops didn’t call the 118. Bobby has called in the 118. He’s like, my stepson is missing. Y’all are gonna help me find him. Yeah. Or you’re gonna be on like toilet duty for the next month.
Ellen: I mean, I’m glad they are involved because I’ve been missing them because they’re not in this episode much, but in, in, in reality, they probably, none of these people would be doing this, right?
Bex: No, absolutely not. None of them. It would, it would be LAPD doing this. Athena would not be allowed there. Michael would not be allowed there. Bobby possibly would not be allowed there either, even if they did call in LAPD. ’cause also that’s his [00:59:00] stepson too close to the situation
Ellen: anyway. They searched the houses, they can’t find anything. Uh, they’re not sure what to do next. And then Buck finds a can of paint. Okay, Buck. Um, but now Bobby’s like check for we paint. It’s like, well how are you connecting these dots?
Alice: It’s just so weird.
Bex: And then I love that it’s like check for, we paint so like there’s 10 people in one room at this point and they all start searching that room.
Ellen: They happen to be in the room.
Bex: Yeah. Yeah. It just so happened to be in room.
Alice: I have to go back. Did they know, did they end up finding out it was that house? I don’t even know. Or did they literally all just go into that house and then it happened to be in that room and like it’s a thousand developments with houses being renovated and Buck’s like, oh, I dunno if this wet paint, like if this, these paint tins or anything in a, you know, housing development that’s being made. I’m sure these are the only, [01:00:00] and how did he know what paint color? Because. They all like, that’s not how paint color works. They, it also dries different. So if it’s wet, it’s gonna look different than the dried paint on the wall.
Ellen: But they’re not looking for a, a paint, they’re not looking for a color. They’re just looking for wet paint.
Bex: It’s white.
Alice: No, I white is not always white. I had just recently had to paint my lounge room white. I had like four different shades of white all along trying to decide which shade of white I liked best. That’s not how white works.
Ellen: Yeah, but I, I don’t think it matters as long as it’s wet, right? It’s dark. Yeah, it’s dark. Anyway. Who cares what color white it is.
Alice: How did Jeffrey know what, what color white was gonna match and then it wouldn’t have matched that well,
Bex: Can I just say I love that I’m not the one ranting in this episode. I’ve just given up completely and Alice is up on the soapbox.
Alice: I just, I have been in too many rentals and had to repaint too many rentals for this to not piss me off because I had [01:01:00] to go to Bunnings, I had to get the paint match and then it looks different. And so you have to like either paint the whole wall or you have to feather it out and feathering it out takes a lot of time and a lot of different coats and like it takes a long time. You can’t just paint. And he only painted that part of the wall. It’s not like he painted the whole wall because there’s still graffiti all over it.
Ellen: Yeah, I don’t think he was thinking that hard about it. Honestly.
Bex: I don’t think the writers were thinking that hard about it.
Ellen: The writers are not thinking think the
Alice: ’cause if he’d just, if he’d just been like random white paint that he’d found, ’cause I doubt he went to whatever it is, Lowe’s or whatever the Bunnings equivalent is,
Bex: Home Depot?
Alice: And paint matched this… Home Depot. There you go. Thank you. Um, I doubt he went and paint matched it and then even when you paint match it, it looks different when it’s wet and then they’re just in the room, like the random room.
All, all of them. There’s like 12 people in this room standing around and then Buck’s like, oh, I found a tin of paint in this place that’s got shut down while it was being built. And they’re like, oh, quick look for wet paint. And then Athena literally [01:02:00] just puts one hand out and is like, oh, look. Wet paint.
Yeah, there wasn’t even an extra. Yeah, it was just the, they were right next to, oh my God, it was so lazy. It’s so stupid.
Bex: Incredibly stupid. But they find the wet paint. Um, Michael rips the plasterboard apart with his bare hands, and they find Harry, and I’m assuming that there was an issue with like oxygen supply. And that’s,
Ellen: well, he’s, he’s been in there all night, but like, he wasn’t injured when he put him in there.
Alice: So I, I couldn’t think of it as ox because it, that makes no sense because walls are not airtight. That’s not how walls work. Um, so I decided that I was bringing back the heatwave that we mentioned for 30 seconds.
Um, and he’s just, oh, okay. He’s just hot.
Bex: So he’s hypo it’s hypothermia that’s knocked him out.
Ellen: Like it, it actually, it kind of looked when he first came out, like he was cold and I’m like, no, there’s a heat wave. Like he can’t be cold. Like, like what the hell?
Alice: [01:03:00] Yeah. So I’ve decided he’s so maybe he’s, he’s overheating. Like it’s not, it’s not like Jeffrey gave him some water. Like he’s run around, he’s been trapped in a boot, which I’m sure also wasn’t very cold. And then he’s been like locked in a wall.
Bex: Yeah.
Alice: And so I’ve decided it, it’s heat stroke because oxygen makes no sense. Yeah. Because walls are not, like, otherwise rats wouldn’t be able to live in there because there’s no like that, that’s not how walls work.
Bex: Yeah. Okay. That, that makes more sense. I was,
Ellen: I’ll accept your headcanon
Alice: Heat stroke, guys. Heat stroke. I’ve deemed it canon.
Bex: I mean, that makes more sense than anything that they actually put in the op in the episode. Um, so they, they get him out and they get him on a gurney and he’s fine and they take him off to hospital for observations in the back of the ambulance. Um, and as the 118 rollout with their lights flashing and their sirens going, which they didn’t need to ’cause the emergency’s over, [01:04:00] um, we get a, a beautiful panoramic view of Los Angeles and the lights start coming back on across the city.
Ellen: Yeah. Panics over.
Alice: Yes. Because the hackers stopped caring as soon as Harry was found, apparently.
Ellen: Yeah. So, so now I’m like, okay, so was Jeffrey
Bex: see?
Ellen: Responsible for this hacking thing? Like
Bex: it would make, it would have made sense if the hackers were working with Jeffrey or somehow associated with Jeffrey, but they’re not, they’re fucking not, it’s just two coincidental storylines.
Alice: Yep.
Bex: Uh, and it’s not done yet. Um, because as you said when you first watched this episode, this is one of those Return of the King episodes where the just the endings just keep coming.
Ellen: Yeah, I thought, really thought this was the end, but there’s more.
Bex: I just, we’re just going to, we’re just gonna keep going. We’re just gonna keep going. So everybody
Alice: we go to dispatch the lights [01:05:00] turn on. Linda missed the ac. Um, and then,
Bex: Sue missed the elevator. ’cause she’s still got a janky leg after, you know the hit and run.
Alice: Yep. Oh yeah. Um, and then May’s phone starts buzzing. So everyone looks at her and she goes, “it’s from my brother.” and everyone’s like, yeah.
Bex: We get a, a quick random cut to Maddie leaving Chim a voicemail, um, where she starts to say something and then changes her mind and says, nevermind. I just wanted to make sure that you’re okay. Love you. Weird.
Ellen: I’m back at the station house Chim says. “The Power Tsar is out of business,” and Buck is gonna hand his power back to the power company.
Bex: Chim says, “Good. ’cause my phone is dead. You did a horrible job.” I don’t think that was Buck’s problem. That was probably a chimp problem, but fine. There’s a little bit of banter backwards and forwards about Bobby hasn’t, um, come back to the station. So who is in [01:06:00] charge? And Chim was like, “well, obviously I am still in charge. Um, because Bobby gave me a manly glance of unspoken confidence.”
Ellen: Yes.
Alice: Oh, I love Chim.
Bex: And that, that’s, that’s, that’s it for that scene.
Ellen: Hen doesn’t agree with him though. She’s like, “He did not do that.” Buck says, is this the longest shift we’ve ever worked? And and he is like, it definitely rates. It’s like I don’t, you’ve been at the, at the station house for days.
Bex: Mm-hmm.
Ellen: But I like the overtime pay is gonna be amazing if this is actually, you’ve actually been on shift that entire time.
Alice: Yeah. Right? Fucking hell. Um, and although Eddie gets none of it because he’s clearly paying. Oh no. Wait, Ana’s looking after Chris. That’s right. Fucking hell.
Bex: Yep. Um, he’s not paying for childcare, but I’m like, he’s not paying. He’s going how, like they’ve been on ship for five days. How, how does anything else compare? Like when have they ever, when else have we seen them be on shift for so [01:07:00] long? Yeah.
Ellen: Yeah. I, during the earthquake? Did they, and, and that stuff didn’t go home to after that.
Bex: I think that was just a day. That was like a day because Chris was at school so they couldn’t have left him at school for multiple days.
Ellen: Yeah, I guess so. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. Um,
Alice: um, Athena’s in dispatch for some reason and maybe she’s just picking up May,
Bex: I think she’s coming to pick up May. ’cause she’s like, she’s been in dispatch jail, so Athena’s coming spring her from dispatch jail.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Um, and May’s like, “Is Harry okay?” And Athena goes, “yeah, he’s safe,” ’cause he’s not okay.
Bex: Um, no.
Alice: May ask how Athena is
Bex: He’s definitely not okay.
Alice: Athena says, ” Ask me tomorrow,” May’s like “It is tomorrow.” Um, and Athena’s like, yeah, I’m fine. Whatever. Denny’s excited to see Hen, ’cause she’s finally coming home
Bex: because they finally get to go home. Eddie is not looking forward to going home.
Alice: It’s so much. Yeah. So in the locker room it’s Buck and Eddie I think are the [01:08:00] only ones in there. Yeah. And Buck’s like, “oh, like I thought you’d be the first one out the door. Um, have you told Christopher that you’ve like that you’re coming home?” And Eddie goes, “not yet. ’cause I haven’t figured out what I say when I get home to Ana,” it’s like, so Eddie who loves this kid, is just like, oh, there’s a girl there. I don’t want to go home.
Bex: Um, it’s literally, it’s literally that
Alice: like Jesus Christ.
Ellen: Oh dear.
Alice: Um. Then, oh, this scene is so cute though. When Buck gets home,
Bex: it is.
Alice: I just, I just love him so much. I love him. Um, so Buck like, comes home, goes upstairs, flops on his bed, turns on the tv, and of course, like Taylor’s on it because naturally like what else?
Ellen: All TVs are tuned to channel 8.
Bex: All TVs are programmed. Yeah.
Alice: Yes. Um, and Taylor’s saying, so since the five day citywide blackout has ended, um, thankfully the [01:09:00] power grid has returned to normal function. Utilities and essential technologies have followed suit and Buck like, so Buck’s lying on his bed and he sort of like, looks up towards the TV and then he smiles and lies back and goes, “Hi honey, I’m home.”
And I’m like, no. That’s something I’d do. Like if, if I was dating someone on tv, I’d be like, Hey honey. It’s like when you wave at someone’s house, when you’re going past, they can’t see you. But it’s just like I’m thinking of you.
Bex: Yeah.
Alice: Um, and then. Taylor goes on to exposition herself that, um, the hacker group initially claiming responsibility and demanding a hefty ransom has gone offline, virtually scrubbing their existence from the internet, leaving no trace.
So they’ve just vanished, um, until season one of 9-1-1 Nashville. Apparently. I still haven’t watched that episode, but yeah, it was just real cute. Like, I like Buck, just like, Aw, he’s so cute. I love him.
Bex: It is very cute.
Alice: That was the best, best part of the whole episode, was just Buck saying, hi honey. I’m home to Taylor on the telly. That was cute.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: Uh, we quickly cut over to, uh, Michael’s loft [01:10:00] where he and Harry are also watching, um, Taylor’s report and not talking about anything that has happened. ’cause Harry is fine. There’s nothing to talk about. Just a normal evening for him.
Alice: Yep.
Bex: We do a quick jump over to the Madney apartment where, uh, Maddie is not watching Taylor, but is instead packing Jee up to go and visit Chim or actually to go see Chim,
Alice: which is a little bit weird because Chim’s already left the firehouse and we know this. Um mm-hmm. So a little bit of a red flag there. Um, there we,
Bex: speaking of red flags
Alice: and then we get, oh God,
Ellen: this entire scene is a red flag.
Alice: I feel, I feel like, I feel like Ellen, like Ellen was already starting to get like, the whole thing about how like, Eddie Diaz needs to stop tormenting the women of Los Angeles, but like, now you see why it’s like a whole [01:11:00] thing. So we’re gonna break this down because this like,
Ellen: oh, I was mad, I was mad at Eddie after this. I was like, come on, man,
Bex: it’s so bad.
Alice: So bad. Um, but like I, but also I re I think this is the scene where I relate the hardest to Eddie. In the entire show. Like, I’ve watched the whole show, and this is where I relate more to Eddie because like, I’m not, I’m not a parent, I was not in the army. I don’t have the daddy issues that Eddie has.
Not saying I don’t have dad, they’re just not the same ones. Um, I’m not religious. Like I don’t, I just don’t usually relate to Eddie. Um, disappointing my parents. I got you Buck. Uh, but Eddie’s brand is a whole different type. This scene I related so fucking hard to Eddie.
Bex: All right, so let’s set it up. Eddie has returned home and he and Ana and Christopher are sitting around the table eating and Ana is filling the silence, making [01:12:00] inane small talk about how canned fruit is actually really good. If you like, add some seasoning to it. Um, yeah, so add some lemon chili and,
Ellen: which actually sounds great. Like I, I would eat at Ana’s house.
Alice: There’s muffins around, this is Eddie’s house. Um, there’s muffins around, there’s like, so Ana’s been here for six days. Are we at day? Six days I call beforehand too. So this is like a week, right?
Bex: Yeah.
Alice: So she’s been here for a week. She’s been looking after Eddie’s child. Mm-hmm. For six days at least. Um, and yeah, so Ana and Chris are having a great time.
They’re snacking on all these things. There’s muffins, there’s all sorts of stuff. Chris is eating. Eddie’s like, “yeah. Yeah. It’s, it’s all good. Great. You didn’t have to cook all this though.” And Chris was like, “let’s make brownies next.” And Ana’s like, “yep. I think we should probably clean the kitchen first.”
Bex: and then Eddie just looks at her. Eddie looks at her and goes, “Maybe you should go home [01:13:00] first.”
Alice: And it’s, it’s literally like record scratch. Like Ana just like looks up at him, like, what the fuck? And Eddie immediately back up.
Bex: I’m, I’m looking at Eddie going, what the fuck?
Alice: Eddie’s like, “I mean, you’ve been stuck here for days. I’m sure you wanna get back to your own place, have some time to yourself.” And Ana’s like, “Oh yeah. Um, right. Yeah. I’m not gonna leave you the disaster in the kitchen.”
Bex: That is not what he meant. He was not thinking of her. He was very much, get the fuck outta my house.
Alice: It was so, get the fuck outta my house. And I have been this person where like someone just will not leave and you don’t want to be like, I’m so sick of fucking looking at you, but you also just want them to get out of your house. Like, I feel this in my bones. Um,
Bex: but I, I mean, yes, but Eddie has not seen her for a week. No, he hasn’t seen her for a week. She’s just been there. He’s just come home and she’s there.
Alice: No, I still, I still fucking relate to this. I had a friend in high school who would just like, it was [01:14:00] post high school. Soon as we got our license, she would just be at my house and I would like come back from work and she would just be in my house.
And I was like, please just fucking leave. Like, I just want to lie down and not hear your voice for a minute. Um, anyway, yeah, so she calls the, she says the kitchen’s a disaster. Chris agrees that it’s a disaster.
Bex: It’s so cute.
Alice: It’s cuttrue. Chris is the best. Um, so Eddie and Ana go into the kitchen and Ana’s immediately fawning like,
Bex: mm-hmm.
Alice: “Oh, I’m so sorry. I know this place is such a wreck.” And he is like, “yep, don’t, don’t worry about it.” She’s like, “You’ve been working nonstop. You shouldn’t have to come home to all this mess.” As if like, they, they haven’t had power for six days. So like how is she going to, I mean, I guess they had water, but still.
Ellen: Yeah, she’s been washing up by hand.
Alice: So it’s. It’s one of those scenes where it’s like before the shooting, how they did the weird camera angles. This is the same sort of thing, like, not the same camera angles obviously, but it’s the same [01:15:00] vibe. Like it’s the vibe is off.
Bex: Mm-hmm.
Alice: And like, it’s like it’s almost found foot, like it’s kind of shaky cam, it’s very close. Um, and yeah, Ana’s just prattling on and it’s very much like seconds before disaster. So Ana’s going on like, oh bet the dishwasher’s working now. Dunno what I miss more. Whether it’s the dishwasher or the refrigerator.
Bex: It’s like if she just keeps talking, she can stop Eddie from doing what’s…
Alice: It won’t happen,
Bex: yeah.
Ellen: Mm-hmm.
Alice: Yeah. Um, and Eddie just is like “Anna. Anna. Anna.”
Ellen: Yeah. He keeps calling her Anna.
Alice: And she’s like, oh, the air.
Ellen: She’s like, I don’t Who are you talking to? Who? Who’s Anna?
Bex: Who’s Anna?
Alice: And finally E Eddie goes, “Anna, stop. We need to talk.” And so Ana stops and goes, “those four words,” and then he goes, “maybe we should sit down.”
Bex: And I love,
Alice: and he goes, why [01:16:00] this most? I love her so much.
Bex: This is the most personality.
Alice: This is the most personality. Yes!
Bex: They’ve stored up all of Ana’s personality for this scene because Eddie says maybe we should sit down. And she’s like, “why? You are not gonna pass out or anything? Are you? Your heart rate’s not going up. Is it?” Because she 100% clocked that the panic attacks were because of her? ’cause she’s not stupid.
Alice: Yeah. So she has clocked it. It’s like, and clearly she didn’t wanna leave Chris so good on Ana, but fucking hell, Eddie sucks. Um, and Eddie’s like, “Oh, what do you mean?” And Ana’s like, “you know what I mean. I don’t want you to panic when you think about me, or when you think about a future with me, I can’t take that.”
Bex: And Eddie’s response is, “I thought that it would work. I liked the idea of us. Chris loves you. I just thought that eventually,” and she fills in the blanks “eventually,”
Alice: “that eventually you would too.”
Bex: You would, yeah. [01:17:00]
Alice: And Eddie’s like, “Yeah, I, I should have said something sooner.” And Ana’s like, “Yep, you probably should have, well, sorry about the mess, but I guess it’s your mess now.” And then just like leaves, um, so Eddie’s like, oh yeah, I guess it is. Ana does say that he’s an amazing father and like, is he?
Um, but then she’s like, I’m, I’m going. I’m just gonna go say goodbye to him and then walks over and says,
Bex: but this is,
Alice: “Adios, Edmundo.” And I’m glad that you picked this too, Bex. The trans, like the, the subtitles and the transcripts both just say, speaks Spanish. It’s just his fucking name.
Bex: But what’s interesting, I think that, I think they translated adios and then it was because there was a, there’s a break where she goes like, Adios Edmundo, and it goes, Adios bracket speaks Spanish. Yeah. Just because she says it with a [01:18:00] Latina accent,
Alice: an accent. She’s like, say, I know how to pronounce your name. Edmundo.
Bex: Edmundo. But what, what’s even better is that
Alice: “Ana out!”
Bex: Before she says that, she goes over to him and like Eddie is at this point, he’s backed himself up against the fridge. He’s got his arms like crossed against his chest, full defensive mode, and she’s trying to like rub his arm or hold his hand or do something affectionate. And if anything it just makes him clench tighter. He looks like he’s about to bolt. Yeah, it’s so, yeah, she, she mic drops, she goes out
Alice: like Ana is very, Ana is very fawn. Eddie is definitely flight.
Bex: Oh yeah.
Alice: In this scene anyway. ’cause Eddie has been known to fight, but he’s definitely flight. Like he just wants to get the fuck out. Um, but unfortunately it’s his mess now and then, yeah, she, she walks out, kisses Eddie on the cheek, walks out, and then you hear her start to [01:19:00] talk to Chris because shes a good person and wants to say goodbye, even though Eddie probably should have had the conversation with Chris before, you know, just kicking Ana out. But,
Bex: and then we, but we as the audience, we stay in the kitchen with Eddie where we see him start to tear up. I’m like, what the fuck are you crying for Edmundo? You don’t get to cry. You are the bad guy in this situation.
Alice: Leave the stop terrorizing the women of LA!
Bex: You’re the one who strung this poor woman along for free childcare for like weeks. And now that you don’t need her anymore, now that you’re back, you’re kicking, you’re like, you don’t even let, like let her stay for an extra day. You don’t give her a pity fuck. You just immediately kick her out of your house.
Alice: She, I mean, to be fair, we still don’t think they’ve even kissed. So
Ellen: yeah, I was trying to, I was, I don’t know why, but I was trying to, um, justify, give him a, some kind of justification of as to why he would do this [01:20:00] immediately. And the only thing I like, I still have no idea.
Bex: ’cause Buck told him to,
Ellen: yeah,
Alice: yeah. Buck told him to.
Ellen: The only thing I could think about was that fic where, that we read the other week where Buck said, I don’t, I don’t think like. You know, we can’t do this while you are going out with Ana. And so he went, okay, I’ll break up with her.
Alice: I mean, that’s, that’s pretty much canon like,
Bex: but no, it’s literally because Buck said, “I’ve been the Ana in a situation and it sucks.” And so Eddie’s gone, oh, well if Buck thinks it sucks and it’s probably a bad thing, so I should probably fix it. But I mean, this
Alice: Buck doesn’t approve.
Ellen: But to do it immediately as soon as he gets home after she’s just looked after Chris for a whole week. It’s like, that’s cold, man,
Bex: This poor woman. She like, Eddie was so careful not to introduce her to Chris for so long as his girlfriend. So she gets introduced to Chris [01:21:00] as his girlfriend and so she’s thinking, oh, I’m actually, you know, getting somewhere with him.
She introduces him to her entire family. He entrusts Christopher her entire,
Alice: I don’t they even make it to the,
Bex: that’s actually like a really good point.
Ellen: Yeah. Well that was right before all the blackout and stuff. Right. So maybe they didn’t make that part yet.
Bex: Okay. Alright. But so she had the intention of introducing him to his entire family. She thought she had him on lock.
Alice: Yeah.
Bex: She thought he was the one,
Alice: and then he starts having panic attacks and she’s like, oh fuck. Because like the panic attack was one thing and then at the station house.
Bex: Yes.
Alice: When he, she’s like, oh yeah, Ravi showed this woman show my housekeeper around.
Bex: She totally noticed that. Buck noticed it and she noticed it. I just, Ana got done so dirty.
Alice: Like he just know that Ana went back to her friends and is telling them, and they’re like, it’s totally [01:22:00] that Buck guy, right? Like he’s hooking up with him. Surely.
Ugh. So, yeah, fuck Eddie. Leave the women of of LA alone.
Bex: I mean, I quite happily take him off their hands.
Alice: Would you though? Because you just have to look after Chris for five days and then get the fuck out of his house. So
Bex: I, I don’t need him as a boyfriend.
Alice: Um, I don’t even think these two kissed. So
Bex: we’ll just do math.
Alice: I’m not sure what you’re expecting.
Bex: Lots of math. Lots and lots of math. I’m good at math.
Alice: You’re so close. Bex. You’re so close. Um, anyway, speaking of shitty boyfriends, let’s do 180 and talk about a nons shitty boyfriend. My beloved Chimney.
Bex: Oh my God.
Alice: Poor, poor Chimney. Um, so Chim gets home and he is like, “oh, is it ironic that all I wanna do is close the blackout curtains and go to sleep?”
Bex: That’s not how irony works,
Alice: because [01:23:00] there’s, yeah, no, he’s, he’s just listened to Alanis Morrisette too much.
Bex: Is it because like there was a blackout? Is that the irony?
Alice: Because it was a blackout that he’s like trying to Yeah, yeah. Ugh. Yep.
Ellen: I dunno. That’s a bad joke.
Alice: Anyway, he calls for Maddie and there’s nothing, um, there’s no sounds.
There’s no Jee coos there’s no Maddie. Um, so he starts looking around, but then his phone rings and goes, “oh, hey, what’s up, Cap?” And he’s been called back into work.
Bex: And Ravi is very guiltily. Um, Ravi is, I think he’s supposed to be working like to clean the engine trucks, but it feels like he’s loitering waiting for Chim.
Alice: Yeah, like Chim’s, like, “Ravi, why are you still here?” Ravi’s like, “Yeah, I was waiting for Cap to get back.” And Chim’s like, “Yeah, he just called me in. Where is he?” Ravi’s like, “Yeah, upstairs.”
Bex: So Chim runs upstairs. The camera at work is. [01:24:00] I will give them kudos for this. So we follow Chim upstairs, so we’re seeing sort of Chim’s point of view when he gets to the top of the stairs to the loft kitchen, we can see the top half of Bobby, we can see that he’s standing by the table ’cause we can see the legs of the table.
But one of those massive wooden ceiling beams is kind of blocking, is obscuring the rest of our view. Um, and it’s not until Chim kind of rounds the beam and we follow Chim around the beam that we see that it’s not just Bobby by the table. There is a, a capsule on the table and Jee is in her capsule on the table.
Alice: And it’s so, like, it’s
Ellen: Chim’s, uh, he’s, at first he’s really happy to see her. He is like, Jee!
Alice: he’s so cute. He’s like, Jee-yun! What’s my daughter doing here? And like he totally misread the vibe here.
Bex: Yes.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: And [01:25:00] Bobby’s like very solemnly, like, “yeah. So when I came back to wrap the shift, she was here.” Chim’s like, “oh, Maddie was here?” he is like, “Not Maddie, the baby.”
Bex: And Ravi’s like skulked into view at this point. Um, because Ravi was the one that talked to Maddie. Ravi was the one that took,
Alice: yeah, so Ravi explains that her mother dropped her off and Chim’s like, “what with you?” Ravi’s like, “well, I was the only one here,” and Chim still hasn’t got it.
He’s like, “I, I don’t get it. Where’s Maddie?” And Bobby’s like, “She’s not here.” And then Ravi says, “She asked me to give you this,” and just hands Chim like an iPad.
Bex: Yeah. And I’m going, wait, did. Did Maddie give Ravi an iPad with a video loaded onto it to give to Chim? Or did she like Airdrop Ravi, a video and he’s handing Chim like his own tablet to watch the video?
Alice: Yeah, right. Like Maddie [01:26:00] took her ta her like the, their iPad from home into the station, and now Chim has to take it all the way home again.
Bex: And why didn’t she just write, I mean, I know why she didn’t write a note because they wanted to actually film this so that Jennifer would have an extra scene. And it’s more emotional than just hearing her do a voiceover.
Alice: It’s de more emotional. Like it’s stupid, but it’s definitely more emotional. Um,
Bex: yes.
Ellen: Mm-hmm.
Alice: Because like, yeah, so she does this big emotional video about like, “I’m sure you’re confused and hurt. Um, I don’t know what to say. You don’t need to go to the police or come looking for me. I’m not in any, any danger and no one is making me do this, but Jee is not safe with me.”
And so she’s doing this whole speech and it cuts back from like showing her doing the speech on the tablet to showing Chim’s face, and I hate that they torture Chim, but Kenny’s so good at playing tortured Chim.
Bex: Yes. If there’s anybody that can pull off the really [01:27:00] heavy emotional shit, it’s Kenneth Choi, which is why they keep torturing him.
Alice: Yeah. I’m so glad that he and Jennifer Love Hewitt are scene partners so much because they’re so good at it.
Bex: Yes.
Alice: But yeah, he does the whole, like, he starts off very confused. Like he’s frowning down at the tablet. He looks at Bobby, like all confused and then goes back to looking, and then as the her speech goes on, she, he just breaks down.
Ellen: Yeah. Maddie was on her own for far too long during the, you know, the emergency, like,
Bex: oh yeah,
Ellen: I know they had to do this for the drama, but why, where, where were the Lees? Like they, they have other people.
Alice: I think the thing is like Maddie was so deep into it that she couldn’t pull herself out.
Bex: Okay. All right. So then scenario two, and I know that this is a TV show, and everything in this episode was for the drama, but if we, you know, we to inject a little bit of realism, why didn’t Chim go to Bobby and [01:28:00] go, “Hey, I need to like not be here right now. I need to be home with Maddie. I’ve like, I’m taking medical leave. I know it’s an emergency, but I really need to be at home.” Bobby would’ve gone in a heartbeat, go home. Yeah. And I know that that’s not how it works in television, but it just,
Ellen: I mean, also like maybe they, no, just no one realized how bad it was. And if anyone asked her, she probably said, no, I’m fine. Don’t worry about me.
Alice: Well Chim, like at the start of episode one, like Maddie was like, oh, it’s just the meds that I’m te like, it’s just a reaction from the meds. Mm. Because like she’s, Chim knows that she’s bad, but like. She’s seeing a therapist, she’s on medication and she’s just, you know, brushing it aside, blaming it on the meds.
And I think she’s too deep in to ask for help, like to reach out and ask for help because she, I know obviously they’re doing this because, um, JLH is pregnant and has to go on maternity leave. But [01:29:00]
Bex: yes, that’s the other thing. They needed to give Jennifer some time off.
Alice: But yeah, I think like she was already struggling and then after she almost drowns Jee she spiraled.
Bex: Oh, no, no.
Alice: When it, when you’re spiraling, you’re like, I can’t do, like, she’s just, she’s run and that is her reaction.
Bex: I am not questioning, like everything that happens to Maddie 100%, except that I just don’t accept what was happening around Maddie. Like, I don’t, I don’t accept that they didn’t
Alice: You’re shaming the supports.
Bex: Yeah. If this were in reality, I would’ve been. Yes, I would’ve been going like, where were the Lees? Why didn’t Chim like check in on her more often? Um, like, where was Josh in all of this?
Ellen: Yeah. When he tried to check in on her, but she wasn’t answering the phone,
Bex: why didn’t he fucking go home? Like just say to Bobby like, Hey, I need to run home for a little bit, or I need Yeah. It’s not Maddie herself that, that I am upset with. It’s the storyline that I am upset with.
Alice: Oh, hindsight, absolutely. [01:30:00] He would’ve been like, fuck, I should have just gone home. But yeah, poor Maddie just is at the stage where she’s spiraled.
Bex: Of all of the, of all of the things that were for the drama in this episode, this is, this is probably the worst, the most egregious for the drama. I will almost accept the firetruck on the train tracks before I will accept this one.
Ellen: I don’t know, man. That’s pretty weird. Pretty out there.
Alice: We don’t know too, because there was, there was what? A four was there, it was it a four month break. So like, Chim may have been using the Lees to check in on Maddie and Maddie may have cracked it and been like, stop. Like I know what they’re doing. Stop it.
Bex: I,
Alice: um, because you do, like, when you are deep in as well, you do lash out at people and you don’t want people to care. So it’s possible that Chim has done everything he can do and doesn’t, like he’s out of his depth.
Bex: Again. I, I feel like this is one of the storylines where they’ve gone. We need the end result to be Maddie going. [01:31:00] We don’t actually give a fuck how we get there, but that’s where we’re gonna get to.
Ellen: Well at least they’ve showed it building up, um, a little bit better than certain other things that had just came out of the blue in this one episode.
Bex: Yes, there has been, at least they dropped this kind of the end of season four, and they’ve slowly been been building it up.
Ellen: Poor Maddie.
Bex: Yeah. So they wrap up the Jeffrey storyline, and then they throw this one at us.
Ellen: Yeah, I was so looking forward to not having a, you know, a cliffhanger at the end of this episode, and then we get this, it’s like, oh, no drama. All right. So speaking of cliffhangers, what do we have to look forward to next time?
Bex: Oh, next week. Next week, the members of the 118 arrive on the scene after a truck crashes into a high school homecoming parade. Meanwhile,
Ellen: oh,
Bex: Athena and Michael try to, yeah, it’s, it’s [01:32:00] gnarly. Um, meanwhile, Athena and Michael try to help Harry in the aftermath of his kidnapping. So maybe the Jeffrey storyline is not completely. But at least we don’t have to deal with Jeffrey himself.
Ellen: Yeah, that’s a bonus.
Bex: Uh, yes. So Harry help help in the aftermath of his kidnapping. Oh, for fuck’s sake. We’re up to this storyline. Yeah, we’re up to then. Yeah. May is intimidated by a returning call center legend, and Bobby gives a devastated chimney advice regarding Maddie.
And our tags. Brace yourself. There’s like five lines of tags. Bullying slash hazing, car accident, specifically truck versus crowd, also very specifically causing mass injuries and fatalities. Uh, child having to do CPR, child at threat, child endangerment. Uh, chlorine gas leak, child death, home invasion, [01:33:00] heart attack, patient death, postpartum depression.
PTSD slash childhood PTSD. Reckless driving. Threat of gun violence.
Ellen: Oh my God.
Alice: Child death? I didn’t think they killed. Oh, I’m gonna have to watch next week’s now. Add it to my tally of watch it be a, it’ll be a flashback and I’ll be like, okay, nevermind.
Bex: No, I did watch the copaganda-lite version of this episode because they cut out pretty much everything to do with the autonomous zone.
So we don’t, you don’t see Bobby kicking the shit outta the barricade and threatening people. It goes from 118 rocking up to Bobby, walking through the crowd to treat the patient. Um, and then it goes from Michael calling Bobby, saying there’s an emergency to them all arriving at the housing estate to find Harry.
Everything else is gone.
Alice: So basically the whole episode was just Eddie breaking [01:34:00] up with Ana and
Ellen: Yeah,
Bex: it was just them. It’s like they had all of this stuff with, um, Harry and Jeffrey, um, but almost none of the Jeffrey and Athena stuff.
Ellen: Wow, okay.
Bex: So they managed to get three episodes down to an hour and a half.
Alice: Wow. I mean, yeah, it’s probably the highlights. So
Bex: It was, it was honestly a much better episode. I mean, I, like, personally, I quite enjoyed, um, mad Bobby kicking the barricade in, but I understand like abusive power and you know, it stuff, but it worked really well having, you know, um, there’s an emergency and then the trucks rolling out, lights and sirens and them showing up at the housing estate that, like, storytelling wise, that made much more sense.
Alice: Yeah. Nice.
Ellen: Yeah.
Bex: So, yeah, it was interesting.
Ellen: Well, I’m glad this particular storyline is over.
Alice: There’s more shit ones to come.
Ellen: [01:35:00] Yay. Well, I’ve enjoyed previous season openers a lot more than this one, let’s put it that way.
Bex: I think it was just because they didn’t do an emergency. They tried to do, Hey, let’s have our season opener be like a really emotionally personal emergency rather than a natural disaster emergency.
And they just didn’t pull it off.
Ellen: Well, I feel like it would’ve been a better storyline in the middle of the season maybe.
Bex: Yeah. Uh,
Ellen: like I I, they could have just left it out altogether, but, you know. Yeah, I don’t been in the middle. It would’ve been,
Bex: I, I don’t think I would’ve en, I still don’t think I would ever have enjoyed a two or three episode arc of like Athena versus Jeffrey.
Um, but that’s just my personal taste. But yeah, it differently did not fit as a season opener when you go from, you know, mudslide, tsunami, Jeffrey. Yeah.
Alice: I think we’re all very open that we don’t enjoy the [01:36:00] cop part of this show. Like if we wanted the cop stuff, we’d watch The Rookie. We don’t watch The Rookie.
Bex: Please don’t watch The Rookie.
Alice: Yeah, we don’t watch The Rookie because we don’t want to watch the cop stuff.
Bex: Also, The Rookie’s bad.
Ellen: More what? More fires and natural disasters please.
Bex: More ensemble of the 118, please.
Ellen: Yes.
Alice: Yeah. More Eddie terrorizing the women of Los Angeles, please.
Ellen: Oh, no, no, no,
Bex: no. Eddie leave the women of Los Angeles alone.
Alice: At least it’s entertaining. I feel bad for the women of LA but it’s still entertaining.
Ellen: Poor Ana.
Bex: Yeah. In the, in the way that a car crash is
Alice: entertaining, but you’re just like, well, I mean, Elm. On this show, car crashes some are often entertaining. It’s not our fault.
Ellen: Please tell us what you thought about this episode and this, this chain of episodes. Did like, I know that we have like panned it quite a lot, but [01:37:00] um, if you found any redeeming features of these, please let us know.
Bex: Yes, please let us know. I would love to know if there were any redeeming features other than the use of the Rolling Stones.
Ellen: Yes. Well this episode in particular, but uh, would you go out with Eddie? No, don’t say that. Don’t answer that. That’s a bad idea for everybody,
Alice: Women of LA. Stay away from him.
Bex: Send him my way. I’ll sort him out.
Ellen: Oh, okay. You can leave us a comment on the episodes post on or, and go to thatweewooshow.com to find out all the ways that you can interact with us and subscribe to the podcast to know when there’s new episodes.
Thank you for listening this week and we’ll talk to you next time about episode four, “Home and Away”. Oh, we’re changing to a different show? We gonna talk about,
Alice: yeah, we’re talking about Home and Away next week. Yeah.
Ellen: Cool. Okay.
Bex: Yeah. It’s a crossover, um, the 118 go to Summer [01:38:00] Bay.
Ellen: Oh my God. Alright, see “Home and Away”. See you then!
Alice: Bye.
Bex: Bye.
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[outtake 1]
Ellen: Sorry, Bex, were you gonna say something before I?
Bex: No.
Ellen: Okay.
Alice: Bex is like nothing relevant.
Bex: Nothing that I would want broadcast on the internet.
Ellen: Okay.
[outtake 2]
Alice: [01:39:00] don’t care. Meanwhile, I think, I think 30 minutes of this episode was us breaking down the Eddie breakup scene.
Ellen: Yeah.
Alice: Like we spent more time on that than any of the rest of the episode.
Bex: Oh, that was actually interesting. And like good writing and,
Alice: but it was just funny when we were trying to work out how to say Ana and I was like, oh, I’ll look up the breakup scene. ’cause I remember her being in the breakup scene. I don’t remember what fucking else she’s in. Um, and he just calls her Anna the whole time.
So I’m like, oh, it’s Anna. And then he goes back to calling her Ana and we’re like, okay, I have no fucking idea what this woman’s name is. Eddie doesn’t even know what this woman’s name is, and he was allegedly sleeping with her. At least she undressed him once. Allegedly
Ellen: she dressed him and alluded to undressing him, but did it really happen? Who knows?
Alice: Yeah. Or were they just doing math?
Bex: Strip math. Every time Eddie got a question wrong, you had to take clothes off and he’s really fucking bad [01:40:00] at maths.
Alice: Yeah. So Eddie was completely naked. Ana was just putting clothes on.
Ellen: Oh yeah. Once you got completely naked and you kept going, you had to put clothes back on again, is that what you’re saying?
Alice: No. No. Ana was good at math, so she was putting clothes back on and Eddie was completely naked.
Ellen: Oh, I see.
Bex: I can imagine that like every time Eddie loses a piece of clothing, she puts that on. So she’s got her own clothes on that. She’s got Eddie’s clothes on top.
Alice: Yes, exactly.
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