5.07: Ghost Stories

Welcome to That Weewoo Show: a podcast where Ellen, Bex, and Alice watch and discuss every episode of ABC’s TV show, 9-1-1.

In this episode we discuss episode 7 of the fifth season of 9-1-1, titled “Ghost Stories”.

The 118 race to rescue a man who claims he was carjacked, shot and buried alive. Hen receives a visit from the past. Athena and family are concerned that Harry is still haunted by visions of Jeffrey.

Content warnings for episode 5.07:

baby at threat and CPR performed on a baby, childhood PTSD, another child at threat, claustrophobia, gun violence, therapy.

Mentioned in episode:

• A Current Affair, man barking like dog (via YouTube)

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Episode Transcript

Maddie: [00:00:00] 9-1-1. What’s your emergency?

Ellen: Welcome back to That WeeWoo Show, a podcast where we watch and discuss episodes of the A B C show, 9-1-1. I’m Ellen.

Alice: I’m Alice

Bex: and I’m Bex.

Ellen: And welcome back to season five. Uh, you may have, uh, skipped over last week’s episode about Heated Rivalry, or you may have been screaming along with us. I don’t know, but we, we, we’ve done that for now. We try, try really hard to think about 9-1-1 now to go back to our regular schedule. Um,

Alice: there was no cottage in this episode. It was just very confusing.

Ellen: Yeah. Not even any kissing of anyone I don’t think. Nope. Hang,

Alice: no tATu played.

Ellen: Oh, hang on. Maybe Hen and Karen did a bit of kissing but maybe, I don’t even remember. Anyway.

Alice: Probably not. Yeah, [00:01:00]

Ellen: it was on the whole a lot less cute but um, we need to get through it.

Alice: Don’t mention holes!

Ellen: Um, so it’s been so long since the last time we spoke about 9-1-1. I know for you guys, it’s only been a couple weeks. Alice, pull yourself together and tell us what happened last week on 9-1-1

Alice: last time we discussed 9-1-1. So two weeks ago on 9-1-1, a prison riot ended with Hen doing surgery and Eddie not getting shot by a prisoner on death row who wanted to donate his heart to his dying son, and Chimney and Maddie are still gone.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Yeah, that’s about, yeah.

Bex: I don’t think we really liked that episode, although we did get a comment.

Ellen: It was pretty good.

Bex: We did get a comment from Ella who genuinely did love that episode, so we’re sorry that we spent two hours trashing it, Ella. Um,

Ellen: I don’t think we did. We just didn’t like that Mark Pellegrino was in it. [00:02:00]

Bex: Well, I think that the rest of it was, I think that’s the point that Ella said that she loved the episode because she doesn’t have any feelings about Mark Pellegrino because she’s not from the Supernatural fandom. Um,

Alice: she’s our one follower that is not from the Supernatural fandom.

Bex: So I, I guess that kind of lends credence to our theory that if you hadn’t had an encounter with Mark Pellegrino before, you probably really enjoyed the episode. It’s just that we were so tainted by A Lucifer and B Mark Pellegrino himself, that we couldn’t separate the two when we were watching the episode. Um,

Ellen: Tainted by Lucifer. That sounds like a book.

Bex: It’s the title of my next album.

Ellen: Mm, yeah. Anyway, where are we?

Bex: Uh, we are going to discuss this week’s episode, um, which is called “Ghost Stories”, which is a stupid title as we will discuss later. Um, it aired [00:03:00] sometime in November. Nobody’s entirely sure, because as we talked about when we discussed “Brawl in Cell Block 9-1-1”, the, the episodes got switched, but they got switched after the promo summaries were published.

So the dates are wrong on the promo summaries compared to when they actually aired. So at some point in November this episode aired, um,

Ellen: we’re not really sure. We’re not really sure. We’ll ended up on the end.

Bex: We know, we know that it aired. We know that people have seen it. We can’t tell you exactly when it’s fine ’cause they’re all on some streaming service now anyway.

The official summary that did get published with the incorrect airing date, um, told us that the members of the 118 race to rescue a man who claims he was carjacked, shot and buried alive. Then allegedly they arrive at a home where the owner thinks her roommate is a ghost. Which doesn’t happen. [00:04:00] Which doesn’t happen, which, you know, that whole storyline is a ghost because it just doesn’t exist.

Um, Hen receives a visit from the past and Athena and family are concerned that Harry is still haunted by visions of Jeffrey. And our triggers include a baby at threat and CPR performed on a baby, childhood PTSD, child at… oh yes. Another child at threat, different kind of threat. Um, claustrophobia, gun violence and trigger for therapy.

Alice: There was therapy?

Bex: Yeah, Harry.

Alice: Oh, right.

Bex: But I guess if you get triggered by people going to therapy, then it’s important to know that at this, some point in this episode, Harry will go to therapy and have a scene with this therapist.

Ellen: You know what was great when I [00:05:00] actually started watching this episode, since it’s been a while, like a few weeks since we actually watched any 9-1-1.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: Um, for one thing it was nice to go back to see everybody again.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: Um, but also I had forgotten everything about the pro, like the actual, the summary and everything. So I just went in completely blind. I had no idea what was happening. And this beginning scene here was actually really exciting.

Like not exciting, but terrifying because, um, you know, this guy’s trapped underground or probably, you know, you don’t, you don’t really have any idea what’s going on for a while.

Alice: What’s wild is I have zero memory about watching this episode the first time. Like, I went back and, ’cause I wrote notes the first time I watched through the show, um, for like my initial reactions and I had to go back and check my notes to make sure that I’d actually watched this episode and not somehow skipped it.

Yeah, turns out I watched it. I just have zero memory of it at all.

Bex: It’s not a very memorable episode.

Alice: No. No, but it’s like, [00:06:00] you know how normally you rewatch it and you’re like, oh, that’s right. It’s, yeah, no, zero memory. It was like watching it for the first time again. I was like, oh,

Ellen: you must have been half asleep while you’re watching it the first time or something.

Alice: Apparently.

Bex: I’m very surprised considering it does contain your favorite, Taylor Kelly.

Alice: I know Taylor’s doing investigate investigative?

Bex: Yes.

Alice: Journalism. Yes. Um, and yep. Zero memory. So is Taylor. I still love you.

Ellen: She’s kicking ass and taking names.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Anyway. Yeah, it starts off with May taking a 9-1-1 call and, um, she can hear, like, just can’t hear anything except someone breathing heavily and to start with, it’s like, oh God, what kind of call is this gonna be?

But no, he does eventually say, “Help me. I think I’m dying.” And then she’s like, “Can you tell me your address?” And he’s like, “I’m not anywhere.” It’s like, that is not helpful at all. Dude.

Bex: It turns out that he is underground in [00:07:00] a wooden box and tells May that he thinks he’s been buried alive. And at that point the camera pans up through several feet of dirt and then keeps going up above to show a, uh, an isolated section of a forest.

Uh, so yeah, he has been buried alive.

Ellen: He has been Dean Winchestered.

Bex: He has,

Ellen: well, I didn’t think of that until late, much later when he starts trying to dig himself out.

Bex: But despite the fact that he’s buried alive and he has kind of no idea where he is, they still do manage to find semi section of the forest that he’s in.

I’m guessing that they’re triangulating or doing whatever magic they that may does with, um, cell phones to sort of narrow down this section of the forest that the call is coming from.

Ellen: It’s, it’s pretty good that he’s still got cell reception. Like

Bex: Tell me what, tell me what carrier [00:08:00] he is with. ’cause that’s pretty damn impressive. That’s still working well out in the middle of the forest. Underground.

Ellen: Underground. Yeah.

Alice: Literally, I couldn’t even get cell, um, I couldn’t even get phone service in, um, the nursing home when I was there the other day.

Ellen: Oh no. Uh, yeah, they’ve got like a, a helicopter and like the 118 are

Bex: I don’t know what the helicopter thinks it can do. ’cause

Ellen: yeah, if this guy’s buried,

Alice: yeah, he is like, I’ve been buried alive and the helicopter’s like, cool, let me just see through the ground. Um, but I guess they have to like, just in case he’s not, or just in case they can see like the freshly dug grave or maybe they’ll,

Ellen: it’s at nighttime.

Alice: See people in shovels with shovels?

Bex: It’s impressive. Fire one is impressive. It’s always cool when they bring the helicopter out. I don dunno what it lends to this scene, but.

Ellen: I mean, the pilot literally says, we are looking for a needle in a haystack. It’s like,

Alice: yeah, the pilot’s like also don’t know why I’m here. Right. But hey, I’m getting paid over time, so let’s do it.

Ellen: [00:09:00] Mm-hmm.

Bex: Yep. Uh, and Fire One, which is the designation for the helicopter then introduces the 118, which have just rolled up to the scene, and then we get exposition fire captain who. Does that thing where I don’t know how long it’s taken them to drive to the scene, but Bobby hasn’t said a word to anybody about what it is they’re about to walk into until they’re on the scene and getting out of the truck.

And I know that it’s so that he can deliver the exposition. It just seems so unrealistic

Alice: that he wouldn’t, the way weird, they’re driving to the scene and they’re all completely silent ignoring each other, and they’re just like, so Bobby. And he is like, shh.

Bex: It’s like, it’s a surprise,

Ellen: but we’re going into the woods. What? Where are we?

Alice: Shh. Bobby, you trying to kill us? Like, sh You’ll find out when we get there. Um, he’s just been watching The Lion King too much. [00:10:00]

Bex: So Bobby does his exposition. He does some, um, questionable math about, you know, the air capacity and how long Edgar has left it. It doesn’t make sense. I’m not even gonna go into it. Um.

Alice: Yeah. I don’t know why he brought a calculator out to the woods, but sure. Go off.

Bex: That’s what he is been doing on the, um, on he’s been sitting there trying to do the math.

Ellen: Yeah. Stop talking to me. I’m trying to,

Alice: he sitting there with a tape measure and he’s counting on his fingers and Buck is just like, what the fuck is he doing? And he’s like, shh

Bex: Damnit. I lost count. Uh, the one, the one helpful thing is that, um, while they’re discussing the possible scenario that they’re gonna find when they find this guy, um, Bobby does tell them, but he is still alive because Dispatch has him on the line. Hopefully they can keep him talking and Hen says, “and not hyperventilating.”

Cut to the, uh, the gentleman in the box whose name is Edgar, hyperventilating, as he starts to [00:11:00] freak out

Alice: immediately hyperventilating, like he’s freaking the fuck out. Um, May’s like, “Stay calm.” And he’s like, “Don’t tell me to stay calm!”

Ellen: She’s trying to explain to him that the faster you breathe, the more oxygen, and then like, basically you’re gonna run out. So shut up. And he is like, but

Alice: oh my God, I’m gonna run outta oxygen.

Bex: Uh, and then we cut to Taylor Kelly, who somehow has found out about this, um, scene. I’m guessing that she’s been listening to her police radio.

Ellen: She has a police ra a police radio. Yeah.

Alice: Like, I’m gonna say it’s the police radio, but how funny would it be if on the way, while Bobby’s doing his calculations and not talking to them all Buck’s texting her, just like, Bobby’s being real weird right now. Like, we’re heading out to the forest. He won’t tell us anything. And Taylor’s like, heading out to the forest. Hey?

Bex: Or, or she’s,

Alice: why do you think that’s happening? Exactly.

Bex: Or she’s got a tracking device on Buck’s phone and she’s just following him from um, call to call.

Alice: She’s using Find my Friends and she’s like, why [00:12:00] is Buck going into the forest?

Ellen: Oh no.

Bex: Either way, she has managed to doll herself up and haul herself and the camera crew out to the forest, um, where she is reporting on the, the someone being buried alive in the Angeles National Forest. Um, but she seems to know a lot about the case, including that the man was shot and buried alive.

Alice: So yeah, definitely police scanner, but still it’d be real funny if Buck like, who knew nothing about it, was updating her on the thing.

Maybe she should be updating him on the thing like, oh, we’re going out to the forest. And she’s like, yeah, a guy got shot and buried alive. What are you saying Buck? Like

Ellen: The helicopter pilot now says that infrared penetration is not optimal. So obviously they’re actually scanning the forest with their infrared.

Alice: Yeah, they’re doing their best, but um, the Angeles National Forest is fucking massive. Yeah.

Bex: Which is why I was surprised that they were so fricking close [00:13:00] when they started.

Alice: It’s also, I also don’t know why they go from Santa Monica. ’cause like we know that they’ve done jobs at Santa Monica, but now they’re doing jobs in the Angeles National like that. They have a really big catchment area that seems to do. Like

Bex: we, we have talked about the fact that it seems that we have, yeah, they just go everywhere.

Alice: They go everywhere except for Disneyland. Like we don’t go to Anaheim. That’s, that’s a hard no. Um,

Bex: especially considering they are the 118 so you would assume that there would be like a one 17 or one 16, like they would be house, there would be houses with lower numbers, like closer perhaps to the forest. But yeah, when

Ellen: maybe it just depends on who’s available at the time to be routed to that place.

Alice: It’s always the 118.

Bex: It’s always the,

Alice: but yeah. No, I just wanted to say how big the Angeles National Forest and Yeah, it’s massive.

Ellen: Well they’ve, they’ve narrowed it down to using the cell signal, but it’s not great. Buck is using some sound detection device. I, [00:14:00] if

Bex: this, it’s so stupid.

Ellen: I assume it’s a real thing, but like

Bex: I could not find it

Alice: Oh yeah, my dad has one.

Bex: A sound detector?

Alice: It’s like a magnifier for sounds. Yeah.

Bex: Really?

Alice: Yeah. My dad has one.

Bex: I thought it was co you put his headphones and

Ellen: what does he use it for?

Alice: I dunno. He’s got binoculars too. He just is a stickybeak. Um, we used it in ages actually, but yeah, he used to take it on holidays with us and we used to listen to like when the, um, duck hunters were there, we’d listen to see what they were talking about because we’ve got a creek that the neighboring property,

Ellen: It really is a stickybeak thing!

Alice: Yeah, he is just bored.

Bex: Like, alright. I, I completely thought that the show made that up for like exposition and storyline purposes, but

Alice: No, we have one.

Bex: Okay. But the thing is Buck has it pointed on the ground right? Where he and the rest of the 118 are walking and

Alice: Oh, he’d a hundred percent just be able to hear his foot.

Can’t everyone, he can’t hear anything. You’d have to shut up to be able to work it [00:15:00] out, but Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. Well there’s a, there’s also a lot of people there in the forest and trucks and everything, like peop heaps of people there trying to find this guy.

Bex: Buck would not be able anything with that stupid device if they’re walking and talking and crunching and holding.

Alice: Yeah, you can, I mean, I’m assuming the one that the 118 has is a bit better, but, um, you can get them for 140 bucks on Amazon

Ellen: so you can listen to your neighbours talking.

Alice: We’ve had, we’ve had one since I was like, since I was a kid, so it’s probably really shit compared to the ones that are. Around now.

Bex: Okay.

Alice: Um, but yeah, we’ve had one forever. Like I’ve used it so many times that like when Buck had one I was like, oh, yeah. Didn’t realize it wasn’t a thing that like everyone else just had in their house.

Ellen: Well, I mean the, the stupidest thing about it is that then, uh, where is this now? Like he, Bobby basically tells everyone to shut up, uh, a little bit so that Buck can actually hear

Bex: a little bit later on. But yeah, that’s eventually it’s like Buck’s been sweeping with this thing, wondering why the fuck he can’t [00:16:00] hear anything. And then Bobby goes, oh, maybe everyone should be really quiet and we’ll, you know, send the helicopter away so that it is actually silent and he can, you know, use this device the way God intended it to be used.

Ellen: Yeah. The helicopter is there too. Yes.

Bex: Meanwhile, um, Edgar is continuing to freak the fuck out. Um. And decides to go a get a little bit violent. Start, you know, releasing some of his frustration and anxiety through, um, punching the, the box. Um, and he’s

Alice: typical man

Bex: and he’s, he’s like really happy with his progress because as he’s punching, um, he’s breaking the wooden box and he’s think, he’s thinking that he’s making progress, uh, forgetting that if he is in, he is indeed buried alive then those wooden planks that he’s breaking through, is all that is between him and the however many feet of dirt of soil that [00:17:00] he’s buried under

Ellen: and loose soil that has just been shoveled on top.

Bex: So as soon as he cracks through those boards, said dirt starts pouring in on top of him, reducing his oxygen supply even more. So that’s when we get to, oh,

Ellen: he’s panicking, isn’t he?

Bex: Well, yeah, that’s when he is, that’s when they get the idea of everybody shut the fuck up. Um, and May is going to get Edgar to use what little oxygen he has left to make as much noise as he can in the hopes that Buck will be able to pick something up on his, you know, Scan-o-tron,

Alice: apparently people use them for birdwatching,

Bex: but again, they’re holding it up in the air and they’re very, very quiet.

They’re not, you know, sweeping it across the ground in front of their feet as they’re crunching through, walking under, crunching through all of the stuff underfoot

Ellen: and trying to hear a sound underground.

Bex: Yes. Like

Ellen: I, I dunno. Anyway, it doesn’t matter because for the drama.

Bex: Yes, for the drama. [00:18:00]

Ellen: May tells Edgar

Alice: I love, I’m usually the one that’s like, this is so unrealistic. And instead I’m just like, yes, this absolutely Buck with the hearing device. This absolutely checks out. I would’ve done this with my hearing device thing.

Bex: Okay. But

Alice: if I had someone buried

Bex: You have, you have a slight advantage in that I was 100% certain that they had made that device up for the show. I did not realize that it actually existed.

Alice: Next week they’ll be using binoculars and Bex is like, there’s just some magical thing that lets them see

Bex: Hey, I know what binoculars are. My god.

Ellen: Yeah. May tells Edgar to scream now. Scream now! And he does, and May’s like Ow. ’cause it’s like he’s screaming directly into the phone apparently,

Bex: which causes feedback through her. Yeah. I don’t know. Um. But it works.

Ellen: It works. And Buck can hear it.

Alice: Yes.

Ellen: For the drama. Um,

Bex: yeah, for the drama.

Ellen: And then, and then Buck runs over and starts digging with his [00:19:00] hands again. Like,

Alice: because that’s what he does. No one gives this poor guy a shovel.

Bex: No, I was more like, how did you manage to pinpoint the exact spot that he was buried in, considering that, you know, you were just listening and the sound didn’t exactly give you a longitude of latitude to run towards. But I’m gonna give him the benefit.

Alice: Yeah, I, I didn’t get that, but it’s fine. Yeah. He just real good at listening.

Bex: I’m give the benefit of the doubt that he saw that like the ground was compacted, except that this one section over here that was a lot looser and a lot darker because it, it had been dug up recently, so that’s why I started digging there.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. Um, and he’s really good at listening

Bex: really?

Ellen: Apparently.

Alice: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: Only when he has this strange device.

Bex: He is only good at listening to hearing people scream. Not actually, you know, when they’re talking to him.

Ellen: Yeah. He can’t hear the forest for the trees

Alice: He’s still a man. Okay? Give him a break.

Ellen: Well, they, anyway, they dig down, they find the box, they open it and pull the guy [00:20:00] out and he has aspirated the dirt. And then as he’s sort of, he comes around as they’re looking at him and he goes, “I’m so sorry, Lizzie.”

Bex: Yeah. Because for the first time ever we have like a random NPC female paramedic.

Ellen: Yeah. There’s people there who aren’t 118

Bex: and she has lines and she had like cameras.

Alice: Yeah. She has lines

Bex: focusing on her for the sole purpose of Edgar looking at her and calling her Lizzie. And then, um, Buck going, “I thought your name was Julie?” To, uh, to make us understand that this was Yeah, Edgar was something was going on with him that the name Lizzie was important, but I’m looking at this woman going,

Alice: this next part was

Bex: like, why are you suddenly here? And we never see her again.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. That’s it. Like, she’s literally just appears and then vanishes again. Like, just to be like my name’s Julie,

Ellen: just to let us know what’s happening with, um, yes, Lizzie.

Alice: But yeah, this, this part did make me [00:21:00] laugh so hard because, so Taylor’s there still reporting and she’s just like, “yeah, we’ve had like. We’ve had no official word from rescue personnel based on radio communication. The search has been going on for well over…” and then the cameras just like zooms in on the guy rescued,

and she’s like, “oh. Um, he’s, he’s been found there, you see? Yep. There you see him. Uh, first responders literally pulling him from the ground probably, I guess. Um, we don’t have an identity, but he seems to be… yeah, he is. Yeah, he’s moving. So he’s probably alive.”

Ellen: Yeah, that’s on the ground reporting right there.

Bex: Good job, Taylor. Uh, she’s very good at like, literally reporting on everything that’s happening on the scene because as she’s telling the viewers “Oh yeah. He, he has, he’s been found and he’s alive,” um, Detective Ransone drives onto the scene. So she turns to the camera and goes, “Investigators are now beginning to arrive as the next phase of this mystery begins.” like, thanks Taylor!

Alice: like, yes, [00:22:00] I’m right here. Thanks. Yeah, we, we saw that.

Ellen: Thanks for letting us know.

Alice: Um, so this next part, like we, we, um, we’ve taken quite an extended break from 9-1-1 over the holiday period.

Bex: Yeah. This is our first time actually talking about 9-1-1 this year. I know you all got, um, “Brawl in Cellblock 9-1-1” a couple of weeks ago, but that was recorded 2025 before.

This is our first time. Yeah. Like this in 2026.

Alice: That was recorded in like week one of Heated Rivalry. Like that was, it was a while ago. Um,

Ellen: it was what? It was after episode four because we

Alice: Oh, was it really?

Ellen: Yeah. ’cause we freaked, freaked out.

Bex: It was all about the club scene.

Ellen: about the club scene at the end of that episode.

Alice: Oh, that’s right because episode six, aired on like the day after Christmas. That’s right. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, um, so

Ellen: let’s not get derailed by that again.

Alice: Yeah. We’re not talking about Heated Rivalry this time, I swear. But it’s been like ages since we watched this show. And I was listening to, um, the Supernatural Then and Now podcast, literally the day that I watched this [00:23:00] episode.

And they were like, oh, you know, they were talking about some show that they’d been watching and how good it is when they, like, when network t when TV shows don’t spoon feed their audience. ’cause they’re like, you know, network TV shows tend to just think that the audience is dumb, so they spoon feed everything and it’s nice to watch something that isn’t spoon-fed.

And I was like, yeah, like, I agree. It’s really nice to watch things that like, you know, they don’t think that the audience is an idiot and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Bex: And then you watch 9-1-1

Alice: turns up, Lou turns up and I’m just like. Why is this being so dramatic about this cop? And then it like very, very specifically, zooms in on the scar on his neck.

And I was like, oh yeah, that’s right. He goes and I’m like, oh my fucking God. I’m the idiot network TV viewer that they have to spoon feed.

Ellen: But it feels like ages ago we last saw him in the hospital, but it was only a couple of episodes ago. Right?

Bex: Well this is episode seven, so he got, the last time we saw him was what, episode three? So it’s been four episodes.

Alice: Yeah, it has not been,

Bex: it’s been [00:24:00] a month.

Ellen: So it’s been a little while. Yeah. Alright.

Alice: Um, but it was just so funny because I was literally like, yeah, I’m sick of being spoonfed. And then they’re like, remember this guy? See how he’s got the scar?

Bex: And, and you’re grabbing like the, the like, here comes the airplane and you’re like mouth open just waiting for it.

Alice: Literally. So funny.

Ellen: But it’s also, it’s like, it’s a really ugly scar. Like they, like I know that he did get like his, not his throat slashed, but you know, they. They could have got like a plastic surgeon to help out or something. Like, it’s a really awful, like big red, like angry looking scar.

Alice: It’s been a month. Leave the poor guy alone.

Bex: Not to like, not to get too into it ’cause it is very much for the drama, but it was a couple of days between him being his throat slush and him being found. So the wound had probably started to heal a little bit. Not true. Yeah. Um, and then he is an LAPD detective. I don’t know that the insurance covers, um, cosmetic [00:25:00] surgery.

Especially elective cosmetic surgery.

Ellen: Yes. But did they just

Bex: because the cops health insurance did

Ellen: tack him together with…

Bex: yeah. They’ve gone, okay, you’re all fixed. You know, you’re no longer bleeding. Everything’s on the inside now. It should, that should be on the inside. You’re good to go.

Ellen: Oh. Um, yeah.

Bex: So yeah, there probably are in universe reasons for why it looks like that, but externally it’s for the drama. Um.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: I just thought it was ridiculous that he walked up to a random search and rescue worker and goes, where’s Bobby? And they immediately knew who he was talking about.

Alice: Yeah. Not even Where’s Captain Nash? Like what,

Bex: or where like where is, what is the, what is the name of the, the person that’s running the scene? Like the, the, the one,

Alice: the incident controller? Yeah.

Bex: Where’s the incident commander?

Alice: Like where’s the IC? Like, no, just, “Where’s Bobby?”

Bex: Where’s Bobby? And they’re like, oh, he’s over there. Like, excellent, thank you. Like what? There’s no point in the next scene. It’s just a little bit more exposition as we feel low in [00:26:00] with the fact that, you know, the, the guy was shot, buried alive. Um, says that he was, carjacked mentioned something about Lizzie, perhaps his wife, um, and that he tried to claw his way out of the coffin a la Dean Winchester.

Ellen: Mm-hmm. Uh, yeah, Lou’s a bit confused, uh, as like, “he’s, he’s like a coffin. I thought the victim said it was a carjacking?” So apparently Carjackers now dig holes and bring coffins, but, um, so they’re working through it. And this next part, or maybe after the scene next, like the whole mystery of this is just completely exposition.

It’s like we don’t it, they just tell us everything.

Alice: Yeah, they do.

Ellen: They don’t show us anything. It’s just all just people talking about what happened. So.

Bex: Okay. But I am, I am going to say that I do quite enjoy the way that they tell us. This for me anyway.

Ellen: I mean, it’s the style of like a detective [00:27:00] mystery, like a,

Bex: I had, I was enjoying the way that they were telling us, and I didn’t actually care that they were just spoonfeeding me and not showing the mystery.

Alice: I’m very surprised that you liked it because this is very much like one of those murder mysteries that there’s no way you can guess because like, at least the, um, the locked gate mystery from last year, like last season

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: They’re like, yes, there’s a gun. Yes, there’s a dog. Yes. She is like mad at things. Um, and so you’re like, oh, yeah, it all makes sense. Whereas this, it’s like, it’s so what?

Bex: I think it’s because they are making no attempt to make it be a classical mystery. Like they’re not even making any bones of, oh yes, we’re going to do, like, they might be calling it a mystery, but there’s nothing in the narrative that sets it up as a mystery.

Alice: People, like, we don’t want this show to be a cop show. And they’re like, okay, cool. It’s a show with cops near it.

Bex: I just enjoyed it.

Alice: It’s like, okay,

Bex: I will get to it when we get to it. But the way that they’ve written it, the way that they cut the scenes, I quite enjoyed that. So I was willing [00:28:00] to switch my brain off and just enjoy the pretty people for a little while.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Uh, but unfortunately we do have to deal with Harry in this episode as well, so we’re gonna start with

Ellen: Oh, bless him.

Bex: We’re gonna start with

Ellen: Harry’s going through it.

Bex: He really is. And I will say that considering that this show is, you know, is sometimes very adverse to showing people going through shit when they’ve had bad stuff happen to them, I do like that we are being allowed to continue to see Harry go through it and they are giving him,

Alice: was Harry in the last episode at all?

Bex: No, the last episode was all about being in the prison, so no.

Alice: Yeah. Cool. No, I was just trying to work out how they. Because obviously they switched the episodes and I was like, was

Bex: because Brawl,

Alice: like, did they have to switch scenes around? But no.

Bex: ’cause “Brawl in Cellblock 9-1-1” was pretty much a, like a pocket, a bottle episode. It could’ve gone anywhere in the, in the universe.

Alice: Yeah. Cool.

Bex: Yeah. [00:29:00] Uh, so Harry is at school. Um, he’s waiting for May to come pick him up. She is running late. Um, which just gives him the opportunity to, um, to see one of the dads drive up to pick up their kid and get Harry gets triggered because the guy is like, white dude, brown hair.

Similar facial features to Jeffrey driving a dark car like Lou’s car and Harry’s off to the races he thinks that he’s seeing Jeffrey

Alice: look to, to be fair.

Bex: Yeah,

Alice: I absolutely relate to Harry. Oh my God. It’s a white guy with dark hair. It’s fucking Jeffrey again. Oh no wait. Apparently it’s not,

Ellen: it’s a bit of a flashback type thing as well. ’cause we see, like him remembering, um, Jeffrey throwing him into the car and stuff, but then May is there and she like snaps him out of it by [00:30:00] sort of calling his name. She’s like, didn’t you hear me calling you? And she’s,

Alice: yeah. What the fuck are you doing? Little brother?

Ellen: Yeah. But, um, May’s gotta drop drop him at home before she goes to work

Bex: No, she’s dropping him at therapy.

Ellen: Oh yeah.

Bex: She’s taking him to therapy before she starts her shift. Um, but we get our first reference to ghosts in this episode.

Ellen: Is this the only time we get any kind of reference to being haunted or ghosts?

Bex: No, Chim Chim won’t stop talking about ghosts. His entire storyline.

Ellen: Okay.

Bex: Is him thinking that he’s chasing ghosts.

Alice: Yeah. The writers just remembered again that Jennifer Love Hewitt was in Ghost Whisperer and they thought it was funny. They forgot for like a good three years. And then they’re like, Hey, remember that time?

Bex: Like this entire episode is about kind of at least the members of the 118 by, well at least Harry’s being haunted.

Hen and Karen are being haunted. I don’t know what the hell Shim is doing. [00:31:00] Uh, but they couldn’t use “Haunted” ’cause they’ve already used that as an episode title is, well, I don’t know what he’s doing. Yeah, so the, there are gonna be a lot of references to ghosts and being haunted, but it doesn’t actually make thematic sense , especially once you’ve removed that storyline about the ghost roommate.

That might have been the linchpin that really sort of made the episode theme work and now it no longer works.

Ellen: Mm-hmm. Anyway, apparently, um, Michael has dobbed him in to his therapist, um, because he caught him looking at, sorry, dobbing in, I dunno if that’s an Australian, uh, ism

Bex: Snitching! Snitching for you Americans,

Ellen: but he snitched. Yeah, he snitched, he, he told the therapist that Harry was looking at a Jeffrey Hudson website, justice for Jeffrey Hudson. We saw him doing that at the end of one of the episodes.

Alice: One of them. Yeah. Yeah.

Ellen: Um, and so the therapist is like, “It’s normal to be curious about him,” [00:32:00] blah, blah. And Harry’s like, I can’t believe my dad showed you this. It’s like, so embarrassing. But yeah, he’s just, he doesn’t wanna talk about it. He doesn’t want to be doing therapy.

Everyone wants him to move on, and he’s not interested in reliving any of it.

Bex: Well, he is not interested in reliving it. If it means that once he’s talked about it, he has to forget about it, he can never talk about it again. I think he, he’s not interested in moving on. If moving on means pretending that it never happened, which is like what everybody wants him to do, just go back to normal, be the Harry that they knew before, but he’s not the Harry that they knew before.

He’s been changed and he wants that acknowledged. Um, but he feels like the grownups in his life are not willing to do that. So it’s like, well, if I’m not allowed to move on, I’m gonna like plant my heels and I’m just gonna stay right here in this trauma.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean, at least, at least they haven’t swept all of this under the rug. Like, I hate that he has to go through this, but it’s,

Bex: yes, like I said, it’s, it’s nice [00:33:00] that he’s being allowed to go through this and we are being shown that he’s going through it. And then we get Harry telling his therapist that he sees Jeffrey not in his dreams, when he’s awake. So he’s admitting to the flashbacks and the hallucinations, well, not hallucinations, it’s more he is just seeing people and that look like Jeffrey and it’s triggering the flashbacks and it’s triggering that. Yeah. He’s re-traumatizing himself.

Ellen: Yeah. And I’m not sure if the therapist told this to Michael, like she shouldn’t really be telling Michael all the details, but at least he told Athena and Athena is telling Bobby that, um, you know, the therapist thinks she had a breakthrough.

Bex: I really hope that she just said we’ve had a breakthrough. Yeah. And not this is the breakthrough that we had. ’cause Yeah, that would be, not that I know anything about therapy, especially when it’s like childhood therapy, but I [00:34:00] have a feeling that’s a huge violation.

Ellen: Mm. Yeah. I mean, she’d have to make sure it was okay with Harry to share anything with his parents if she was planning on it. I doubt he wants that shared.

Bex: Mm. Well, especially considering how Athena takes the news that he’s finally opening up to his therapist. She’s pissy because he’s not opening up to her like, ma’am, you can’t ha, he’s gotta open up to someone. Just be happy that he is opening up to someone at all.

Ellen: Yeah. Bobby’s trying to calm her down. Like, you know, “something terrible happened to him. He’s trying to understand what happened.” And, um, Athena’s just mad that he went on the website and looked at the things that, that, um, Jeffrey wrote about, oh, or his, um, followers, whatever his fans wrote about her.

So anyway, I hope she’s still going to therapist. Actually she did.

Bex: You know she’s not.

Ellen: Does say at some point, “that’s what my [00:35:00] therapist said.” So she’s seen someone at least one time.

Alice: Yeah. She saw it that one time.

Bex: Yeah, she’s just relying on everything that her therapist said that one time. We’re in hospital, we are watching Edgar inhale chocolate pudding while Lou questions him about

Ellen: This scene is actually really cute as well because, um, you know, he’s being kind of edgy about like the whole thing, but as Lou is, um, questioning him, Taylor Kelly comes in, she just like,

Alice: oh, and he has the hots for

Ellen: sweeps into the room.

Alice: Taylor Kelly. So, yeah,

Ellen: and Alice just sort of doesn’t pay attention to anything else that’s happening the scene. Neither does Kelly is that

Alice: Neither does Edgar.

Ellen: He’s, he’s a bit star-struck.

Alice: I also laughed when, um, when he’s like, “oh yeah, the guy had one of those things on, what do you call it? Baklava?”

Bex: Oh, the, yeah. He had a baklava on his face,

Alice: And he meant balaclava.

Bex: He was close. [00:36:00] He had the correct letters. So just in the wrong order.

Yeah. Um, but yeah, so Taylor swoops in with a giant, um, balloon bouquet and a teddy bear, which I’m sure that she expensed to Channel Eight.

Alice: Um, a hundred percent. Yeah. And use the company credit card.

Bex: Unfortunately for Lou, Edgar seems to be more than willing to talk to Taylor. Um, in fact, Edgar seems to have forgotten that Lou’s in the room at all.

Alice: Yeah. Um, like Lou’s like, “oh, you should probably leave.” And Edgar’s like, “no, no, she can stay. I’m a big fan,”

Bex: except Lou’s like her. Right. Um, then Taylor starts asking, you know, maybe you’d like to do like an on-camera interview, and he is like, “Oh yeah, I don’t remember much.” She’s like, “Well, maybe we can interview your wife.”

“Um, yeah, yeah. My wife, my wife’s not here. She’s on a cruise.” And every [00:37:00] thing that Taylor says, like, oh, you know, we can call the cruise ship. Yeah. You know, it’s, the ticket wasn’t her or her name. Yeah. But she’ll be on the manifest. We can still, uh, yeah. But it’s just, and Lou notices how reluctant Edgar is to give any kind of definitive information, and he is like, oh, that’s interesting.

Ellen: He’s being very cagey.

Bex: He’s being very cagey. But it’s more that he’s, he got more information out of Edgar being cagey with Taylor than he did just talking to Edgar himself.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And eventually Edgar pulls the, “oh, you know, I, I don’t feel so good. You know, I got shot and got buried alive, and I’m really tired. I, I think I just need to rest. Like you, you could leave a card?” And Taylor and Lou both rip out business cards and smack them down at the table,

Ellen: and then [00:38:00] Lou’s like, “oh, you might wanna call me first if you’re in trouble, I can help you.” But, um, Taylor’s like, after they leave the room, she’s like, “That was weird. Right?” He’s, he’s like, obviously lying.

Alice: Yeah. Even Taylor’s trying to be friends with Lou and Lou’s like, I don’t wanna be friends with you.

Bex: Lou’s just going reaction to Taylor is really interesting and I was trying to remember whether there was anything in the Jeffrey Hudson episodes where Taylor was obstructive or whether she like butted in or whether she leaked details to the public that the police, whether there was any reason for the animosity that Lou was showing.

And then I realized that Taylor wasn’t in those episodes, so there’s no reason for him to be hating on her as hard as he is right now, except for the fact that he’s police and she’s a journalist.

Ellen: She’s just getting in the way,

Bex: but she’s, she’s shown that she,

Alice: she’s literally just existing. Yeah,

Bex: but we’ve seen, like in the past, Taylor has assisted, like [00:39:00] she was instrumental in the, um, the Sue Blevins case.

So I, I don’t understand why Lou is having the reaction that he’s having to her in this episode, except for it sets up the, um, the two of them sort of butting heads as they try to work. They’re at odds as they’re working on the same case.

Alice: Yeah. I think they just wanted to show like, oh look, cops don’t like reporters, but they didn’t build up to it.

Bex: Yeah. It’s weird, like to the point where Lou is saying, “You know, I am, I’ll give you this one little piece of information on the case. Um, I’m going to put a uniformed officer on Mr. Hill’s door, um, to stop you from coming back and talking to him.”

Alice: Yeah, it’s weird. Um, I did laugh, like it’s funny when Taylor’s like, “oh, what kind of carjacker put someone in a coffin?” And Lou’s like, “oh, you firefighter boyfriend tell you about that?” Taylor’s like, “no, I watched,”

Bex: I was literally there.

Alice: “A coffin and I was being pulled out of a hole and put in the back of a [00:40:00] van. Like

Bex: you saw me on the scene. You knew

Alice: literally like I said hi to you. We waved, like did you get brain damage while also getting your neck cut? Because like we literally had a full on conversation, Lou.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: While they were pulling a coffin out of the hole next to us. He just, I even said, wow, cool coffin. Like, how have you forgotten all this?”

Bex: He just seems very resentful and it doesn’t seem, I don’t know why. Yeah, it just seems weird. Speaking of weird or maybe not, but I don’t know how to segue from Lou and Taylor doing their thing to Chim driving down a stretch of road with Gwan in the back.

Ellen: Yeah. It is kind of a weird segue, like a weird, um, scene change, like it’s not, it’s not one of their usual like thematic scene changes where they can pass it easily.

Bex: Maybe it’s, maybe it’s because it’s, um, like we go to commercial after Lou and Taylor and then when we come back from commercial, we’re with Chim.

So they don’t, they’re not trying to be clever about the transition. Um, but yes, Chim is on his way to [00:41:00] Boston following the lead that, um, Buck gave him at the end of whatever episode that was, was that Brawl, was that in “Brawl in Cell Block 9-1-1”? I can’t even remember.

Ellen: No, it was the, it was the episode before that.

Bex: Okay, cool. Whatever. I, I really don’t care. It’s a stupid storyline. Um, but basically he heard bells, which is apparently a very, very specific set of bells, um, which Buck is very, very certain, is belongs to a church in, um, in Boston. And then Hen goes, “You know, that those bells, they also have a set of those uh, in Burbank, like in California.”

Alice: I laughed so hard and Chim was just like, you fucking kidding me right now. It’s like I say Buck, what are you doing to me?

Bex: He’s like, “I swear to God, Hen, if I drive to the Eastern seaboard with my infant daughter and Maddie is somewhere in the 8 1 8, I’m gonna kill Buck, and then I’m gonna bring him to the point of death. And with my non non insubstantial [00:42:00] paramedic skills, I will revive him and then I will kill him again.”

Alice: Oh God.

Ellen: Hen’s like, “Why would she be in Boston?” Yeah. But you know, she used to live there and that’s where she went to medical school. No, she was in nursing school there.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: And they barely saw, she and Doug barely saw each other. So she was happy.

Alice: Yeah. It was the happiest part of her marriage

Bex: when she never saw her husband.

Alice: When she didn’t see her husband.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Which then Hen segues to talking about herself by going, “What is everybody’s, um, obsession with revisiting the past?” And Chim’s like, “Oh, that seems very pointed. What’s going on with you?” And apparently Eva is back. ’cause that’s apparently all the writers can think to do with Hen is Eva.

Ellen: Yeah. When, when she said that, I’m just like, no. Really?

Bex: [00:43:00] Yes. Really.

Ellen: I don’t care about Eva

Bex: Eva wants, Eva wants to come to the station and talk.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And Hen doesn’t know what would be worse, talking to her ex or telling her wife that she talked to her ex.

Ellen: Yeah. Turns out that it was the latter. But anyway, yes. Like there’s gotta be a reason Maddie’s gone back to her past. Maybe she’s chasing ghosts.

Alice: Or telling ghost stories or something. I don’t find,

Bex: yeah, I don’t know.

Ellen: She wants to whisper to them, but Chim thinks maybe he’s cha, he’s the one chasing ghost, which doesn’t, is fair. I mean, I don’t know how long he’s been on the road. We have left him for like a couple months at this point, just driving around aimlessly. I mean, to him it’s probably only been a week.

Bex: Well, I mean, if he’s trying to go from California to Boston, that’s, there’s like, that’s like literally across the country, right? Yeah.

Ellen: Only that’s a re [00:44:00] that’s several days drive. Especially with a baby, like

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. What the hell,

Bex: yeah. I do not, do not envy him driving that much. Although it looks like Jee-Yun seemed like they’ve written that Jee-Yun is good in her car seat. I could not imagine doing that with one of my kids who absolutely hated his car seat, like screaming until he threw up, hated his car seat.

Alice: Jesus.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah, we had one of them too. It was all right for short distances. But yeah, we went up the coast and uh oh, that was not a good idea.

Alice: Just wanna say, I put Autumn in her car crate and she just goes to sleep. And then we get to the other end and I take her out of her car crate and she just exists.

Ellen: Very reasonable of Autumn.

Alice: And then I put her back in and then she just goes back to sleep. So another point for dogs over children, but you know, whatever you en you enjoy your offspring.

Bex: Uh, speaking of offspring, um, Michael is talking to his [00:45:00] eldest offspring, who is,

Alice: I thought you were about to like, launch into singing or something. Speaking of The Offspring. You know,

Bex: I liked The Offspring. They were great.

Alice: Love The Offspring.

Bex: Yes. Even if they did only know like three chords, but you know, the dude was a like, yeah, that’s okay. A biochemical, like he had a PhD in chemistry or something so he can be forgiven for, you know. Oh yeah. He was wicked smart.

Alice: Speaking of Boston, um, apparently Bex just got back

Bex: Oh me? Other Bex?

Alice: You just said wicked smart.

Ellen: Oh,

Alice: such a Boston thing. A

Bex: Bo Boston. A Boston to get some coffee. That was horrible. Anyway,

Alice: it was awful.

Ellen: Apologies to people from Boston.

Alice: Yeah. Hopefully we don’t have anyone from Boston in, um, who listens,

Bex: Michael. Michael and May. Yes.

Alice: But we’re really sorry

Bex: Michael and May are. Um. May is pretty much chastising her [00:46:00] father for not talk, for not getting all in touch with his feelings. Um, and communicating his feelings about, um, Harry’s ordeal because

Alice: Yeah. Why aren’t you going to therapy, dad?

Bex: Of all of the parents, Michael seems to be the one that’s of the, forget about it, move on, pretend it never happens school of thought.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Whereas May is of the let’s all hold hands and sing Kumbaya and talk about our feelings together as a family. That’s literally the scene. Um,

Ellen: yeah.

Alice: Yeah. Pretty much.

Ellen: But Harry heard them. He, he was in the other room and he heard what they were saying to each other.

Bex: Yes. ’cause uh, the part that I left out, which is probably the important part, is that, um, May noted that despite.

The therapist in a previous episode telling, um, Michael and Athena that it was important for Harry to go back to the house because them allowing him to stay away was reinforcing that the house was scary and they needed to teach him [00:47:00] that the house was not scary. It was Jeffrey that was scary. Despite them doing that, Harry has still not returned to the house.

Um, and neither has Michael. And that’s, and then we cut to Harry and you’re like, oh, what is Harry going to do with that information?

Alice: Also, like maybe don’t talk really openly and loudly about the child who is literally sitting in the next room. Like, Michael’s apartment’s not that big. It’s an apartment. Where did they think Harry was gonna be?

Bex: I’m gonna assume that they assumed that he was like, like deep, very deep into whatever device, assuming they allowed him to have his laptop.

Alice: Like it’s fine, he’s looking at his, um, he’s looking at the,

Bex: he’s looking at the Justice for Jeffrey website. He’s not paying attention to what was.

Alice: He’s good. He’s good. He won’t listen.

Bex: Uh, then it’s Eva. Fuck. Okay. Um, Eva’s doing the 12 steps. She’s up to like step eight, maybe step [00:48:00] nine, uh, which is all about the, like doing amends to people, which is why she’s come to talk to Hen Hen.

Alice: Yeah. Apparently she can’t just send a text. She has to bother Hen at work.

Bex: Yeah. Like I had a, I had a quick look at the steps. I, I don’t, I don’t know that it’s useful to be forcing people who were the victims of the shit that you did while you were high or a drunk, um, to listen to you again. I don’t know.

Ellen: It might be good for you, but not for them.

Bex: Yeah. It’s good for Eva, but it’s not necessarily good for Hen and in this instance, Karen,

Alice: especially when she starts talking about Denny and so Hen’s hackles immediately go up. Yes. And she’s just like, “have you been talking to Denny? Like, why are you, you can’t have Denny.”

Bex: Stay away from my kids.

Ellen: Yeah. They’ve already been over this, but it’s all come back.

Alice: Yeah. It’s like, we’ve done this. I get it. I don’t care.

Bex: No. She was just thanking Hen for not alienating her [00:49:00] son and um, and telling her that, you know, when she does speak to Denny about her to please continue to be kind.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: And apparently she’s moving.

Alice: Yeah. And tell him the truth. Oh yeah. And she’s moving. So fuck off

Bex: to Oregon of all places. And if that scene wasn’t bad enough, we then have Hen go home and in the interests of being transparent with her wife lets her know that Eva came by the firehouse. And then Karen immediately goes into a panic spiral because

Alice: we, we, we do have to mention when Hen first walks in,

Bex: oh yes.

Alice: And Karen goes, how was your shift? And Hen goes weird. And Karen’s just so like, so nonchalant. She’s just like, “Weird how? Bust through a building weird. Or a woman’s face fell off weird?” Like, she’s so sick of the 118 shift. And then Hen’s like, and Eva walked into work weird. And Karen’s like, yeah, no, that’s, that’s what the fuck. Why would you? Yeah. Um, [00:50:00] yeah, thinking it was just a weird emergency that they’re all so used to by this point.

Ellen: Yeah. So Karen freaks out about it and, um.

Bex: Which she has like very, the show has shown us she has legitimate reason to be freaked out. But I just hate that they, these two, their storylines is Karen’s insecurity over Hen and Eva and the reminder that Hen is a cheater and has the capacity to cheat.

Alice: Yeah. And shoddy foster practices.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: That’s literally their entire storylines.

Bex: Hen was going to med school, why can’t we go back to the med school shit. Like bring back April Nadini. She was annoying, but at least she was better than this stuff.

Alice: Oh, right. Um, so yeah, like Karen obviously gets her back up Hen’s like, “That’s not fair.” and Karen’s like, “Fair? You cheated on me with her. Did you forget?” Um, and Hen’s like, “I didn’t have to tell you this.” It’s like, the fuck did, that’s not gonna help, Hen. Like, what the fuck are you doing?

Bex: Like, I know that that’s probably a [00:51:00] realistic conversation to be having, but do we have to be having this conversation at all?

Alice: It’s so dumb.

Ellen: Anyway, and then, then Karen makes it all worse by, Hen sort of believes that Eva is leaving town and Karen’s like, “How can you believe that?” And like, storms out. It’s like, because she said she was going to, I dunno, like why would she lie about it?

Bex: Because she’s Eva and she’s a lying liar who lies and she will say anything she can to fuck up their lives and get in Hen’s pants.

Ellen: Apparently.

Bex: Apparently.

Alice: Yep.

Bex: Okay. Um, so from there we return to presumably Boston. I’m guessing it’s Boston. Um, Chim has pulled up into a parking garage, which I think is attached to a hotel. He’s got Jee out of the car. He is dragging his little wheelie [00:52:00] suitcase across like an air bridge that connects the parking garage to the hotel, um, when he hears a woman start screaming.

And, uh, he is the only person of the, there’s at least five other men in suits around him at this point, but he’s the only person who immediately rushes over to this woman’s aid. Um, and she has pulled her very, very young baby out of the backseat of her car. He is unresponsive, he is unconscious, and he has blood gushing from his nose.

Ellen: Yeah. This is one of those scenes where the baby is sort of sometimes a baby and sometimes like a, a resuscitation dummy.

Alice: It’s so much a doll the whole time it’s a

Ellen: doll, like the, the, the baby is there some of the time,

Alice: but up, but they close up on its face and it’s just like doll. That’s like, why are you close closing up on a, like, closing up on a doll?

Like don’t, like stay further shots away. Don’t close [00:53:00] up on the doll. Um, but yeah, Chim does some great, um, great, great first aid because he, um, like grabs the baby. He uses the woman’s suitcase to like exam, not used as an exam table, but he also like points at someone and says, “you call 9-1-1,” which is exactly what you’re taught to do in a situation like this because if you say someone call 9-1-1, everyone will assume that someone else will call 9-1-1.

So you’ve got a single one person out and say you call 9-1-1.

Bex: Yep.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Alice: Um, so yeah, he did did great. Good job paramedic Chim. Um, this was the one thing that I had notes about on my first watch. I was very impressed with this scene and then I didn’t comment on the rest of the episode, so clearly I was just excited that Chim was existing again and then got bored

Bex: and being competent? Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. And being competent, like go Chim

Bex: and, uh, give it up for the Boston EMS service because no sooner does Chim say you call 9-1-1, we immediately hear sirens in the background.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah. Like, they’re [00:54:00] there, like that,

Bex: like that response time is…

Ellen: The fire station must be round the corner.

Alice: Yeah. Clearly I think that the hotel that he is staying at is actually like o on the, um, the EMS station. Like, it’s like maybe he chose it specifically because he is like, oh, you know, I just need it to be near the ambulance, ambulance dispatch.

Bex: I understand that, you know, for like, the episode, they needed the, the paramedics to get there quickly so they’re not extending this scene. And, you know, if we had to deal with like a 15 minute delay, it would be boring for the audience.

But I’m just like, wow, that’s

Alice: very impressive.

Bex: That’s so impressive. Um, so yes, EMS get there just as she manages to get the baby breathing. And

Alice: yeah. So Chim starts doing CPR. Um, he asks if like anything happened, there was no fender bender, no slamming on the brakes. Um, they just went to the aquarium and he was fine.

Bex: So no trauma that’s caused the baby’s blood nose or to stop him to stop breathing.

Alice: Hmm. But, um, but yeah, he does CPR, he does his little, like, he do the little finger pulses [00:55:00] on babies.

Bex: So he does the cutest little CPR ever.

Alice: Yeah. Um, and yeah, then the baby wakes up just as Boston a MS comes in. So we hear the Boston paramedic talk and Chim’s just looking on the ba looking at the baby.

So the camera stays on Chim and the baby, and Chim’s like, “Yep. Cool. Newborn, um, bleeding from the nose. Pulse is steady, breathing’s returned, looking at possible vitamin K deficiency,” and the paramedic just goes, “Sounds like someone trained you well.” And then looks at Chim and it’s Eli!

Ellen: Hey,

Alice: who, if you have also forgotten, um, Eli was the one who trained Chim to be a paramedic back in the Gerrard. Yeah. He was, um, 118 days.

Bex: He was part of the 118 until he decided, so

Alice: he was the first to like reach out to Chim and befriend him. Yes. So he’s the whole reason that Chim’s a paramedic. So

Ellen: yeah. Nice to get him back.

Bex: I [00:56:00] think this is like one of the few times that I’m actually happy about the 9-1-1 tendency to recycle characters.

Alice: Yeah. I do like Eli.

Bex: I’m like, Hey, I like Eli. Um, so he’s like, “What the hell are you doing in Boston, Howie?” I’m like, oh my God. He doesn’t know that his name’s Chimney now, so he’s gonna call him Howie.

Alice: I know. Like, oh, that’s so cute.

Bex: Um, and Chim says, “Chasing ghosts.” I’m like, yeah, really? Okay.

Ellen: This again? Um,

Alice: yeah, like, but he’s not dead. What do you mean chasing ghosts? Anyway?

Ellen: Yeah. So you briefly go back, actually not briefly. This is the scene where they’re gonna do the detective thing.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: So we have at the LAPD, um, station, we have Athena and Lou, um, obviously Athena hasn’t seen Lou at all since he came back. So she’s like, “Hey, heard you were back.”[00:57:00]

You know, they missed each other, blah, blah. So they start talking about the case, and the reason that Athena heard about this was from Taylor Kelly talking about it on tv.

Bex: Well, see, I don’t know how she, because she said, um. “I heard that you got a, I heard that you caught a real head scratcher,” and Lou says, “Did you hear that from Bobby?”

She said, “No, I heard it from Taylor. Also, you posted a uniform officer to keep her out.” And I wanna know how did she hear that from Taylor? Did, like, did Taylor say something about it on television or is she still having regular brunches with Athena?

Ellen: Yeah, maybe she’s just,

Bex: when Buck goes over to have brunch with Bobby and Athena.

Alice: Oh, like Taylor would’ve bitch to Buck. Buck would’ve bitch to Athena. Athena’s now bitching at Lou.

Bex: I just, it’s just, there’s, there’s a massive gap as to how Athena got this information and it’s a real shame that we don’t know what happened.

Alice: Either that or she heard it on the police [00:58:00] scanner, like someone was just like, oh yeah, I’ve gotta do a fucking shift at the fucking hospital to keep fucking Taylor Kelly out.

Bex: Um, Lou’s entire defense is that that woman is a menace, and I’m like. Is she though, like we haven’t actually seen any evidence of her being a particular menace to you. Um,

Alice: she’s just a working girl

Bex: who is working hard at Buck’s place because she’s using Buck’s, um, patio doors or balcony doors as her own like evidence board. She is working this case, she’s trying to figure out how Edgar Hill ended up buried alive and why he won’t tell anyone what happened. Um,

Ellen: and yeah, this is the exact, this is where Buck says what we’re all thinking again because I was like, Taylor, just to let the cops do their job. And then Buck says, “isn’t that the police’s job?” I’m like, thank you Buck.

Bex: But I really like how,

Ellen: but Taylor is having too much fun.

Bex: And whoever edited this scene is also having too much fun [00:59:00] because the way they transition back and forth is so cute. So like, um. Taylor picks up a can of Red Bull and starts sculling that. And then when we immediately cut to Lou lowering his cup of coffee, so the two of them, even though they are like are two different buildings, um, two different methods, they’re completely in sync.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: And throughout the scene they sort of cut back and forward as they… yeah, it’s completely exposition. They just tell us everything about the case.

Ellen: I like the bit where, um, Taylor says, “I’m sorry, Lizzie. That’s what he said when you pulled him outta the hole. Right?” And Buck’s like “How? I didn’t tell you that. How do you know that?” She’s like, “You think you’re my only source?” It’s like, who? Who told you that?

Bex: It immediately cuts back to Lou’s office and the first person to speak is Athena. So what are these two like besties now? Are they, you know,

Alice: maybe,

Ellen: yeah. Did Bobby tell Athena and Athena’s?

Bex: Are they getting mad at

Ellen: been [01:00:00] giving information to Taylor?

Alice: Gotta get in with the daughter in-law. Okay?

Bex: Yeah. I mean, I would love to think that it’s Athena and Taylor are like buddy buddies, but you’re right, it’s Bobby. He’s such a drama queen. He’s such, he loves his gossip. He’s 100%.

Ellen: Do you think Bobby told Taylor about it?

Bex: I think Buck told Bobby and Bobby told Athena.

Ellen: Yeah. But then how did Taylor find out about that

Bex: Buck.

Ellen: Athena told Taylor

Bex: Athena look, between Athena, Bobby, Buck and Taylor, there is information going backwards and forwards.

Ellen: Yes.

Bex: It’s my, it’s not always logical, it’s not always a straight line, but between the four of them, they, they all have like one brain cell at this point, and they’re all.

Ellen: Handing it around

Bex: pretty much. Yeah. Um, but, but, so between Lou and Athena working at LAPD and Buck and Taylor, well, Taylor, Buck’s just kind of there for moral support and, you know, look pretty, um, they’re working the [01:01:00] case and they’re working out that, um, they’re working about where they found where the boards for the coffin was purchased.

’cause apparently it’s not a, you know, proper coffin. It’s a DIY coffin. And the boards came from a particular, um, particular store and that Edgar was known at the store and, uh, there was a, a van that was seen outside of his house before this all went down and the wife was seen getting into the van. So.

Ellen: But he went to the store, but he didn’t buy anything ’cause they couldn’t find any records of him buying anything. Yeah, it’s So Athena thinks he might’ve been visiting a friend. Anyway, it’s, it’s a little confusing the way they explain it, but, um, they eventually come to the conclusion that Taylor thinks there’s something wrong with the marriage.

Um, there was life insurance policies involved. Yep. And they had a screaming match in the [01:02:00] driveway over life insurance. So

Alice: as you do in the driveway

Bex: and the conclusion that they both come to is that what happened to Edgar was a professional hit. And they both agree on that, but then they differ in who they think did it. They think that, uh, Taylor thinks that the wife did it. And Lou is pretty sure that, um,

Ellen: Edgar did it.

Bex: Edgar did it.

Ellen: No. Yeah, Edgar,

Bex: he said the husband did it, which is Edgar. So I think maybe he’s fake. Edgar’s faking it for the insurance or, anyway,

Ellen: Hang on. The husband did it. He thinks he shot and buried himself? Like,

Alice: yeah.

Ellen: What?

Bex: Well, it goes like, I’m gonna, Lou,

Ellen: I’m not connecting Lou’s dots here. What’s going on?

Bex: Okay, let’s, let’s read from the transcript. So Lou says, Edgar’s business is failing. He’s about to lose everything he has, but Edgar still has the life insurance policies and they’re worth millions, just not as long as Lizzie is [01:03:00] alive.

Um, when Buck says that he does Taylor think that it was a professional hit. Um, Athena asks whether the car that he got carjacked could have been a down payment on the job, on the, was presumably on the wife. Um. So I think Lou is thinking that he did get carjacked and thrown in the grave by the person that was supposed to be putting the hit out of

Ellen: that he hired his wife.

Bex: Yeah. Like the guy that he hired is like double crossed him or something. Um,

Ellen: yeah. Okay. I mean, it’s, it’s really effective the way that they get, they, they have like the split screen at the end with both of their faces on the screen. They both say at the same time, but it’s different. Yes.

Bex: Like I said, I just enjoyed the way that they cut backwards and forwards and the way that they edited it and the way they cut it together. Um, I wasn’t actually paying attention to what they were saying. I was just having a good time.

Ellen: No, obviously I wasn’t either.

Alice: Same. Yeah, [01:04:00] I was, I was just there for the ride. I wasn’t actually Yeah listening to,

Ellen: because now we’re talking about it. I’m like, wait, wait, now that, wait a minute.

Bex: Now that, you know, we’re actually, you know, the glass shattered and I can’t unsee that it made no fucking sense. But at the time I was having a great time and I was wanting to sense, spend my disbelief. It does make, but we shouldn’t have to think that hard about it. I mean, there’s, there’s a difference between being spoonfed, um, and having to pull out the red, the red yarn and sit up your own kind of serial killer board to try and figure out what the show is talking about.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. Alright, let’s go with Karen to visit Eva.

Bex: Do we have to?

Ellen: I don’t know why she’s doing this. So she goes, I don’t know how she knows where. Is this the same place that Eva was living when?

Bex: No, because the place, the last time we saw her, it was really sketchy place. This is quite,

Ellen: it was [01:05:00] like a motel room kind of thing.

Bex: I don’t know, but I mean, that was, wasn’t

Alice: Karen just used her rocket scientists ways to, she used triangulate the satellites and

Bex: she used the private detective that they hired to track down the, the, um, Nea’s birth mother,

Alice: She’s got em on a retainer.

Bex: She’s got a private detective on retainer. She’s like, I may as well use him.

Alice: She Hen didn’t agree to download Life 360, which is what, um, which is what Taylor told Karen to do. So she just hired a PI instead.

Bex: But basically she needed to see for herself that, um, Eva was actually moving, which she is there, the room.

Alice: She came to help her pack her bags. Honestly, she is like,

Bex: The room is full of boxes. Eva is quite clearly moving. Um, I mean, I guess the only thing that this scene kind of does is it does give Karen a little bit of closure. Yeah,

It does kind of put her insecurities to rest because Eva [01:06:00] tells her that, um, that Karen doesn’t have to worry about Eva because Hen loves Karen too much. In fact, she loves Karen more than she loves Eva.

Ellen: That, that’s basically the gist of the whole scene.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. So Karen says that she’s been worried about Eva since, um, the third date she had with Hen and Hen told Karen about Eva.

And the hurt was so raw and so deep, uh, Karen didn’t know whether to pull Hen close or run away, and Eva goes, well, it seems like you made the right choice. And then Karen goes, “I remember when you called Hen to tell her that you were pregnant, that you needed her help. I thought that’s it. She’s going back to Eva. They’re gonna be a family. Every time you call that’s what I feel, that I’m about to lose my wife and my son because all the people I love the most belonged to you first.”

Ellen: Aw. No wonder she’s so insecure about it.

Alice: Oof, that’s Well, yeah. Plus Hen fucking cheated on her.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: A couple years ago, like it was, Ugh. [01:07:00] Anyway, stupid. Fuck Eva.

Ellen: Apparently she’s leaving, so thank God

Bex: she’s moving to Oregon. Hope.

Ellen: Um, don’t tell me if she’s coming back. I don’t wanna know.

Bex: Oh, okay. Moving on. Um, are we gonna go to the hardware store now where Lou has tracked down a guy named Tom Gladden, who works at the hardware store and, uh, witnesses report that he’s met Edgar in the parking lot at least half a dozen times.

Um. And it looks like,

Alice: who are these witnesses keeping track?

Bex: I don’t know. Um, LAPD’s computer system is almost as fast as Boston EMS, because no sooner has Lou said the name, Athena has managed to find this guy’s record and print out his file.

Alice: Athena’s like, like friended him on Facebook. It was really weird.

Ellen: Which he suddenly knows everything about him anyway.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: Yeah. [01:08:00]

Bex: Uh, he’s an ex-Marine, he’s got a record. He did a stint at Lompoc, which I’m assuming is a prison. I didn’t actually care enough to look it up. Um,

Alice: yeah, me neither.

Bex: And he has not been back to work since Edgar’s carjacking, but he has used his credit card at a motel just up the coast

Alice: as you do, you know.

Bex: Um, and Lou would like Athena to do a little bit of legwork for him and take a photo of, of Tom to the hospital to see if Edgar can identify him. Even though Edgar’s story is that, you know, the guy that carjacked him had baklava all over his face. Um, but it doesn’t,

Alice: they’ve been looking for a Turkish guy this whole time didn’t trail off.

Bex: Um, but it doesn’t matter because Edgar has checked himself out,

Alice: which the arm guards didn’t tell him. Like what?

Bex: Apparently not. Well, they were only there to keep an eye out for Taylor. [01:09:00] They didn’t actually care about Edgar.

Ellen: Yeah, Athena’s doing what she does and she’s kind of taken over.

Alice: It’s still just outside an empty room.

Ellen: No. Athena’s taken over and now she’s got a car sitting on the house in case he comes home. Yeah. So she’s just taken that over and then Lou says, okay, I’m gonna go to the motel on my own. I’m like, Lou, remember what happened the last time you went somewhere on your own?

Bex: Yes. Thank you.

Ellen: To confront someone.

Bex: Like, do you really think that’s a good idea? Um, but no. She’s like, “oh, okay. Go get him, tiger.” Like, what?

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Like what?

Ellen: He’s just come back to work

Bex: and now you’re

Alice: literally like, Jesus Christ.

Bex: Although like, I guess they figure, you know, insurance fraud and carjacking is probably, you know, it’s, it’s not likely that Lou’s gonna get garotted again. Um, but you never know, like your chances of being garotted are slim, but never zero.

Ellen: He got his throat cut with a great big knife!

Alice: Especially on this show.

Bex: Exactly.

Alice: This show happens every second episode like [01:10:00] Jesus Christ.

Bex: Um, so Lou shows up to the motel just as Taylor Kelly and the Channel Eight news van shows up at the motel because Taylor has also come for the same conclusion. Um,

Ellen: she’s on fire this episode,

Bex: Lou is pissed. Um, Taylor says, you know, “I was, I was gonna tell you, I just, you know, needed to make sure that, you know, he was actually here and, you know, get a confession on camera.”

Ellen: She was gonna do like A Current Affair type, like,

Alice: yes.

Ellen: Did you kill your wife?

Alice: Shoving the camera in the face and they’re just like, I wanna talk to you. It’s like, did you kill your wife? Yeah.

Bex: Footage of, of, um, of someone running across the parking lot and then Taylor’s racing away after him in her, you know, sensible pants suit and low heels.

Alice: Yeah,

Ellen: she would totally [01:11:00] do that though.

Bex: She would,

Alice: she would. She’s the next Tracy Grimshaw

Bex: guys. Um, this is gonna make no sense to anybody except us.

Ellen: Oh, I’m sure that, I’m sure other countries have the same thing. Like honestly,

Bex: actually you that that, that is an interesting point. Do um, if you’re listening to this, uh, jump onto YouTube, look up like A Current Affair, um, and then tell us if you have something similar. Do you have reporters that, you know, chase people across parking lots in order to get a story? Or is that just a uniquely Australian experience?

Ellen: It’s just people who are whinging about something and they’re trying to get justice. The, um, justice,

Alice: the best thing that ever came out of, um, A Current Affair is still the guy barking like the dog.

Ellen: Oh yeah. Yes. There’s some really weird stuff on there. But anyway, yes. Um, Taylor did, she tells Lou that she did some old fashioned investigating.

Bex: Yes. Because Lou [01:12:00] is convinced that she cannot have figured this out by herself. Like so who tipped you off? Like, sir, she’s a journalist. I know she’s like on Channel Eight news and does some trashy stories, but she’s still a journalist. Give her some credit.

Alice: Yeah, she’s got integrity.

Bex: Um, so while he’s bitching to Taylor, he’s locked down the parking lot. Nobody gets in, nobody gets out. But apparently some dude is trying to order a pizza and, uh, lose like he

Ellen: deliver a pizza

Bex: like he’s gonna have to And

Alice: delivery of pizza. Yeah.

Bex: He’s gonna have to wait. I know it’s, it’s gonna ruin his tips, but you just keep a hold of him.

Ellen: But the, the um, man who’s like reporting this on the thing is like “he’s trying, he’s looking to deliver pizza.” Like he just totally doesn’t believe that he’s actually there for a pizza.

Alice: Like it’s a motel, like people gotta eat.

Bex: Yeah. But when, when we later see the pizza deliver a guy, I can completely understand why he’s skeptical.[01:13:00]

’cause it’s, it’s like someone with a vague idea of what a pizza delivery guy should look like. Not an actual pizza delivery guy. Um, so while this is all going down, the sheriff’s office has gone up to the motel room that Lou has identified as the one that’s being used with Edgar’s credit card? No. Tom Gladden’s credit card.

Um, they are knocking on the door. They’re calling for Tom to come out and Taylor is just like, “Who the fuck is Tom Gladden?” Yeah. And Lou’s like “The very dangerous man whose door you were about to knock on.” And Taylor’s like, “No, I was here to talk to Edgar’s wife, Lizzie Hill.” And Lou’s like, “No, Lizzie’s dead. Gladden killed her.”

And then we cut to the motel room where Tom Gladden is being led away in handcuffs, and a woman in a bathrobe is also being handcuffed. Um, and Lou is like, who the fuck is that woman? And Taylor’s like “Edgar’s [01:14:00] wife, the one who hired Tom Gladden to kill her husband.” So between the, both of they realized at that point that they, they both kind of right.

Ellen: Yeah. They were half, they were both half right. They were both half right.

Bex: Yeah. And then just to make the situation even more dramatic, we get a call over the radio that we got a runner and the pizza delivery guy sprints across the parking lot, um, towards Tom. And as he’s tackled by the sheriff’s department, the pizza box goes flying, revealing that the only thing in the box was a gun because it’s,

Alice: and he didn’t even bring pizza, which just sounds really rude, honestly,

Bex: because it’s, it’s not a pizza delivery guy, it’s Edgar in a generic red ball cap, a generic red polo shirt and jeans.

Which is why I said like, that’s really suspicious. I’m assuming that if he is delivering pizza, unless it was like a DoorDash or an Uber kind of [01:15:00] thing, if it was actually a pizza delivery guy, he would be in some kind of uniform.

Alice: Yeah. I don’t know. Um, he’s in the generic red polo shirt pizza.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Shop, obviously.

Bex: Um, so they’ve arrested Edgar, they’ve arrested Tom. They’ve arrested Lizzie. And both Lou and Taylor are very, very confused.

Ellen: Yeah. In a bizarre turn of events. So Taylor’s gonna like you know, do a story about this anyway. Shocking new development. Uh, three suspects are in custody, including Mr. Hill himself. Um, and then they’re all separately in interrogation rooms at the police.

Bex: And it’s the most hilarious interrogation because Edgar is kind of refusing to say anything. Lizzie is refusing to say anything. Tom’s spilling his guts. He’s like, I

Alice: Tom’s just telling every Yeah, Tom’s telling everyone everything.

Bex: Yep.

Alice: Yeah. He’s like, I have no loyalty to these fuckers.

Bex: Nope. [01:16:00] So the story goes that, um, Edgar was a regular at the hardware store and he spun a tale of woe that his wife was. Um, a horrible person. She was a gold digger, she was abusive and he was going to pay

Alice: and never kept the house tidy.

Bex: Oh my God. Uh, like that’s the worst thing, you know?

Alice: I dunno how she was a gold digger. ’cause didn’t Ed Edgar have no money?

Bex: No he didn’t.

Ellen: At the end, he didn’t have any money,

Bex: but he promises Tom $100,000 to kill Lizzie. And Tom was having some financial hardships, so he went, you know what? Fine deal.

Alice: And she was such an awful woman. So yes, he was like, yep, okay. Sick of living in my van, let’s do this.

Bex: But then he saw Lizzie and he knew that Edgar [01:17:00] had lied because “she was no shrew.” That’s a quote.

Ellen: And then randomly some opera starts playing in the background. And, you know, he started to feel things

Alice: he did indeed.

Ellen: He, he couldn’t walk away.

Bex: He couldn’t. No, he couldn’t walk away.

Ellen: Um, he just told her that he’d been hired to kill her.

Bex: Yes, because he, by her husband. If he had just walked away, Edgar would’ve found someone else. He needed to warn Lizzie. So then Lizzie decides that, um, that she’s going to pay Tom to kill Edgar instead.

Ellen: He was gonna kill me if I didn’t kill him first.

Bex: Yes. And uh, she had at this point had sort of told Lou that they had no money. She couldn’t believe that Edgar had the $10,000 to, to pay Tom to start with. And so Lou goes, “Well, if you guys didn’t have any money, how are you going to pay Tom to kill Edgar?” [01:18:00] And basically she fucked him. She’s like, I will sleep with you. You kill my, I will sleep with you if you’ll kill my husband.

Ellen: I mean, this guy’s pretty easy. Like first he was gonna accept like a hundred thousand dollars and then he is like, I, well you can just fuck me and then, um, I will kill your husband.

Bex: Like how good a lay is she that, you know, one night with her is worth a

Alice: a hundred thousand dollars. Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. I dunno.

Bex: I do like that she like, looks slightly embarrassed when she’s telling Lou this and she’s like, it’s not my finest hour okay? So the story that they, um, they fake Lizzie’s death, or Tom at least tells Edgar that Lizzie is dead and he does the whole, um, you know, show me her heart kind of snow white and ruby red sort of deal and Tom says, [01:19:00] well, I, I need to like show you in person that she’s dead where I’ve buried her. So he lures Tom, Tom lures Edgar out into the woods and shoots him and he falls into the empty grave.

Um, and then they leave without checking to make sure that Edgar was actually dead.

Alice: Yep. Yeah. And they just cover up. I mean, they’re not paramedics. They don’t know how to make sure that someone’s actually dead. Give them, give them a break.

Ellen: But, but maybe they don’t care because they just cover up the grave and leave.

Alice: Yeah, they assumed so they just, they probably, they just forgot to take his phone away.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Yeah. So like, I mean, obviously

Ellen: and his phone had plenty of batteries. It didn’t run out during the night

Bex: or, I mean, yeah, I guess, you know, the guy falls backwards. He’s been shot, he probably gets knocked out from the fall into the, the wooden box.

So, uh, he’s unconscious. He’s not moving, and he doesn’t move as they put the lid on, so they just assume that he’s dead. But I, I, I [01:20:00] would, I would like to think that I would, you know, at least shoot him a couple more times just to make sure I really was dead before I buried him. You know, I’m a perfectionist.

I like to make sure that like a job is done well,

Ellen: Uhhuh, I mean, if he hadn’t had his phone on him, they would never have had this problem. They wouldn’t be sitting

Alice: if anyone needs a hitman, apparently um, Bex is

Ellen: apparently Bex is up for the job. She’s got good, a good work ethic going on. Um,

Bex: we’ll talk payment terms.

Alice: Um, so I was gonna say, I don’t think Lizzie’s payment terms are gonna gonna cut it, but hey,

Bex: hey, you don’t know.

Alice: There we go.

Bex: You don’t know. Yeah.

Alice: Give it a go guys. Give it a go. Um,

Bex: um, so then they find out that, um, oops, he wasn’t actually dead and they, uh, Lizzie and Tom decide to flee. Um, and then Edgar found them and they’re still not entirely sure how Edgar found them. Um, apparently there’s an app for that is how he found [01:21:00] them. That’s the line. There is an app for that.

Ellen: Like find my friends?

Alice: Like, so Life 360? Yeah.

Bex: I dunno. Like he went, he went to the Apple, the Apple store and like app to find cheating wife and double crossing Hit man.

Alice: Yeah, I don’t like, they don’t elaborate it. They literally, he literally just says there’s an app for that. So I’m pretty sure this whole episode is just a, um, an adver advertisement for Life 360, um, which is really Find your firefighter boyfriends going to the woods. Find, um, your,

Ellen: it feels a bit like that.

Alice: Lesbian partners ex okay lover.

Bex: But if it is indeed an ad for Life 360, why the hell has Chim not found Maddie yet?

Alice: Honestly, yeah, because she turned it off. Maddie’s not stupid. Maddie has a separate brain cell to everyone else in this show. Um, and actually turned off her. Um, she doesn’t wanna be found, turned off her, her, um, [01:22:00] location settings. Fucking dumb though. Like Edgar was all over the news. You would think that they’d be like, oh fuck, he’s alive. We should probably get outta town.

Bex: Well they did get out of town. They just didn’t get very far out of town. You know, they, they,

Alice: they didn’t get very far outta town.

Bex: They were still in California.

Alice: They ran outta money for gas and apparently Lizzie’s payment methods don’t work on everyone.

Bex: Oh no. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of Chim.

Ellen: Alright, let’s go for some more wholesome, um, conversation now because Chim has gone out for a drink with Eli. Yay. Um, apparently they’ve just left Jee-Yun with, um, Eli’s wife. Yes. Yeah. Molly was excited about fussing over the baby, so excellent.

Bex: Jee-Yun was just happy to be out of her car seat.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. Um, Eli does warn that, um, that if Molly starts talking about having another baby, he’s [01:23:00] never speaking to Chim again.

Ellen: I wonder how many they’ve got the f in the first place.

Bex: I can’t remember.

Ellen: So do have a little conversation about, uh, what, what Chim is doing, driving across the country, basically.

Bex: Yeah. And Eli is once again, the voice of reason in Chim’s life because he is like, he hears Chim’s story of woe about the fact that Maddie was struggling and Chim saw it, but didn’t wanna see it. He just wanted to pretend that everything was fine so that he could go and play with the giraffes. Um, and Eli’s like, yeah, okay, you screwed up

Alice: and the alpacas

Bex: “and you’re about to screw up again. ’cause you know, uh, you’ve, from what you’ve told me. Maddie’s got this voice inside her head whispering lies right now. Um, and you are gonna show up and you’re gonna confirm every horrible thing that she’s ever thought about herself.” [01:24:00] And Chim’s like, “Well, what the fuck am I supposed, what the fuck am I supposed to do?”

Alice: Yeah. Like, basically don’t, don’t show up on her doorstep looking like a man who’s been on a month long bender. It’s like,

Ellen: gee, thanks dude.

Alice: Like you need to,

Ellen: I thought you were my friend. Yeah.

Alice: Take a breath, have a shower, shave.

Bex: No, don’t shave. He looks good with the stubble. Like he looks exhausted, but he looks good with the stubble. It’s like

Ellen: you smell like you’ve been in the car for a whole week with your baby.

Bex: Yeah. He can’t, he can’t smell good. Um, he, he, he says that, you know, pull yourself together so that you can be the Howie that she needs and Chim’s, like, “You know, no one calls me Howie anymore.” And Eli’s like, “Oh, what do they call you?”

And then they cut

Ellen: and then they cut away and we don’t get to hear it.

Bex: And once again, we never find out why he’s called Chimney.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: We are never gonna find out.

Bex: We are never gonna find out. And I kind of [01:25:00] never wanna find out, but I

Alice: Does Maddie call him Howie?

Bex: Yes. Occasionally.

Alice: Yeah,

Ellen: sometimes. Yeah.

Bex: But, um,

Alice: like, like Chim a lot of the time, but I’m like, I’m sure Maddie’s called him Howie.

Bex: I think she calls him Chim when they’re in mixed company, but when it’s just sort of them Yeah. And family. It’s, it’s Howie. Um,

Alice: yeah.

Bex: But yeah, definitely he doesn’t get Howie at work like he used to.

Alice: No.

Bex: Um

Ellen: mm-hmm.

Bex: But yes, we’re never gonna find out. I never wanna find out. But I am gonna continue pointing out every instance of the show fucking with us about Chim’s nickname.

Ellen: Yes. It’s so good though. I’m glad they do that. Keeps us guessing.

Bex: It does. Um, then we’re gonna get a extended montage set to Radiohead while Harry starts battling his inner demon called Jeffrey Hudson. Um, because basically to spite his [01:26:00] sister, I think, he does return back to Bobby and Athena’s house, but he like breaks in when no one else is there.

Ellen: Oh

Alice: yeah. It’s fucking weird

Bex: Yeah, because May had said that he’d never been back there and that he needed to confront going back there. It was important for him to go back there. And also his therapist said that he needed to go back there.

So he goes back and he sort of looks around, we get a, a quick flash of, um, the moment that he caught Jeffrey sniffing his mother’s underwear. Um. Yeah, you do. Uh, and then we see him on a bus. I don’t know where he is going, but he is on a bus, um, until a passenger gets on. Who is again, generic, mid thirties, early forties.

White guy with brown hair who could, you know, if you squinted and didn’t look closely enough, could possibly be Jeffrey Hudson, uh, which triggers [01:27:00] Harry, and he gets off the bus and in the middle of an industrial area, I think. Um, and then he continues to walk until he gets to a set of chained gates. And I thought that the housing development was like out of town. I didn’t think it was within walking distance.

Alice: I mean, he took a bus.

Bex: No, but then he got off the bus, but then he walked from like the industrial area that he got off on was kind of meant to be the, the area that Jeffrey dragged him into the car and he had that altercation with the dog walker.

Alice: It’s fine. He’s a child. He has unlimited stamina. He can walk for like miles a whole day. Yeah.

Bex: Anyway, he’s somehow walked from,

Alice: haven’t you seen Stand by Me?

Bex: No.

Alice: Oh, well then,

Bex: but he’s also that,

Alice: that’s not gonna make any sense to you, is it?

Bex: He’s also not on railway tracks. So does that apparently only work when they’re walking on railway tracks?

Alice: No, it just [01:28:00] works when they’re young boys.

Bex: Okay. So apparently he walked from wherever the bus let him off to the housing development that Jeffrey took him to so that he can return to the house that he was, um, walled up. May said under the stairs, did we? Did we establish that it was under the stairs? Like does that make sense?

Alice: I don’t even think there were stairs in, but Sure. I thought they were upstairs. I don’t know. I don’t fucking know.

Bex: Anyway.

Ellen: Uh, you need, it doesn’t, well, like it’s above something because the floor gives away and he crashes through it. I’m like, weren’t they in the middle of building this house? Like shouldn’t the floor be a bit more structurally sound?

Bex: It’s a,

Alice: maybe they stopped because of termites.

Bex: It is a cool moment though, because Harry is standing there looking at the hole in the wall that Jeffrey shoved him into and you’ve got Radiohead sort of, um, sweeping in the, as the, the music and then the music cuts out just as Harry drops.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: So it’s well done.

Ellen: It’s clever. Yeah.

Bex: Um,

Ellen: it’s dramatic.

Bex: [01:29:00] It’s very dramatic.

Alice: It is very dramatic.

Bex: But well done, dramatic.

Ellen: Thankfully, he has his phone with him still. He didn’t crush it as he fell down

Bex: and he’s still getting reception even though he is like under the house.

Alice: He is got Edgar’s phone plan.

Bex: I really wanna know what phone plan these guys are all on. ’cause it’s amazing. And thankfully he does the smart thing and calls Athena and he says, “I did something real dumb. I went back to the house where Jeffrey took me, but I hurt myself. Can you come get me?”

Alice: How funny would it have been if um, if he called 9-1-1 and May saw the number and was like, Nope. Patching that straight through. Fuck you, Harry.

Ellen: Well, he could have been like, he could have also called Bobby because like

Bex: that’s usually what he does when he gets in trouble.

Ellen: Bobby’s his go-to guy when he’s in trouble. Yeah. Yeah. But no,

Bex: he called it his mom. And mom was immediately like, I’m on my way. And what was really [01:30:00] interesting is that before the phone rang, she was having like this conversation with Lou, um, and they’re sort of walking and talking.

She stops to take this phone call, which is Harry, and Lou apparently also stops to listen in. ’cause Athena has taken this entire thing on speaker phone. And then so when Athena’s like, I’m coming, uh, like I’m on my way, she starts running for the car park and Lou starts running with her. I’m like, dude,

Alice: Athena answers and just goes, “I’m coming to the cottage” and then runs.

Bex: Ew. No,

Ellen: no, don’t spoilers. Don’t conflate those. But, but Lou’s going along too well. Yes, but separately they’re in their separate cars,

Bex: which, yes, because they both drive in separate cars to the housing development. Like why didn’t you just get in Athena’s car with her Lou?

Alice: No, they’re two independent cops. Yeah. They’re car. They don’t need no other cops.

Bex: [01:31:00] So they go in, they find Harry, um. Athena? Uh, no. Lou jumps down and despite Harry telling him that I’ve hurt my shoulder, um, he does not do any risk assessments.

He just grabs him

Ellen: by the hand

Bex: and hauls him to his feet.

Alice: Literally, I, that was the, I was like, dude, what if he broke his neck?

Bex: What if he had a head injury?

Alice: Like you? Yeah.

Bex: Like, like, what the fuck? Do at least a preliminary assessment, like, you know, is your head hurt? Does anything else hurt? Do you think you can get up? Like, no, I’m just gonna yeet you to your feet.

Ellen: He’s not a paramedic, he’s not a firefighter, you know, he’s a cop. So he’s a detective.

Alice: They should still know basic First Aid?

Bex: Yes.

Alice: I was a fucking manager and I had to do First Aid and CPR, like, come on.

Bex: Well, the other thing that I’m was like, okay, your son just called you and said that he’s in this, you know, decrepit house and he’s hurt. Why did Athena not call Bobby? [01:32:00] Yeah. And why did she not call? He’s busy for like paramedics to meet her at the site.

Alice: Yeah. I don’t know where the 118 were and they showed up in the first like emergency and then that was it.

Bex: I’m assuming that

Alice: they’re all just off doing other things,

Bex: this is one of their like 24 off because we see, like after this scene, we see Hen getting into bed with Karen. So it’s obviously nighttime. So they’re not working.

Alice: Um, yeah, Eddie’s seeing his son, Buck’s,

Bex: which, but then, but then

Alice: hanging out at his house.

Bex: But then, no, hang on without, if they’re not working, then why was nobody at the house when Harry broke in to sneak around? Where was Bobby?

Alice: Yeah. Where’s Bobby?

Ellen: Maybe he was in bed. It was the middle of the night.

Alice: Yeah, because,

Bex: no, but he went into Athena’s room,

Alice: he went into Athena’s room

Bex: and the bed was empty.

Alice: Because Buck’s hanging with Taylor, Eddie’s vanished, Hen’s fucking around with Karen, who then stormed off and went to see Eva without her noticing. [01:33:00]

Bex: Ravi was just like a back of a turncoat. Um,

Alice: Ravi just didn’t like he, he couldn’t be dealing with Buck, so he just didn’t show up this episode.

Bex: Uh, anyway, it’s weird.

So, but so they, they get, they get Harry out of the hole. Um, Harry sort of Athena’s checking him over and he sort of looks at her and goes, “oh, were you at work?” Like. No, she’s was in the middle of some kinky role play with her husband. What do you think? Um,

Ellen: hey, we have established that happens.

Bex: We’ve established that happens. Yes,

Ellen: but, but in this case, she was at work.

Bex: No, this, yeah. No, but the, but in this case it’s Athena saying “Yes, but that doesn’t matter. You always come first.” Which is her trying to work against the narrative that Jeffrey was instilling in Harry, that his mother was always going to be a cop first, mother second.

And this is Athena showing, [01:34:00] not just telling, but showing Harry that she will be a mother first if he ever needs her again. Not the first time, but definitely the second time. Maybe the third time too. We don’t know.

Ellen: Yes.

Bex: Depends what happens the next time.

Ellen: Alright, so Harry is, now Harry has now faced his ghosts and um,

Alice: like luckily the case was already wrapped up and it was Lou’s, so Athena was wide open.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so Karen has, um,

Bex: created fire hazard

Ellen: set up the bedroom, speaking of kinky for role play. Um, and it’s not really that kinky, but it’s a bit like firefighter play because there’s candles all over the room.

Bex: Hen walks in is like, what the fuck have you done?

Ellen: But she’s got a fire extinguisher under the bed.

Bex: Yes, I did like that. Like she’s acknowledged, like I’m trying to be romantic, but I am also the wife of a firefighter. I do realize that this is a massive fire [01:35:00] hazard and I have taken precautions.

Ellen: Yes.

Alice: It’s like the episode of friends where Phoebe’s dating a firefighter and then she takes the other guy that she’s dating and does like a romantic picnic by candlelight in the woods. And he is, and the the firefighter dumps her because she’s like, I can’t believe you had an open flame in the woods. Karen’s like, I’m trying to be romantic. And Hen’s like, why is that fire here? You know, that I have issues with fire.

Ellen: Don’t bring my work into the bedroom.

Alice: We promised we wouldn’t bring work home anymore,

Ellen: but no. Um, Karen has done something far worse than that. Um, went and spoke to Eva behind Hen’s back. Karen was the one who could not let her go.

Bex: Yeah. She says that she, the line is, talking to Eva made her realize that she, she, as in Eva, has [01:36:00] always been this shadow hanging between us. And I’m going, guys, you’ve been talking about ghosts or fucking episode. Why did you not use the word ghosts here?

Alice: Yeah. It’s, yeah.

Bex: You’ve, you’ve missed a prime opportunity to ram the theme down our throat even harder.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: So, yeah. Yada, yada, Karen, insecurity, yada yada. I only love you, yada, yada. Sexy times, but not really sexy times. ’cause apparently like we only wanna see queer men apparently having sex. Not queer women

Alice: Cut to black.

Ellen: We can’t see women kissing on screen. That’s not allowed.

Alice: Oh, disgusting. Yeah.

Bex: Um, so instead we’re gonna cut to

Alice: for legal reasons that was a joke. Yeah.

Bex: So we can’t see the, uh, the queer women in bed. So we’re gonna see the straight couple in bed. Um, except it’s not what Buck was hoping, because he walks out of wherever he’s just walked out of. Is there an en suite up in the [01:37:00] loft bedroom or was he

Alice: Yes.

Bex: Yes? Okay. So I’m gonna assume he is walked out of the en suite, um, expecting sexy times. But Taylor’s got her laptop open and she’s working in bed. But not the way Lizzie works in bed, like actually working in bed on her computer.

Alice: We know how, we know how Taylor gets her on her exclusives from Buck.

Ellen: Oh dear. Um, but Buck is mad at her.

Bex: He’s so pissy.

Ellen: Because reporting the news, when does reporting the news include randomly confronting a killer?

Bex: And the irony of this episode and that line after the, um, “Brawl in Cellblock 9-1-1”, he just, he does, he does acknowledge the hypocrisy. He’s like, you know, pot kettle, both of us run and, you know, risk our lives on a daily basis. But why you, the risks that you take are [01:38:00] far less worthy than the risks that I take.

Alice: Sure.

Ellen: And how is it worth your time? Um,

Alice: but yeah, Taylor says, “The truth is worth everything, Buck everything.” And Buck’s like, “What does that mean?” And she’s like, “I don’t know.”

Bex: She’s like, “I guess unsolved mysteries just never sat right with me.” and you can almost hear…

Alice: She got really into that TV show as a kid,

Ellen: she’s very like, upset about this. It’s like, oh, okay.

Bex: Because that, you know, that, that wasn’t important at all. That was not foreshadowing at all. And I don’t know what those shadows are in the foreground, but it, they, they, they mean nothing.

Alice: Yeah, its fine. Don’t, don’t look at the shadows.

Ellen: Ow we get too late, like in this episode, because later we actually get a shot of her looking really upset about whatever release she’s upset about.

Bex: The foreshadowings. Not that, well, not that long. But it’s, it’s there.

Ellen: It doesn’t, it doesn’t take long to get to actual information. But anyway.

Bex: No, the, here comes the airplane. [01:39:00] Um, yeah. So we go back to, um, house of Harry’s bad ideas, and we get, the reason that Lou tagged along with Athena’s, um, race to Harry is so that the, the two victims of Jeffrey can have a heart to heart.

Ellen: Yeah, it is kind of sweet though.

Bex: Yeah,

Alice: I guess

Ellen: In like a traumatic kind of way. Um, yeah, because apparently Lou also sees Jeffrey when he like closes his eyes.

Alice: Apparently Lou also needs a therapist.

Bex: Yeah. But I think it’s good for Harry. ’cause he’s like, you know, this guy came into my house, he’s feeling violated. And Jeffrey’s like, “Bitch, he was in my house. He drove my car, he wore my clothes, he ate my food.”

Alice: Yep.

Bex: Yeah. And Harry’s like, okay, cool, we’re in this together. Um, you know, I wish I could just forget, maybe then I could move on. And Lou’s, like, “You know what, um, I’ve spoken to a [01:40:00] lot of survivors and you never really move on.”

Ellen: Yeah. Sorry to tell you kid.

Bex: Yeah, you move forward, but the trauma is going to follow you and you just learn to live with the trauma.

Um, interestingly, as Lou is saying this to Harry, we cut back to Taylor who is still in bed. Beck is fast asleep next to her, but she’s almost crying as she’s reading a incredibly badly written news article. And I’m assuming she’s crying about how badly written it is. ’cause like I, I feel, I feel, I feel sorry.

Alice: This is why she became a journalist, because she read this article and she’s just like, fuck this shit. This is awfully written. I’m gonna do better.

Bex: I know that whoever put together this, this, like, whatever, this, the specific thing is where you like. Make a prop for set and they’ve just gone. Nobody is going to like zoom in and pause the episode and read what I’ve written. We say like,

Alice: it’s [01:41:00] amazing that it didn’t say,

Bex: we just gonna put words on the screen that kind of look official. It doesn’t matter if it’s well written ’cause it’s not well written.

Alice: Yeah. It’s amazing that it doesn’t just say “Dr. Patrick Martin. Lorem ipsum, lorem ipsum, lorem ipsum, lorem ipsum

Bex: Yes! Um, but no. Um, so the, uh, the article is Local Doctor Proclaims Innocence after a murder conviction. And it goes on to say that, um, Dr. Patrick Martin’s wife died from overdose of sleeping pills and he was charged with murdering his wife and he proclaims his innocence. And something about that,

Ellen: And he was sentence to 25 years in prison

Alice: is incr not me, right now going, what’s Taylor Kelly’s surname?

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Interesting, isn’t it?

Ellen: I, huh. Like, it’s not Martin

Bex: or is it?

Ellen: But Yeah.

Bex: Um, but yeah, she finds this story, I’m assuming the content, not my glibness about the writing, um, incredibly upsetting.

Alice: No, she’s finding the [01:42:00] writing incredibly upsetting. It’s, it’s just awful.

Bex: Um, we cut back to Lou, Lou and Harry and Harry saying, you know, I thought if I came back here and I confronted him, then you know, I could just stop thinking about him and lose, like, you know, that’s really brave to confront what scares you.

And then we cut back to Karen and Hen, which is kind of reinforcing that Karen was being brave for confronting Eva and um

Alice: Sure.

Bex: And Harry says, you know, cool on the bravery, but I just wanna be normal. And i’s like, yeah, you’ll be, because that ghost, everybody take a shot. Um, can’t hurt you anymore unless you let it,

Alice: oh, we mentioned ghosts again.

Bex: Yeah. And then he says, “look, it could be worse. You could have a massive scar on your throat. People look at me like I’m the walking dead.” And Harry like literally sort of peers at Lou’s throat gets up really close to it and goes, yeah, it’s gross.

Ellen: Like it’s gross.

Alice: Thanks Harry. Jesus’.

Ellen: Like [01:43:00] absolute the truth that comes out of like 12 year olds mouths, you know?

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: It’s the most realistic thing he’s said this entire episode.

Bex: Pretty much. Yeah. Um, thankfully he’s saved by his mother coming in, um, and telling him that they’re gonna take him to get x-rays and then she’s gonna take him home. And by home she mean he means, um, her home, his home, the Bathena residence.

She, he doesn’t wanna go back to Michael’s. He wants to go back home.

Alice: Yep.

Bex: And when they do arrive back, I’m thinking the next morning, ’cause it’s, or sometime the next day, um, May and Bobby, Bobby’s popped up from wherever he disappeared to. Um, and Michael are out the back and they welcome Harry home. And he says,

Ellen: yeah, the sun’s shining. And it’s like looking bright,

Bex: birds are singing, everything’s [01:44:00] bright. Yeah, it’s beautiful. And Harry says, “Why don’t we have a cookout while I tell you what happened to me?”

Ellen: And they all have a big hug and it’s like. Oh, my two dads and my mom,

Bex: my trauma has been resolved and we shall never speak of it again. Literally.

Alice: Literally. Yep. That’s it. Yep.

Ellen: Oh, that’s it?

Alice: That’s it.

Ellen: Okay.

Alice: Door is closed. We’ve finally closed the door on Jeffrey Fuckface.

Ellen: Thank God for that.

Bex: Yeah,

Alice: I know, right?

Bex: I mean, like, yes. I, I, as I’ve said, I like that they didn’t just, you know, shove this under a rug somewhere. They’ve actually allowed us to see this child.

Alice: We just don’t care about Jeffrey.

Bex: We really just don’t care about Jeffrey. I, I sort of care about Harry, but I really don’t care about Jeffrey.

Alice: Yeah. Pretty much.

Ellen: Oh, okay.

Bex: We made it to the end.

Alice: Thank god, because one of my friends just started rewatching Heated Rivalry. She’s like, “I kept putting things on, and [01:45:00] I’m like, no, this is no good. What I wanna watch, who am I kidding?” And then she just sent me a photo of her screen with Shane riding the exercise bike

Ellen: exactly what I have done this week as well. Yeah. Anyway, let’s finish this first before we go back to talking about that. I mean, it, I, it was an entirely unmemorable episode, but I guess, um, we’ve,

Alice: it was very filler. Like, it just, it bridged a gap, I guess.

Ellen: Yeah, it was, yeah. And it, it closed off a few,

Alice: it was an episode,

Ellen: like it closed off a few of the, the lingering kind of storylines that we’ve had. I hope so. Something new for next week maybe, or we just,

Bex: yeah. So, oh yeah, this is a good one. Next week, like the episode’s not good, but. What we’re gonna talk about next week is, is very good. Um,

Alice: oh, it’s this episode. I remember this one. Yes. Hey.

Bex: Um, so next week Bobby and the 118 raced to save lives after an explosion rocks the [01:46:00] hospital where Dr. David Hale is performing surgery. Meanwhile, Michael makes a life-changing decision and what a decision it is. Okay. It’s great. I cannot wait to tell you about this.

Alice: It’s so, yeah. This episode’s actually really good. I’m actually excited finally, to watch 9-1-1 again

Ellen: Okay.

Bex: Uh, trigger warnings for anybody who hasn’t seen this episode before. Uh, we have, um, a cancer ward and discussions of cancer. We have an explosion slash fire in a hospital, um, people and children at threat because of said fire and explosion in hospital.

Um, we have a patient death and. Uh, Nikki is promising that none of those patients are children and there is the, um, depiction of brain surgery.

Ellen: Oh, cool. Alright. What, how anything else to say about this episode?

Bex: No,

Alice: I’m glad we don’t have to [01:47:00] talk about it anymore. Um, no. Like it was, it was a finer, it just nothing really.

Ellen: There were parts of it that were really well put together, like the cutting back and forth with the talking. Okay. I can see why you enjoyed that part.

Bex: Mm.

Ellen: Although I would’ve like, I mean, I don’t, I’m glad they didn’t like follow them around doing an investigation in a way because we skipped all that with just telling us what happened. ’cause that’s kind of boring to watch that stuff.

Bex: I still think they could, could have.

Ellen: ’cause it’s not a cop show.

Bex: Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s, that’s the, we they could have done it. They’ve done something similar when we were watching Athena, um, investigate the, or try and track down the guy who shot, um, Emmett.

We sort of did the like the cutting backwards.

Alice: It’s funny because,

Bex: but like you said, this isn’t a cop show. We’re not here to,

Alice: we complain when they’re being a cop show and then we are complaining when they’re not being like, I just wish that, like, I don’t care about the inve. Like I would’ve been happy with another Taylor and Buck try and figure something out while the cops are just sort of in the background.[01:48:00]

Like it was weird that they tried to split it, but not really do either.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean it was kind of funny that they both came to the half a conclusion.

Bex: Yeah. Again,

Ellen: but it’s just kind of making the cops look incompetent.

Alice: Yeah. I mean, good

Ellen: because Taylor is just so great.

Bex: Like we said, they, if perhaps if they’d set up the animosity between Taylor and Lou, um, them going to head to head trying to solve a case would’ve had more impact, but they just dropped it in this episode. Um, so it didn’t really work.

Alice: It was definitely an episode that I was glad that I was binging this season. Like I’m glad that I watched. The previous one then watch this, and then just went straight onto the next one. Because it’s like, as I said, I don’t remember this episode. Like it didn’t, nothing in it stood out to me.

Um, there like, because I went straight onto the next one, which is a good episode, so I didn’t care. But if I was watching week by week, I would’ve just been really annoyed by this episode because I would’ve been like, like I would’ve just felt like something was [01:49:00] missing.

Bex: What was missing was a fucking theme.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: I think that’s what annoys me the most about this episode is that they’ve got, like, they’ve called it “Ghost Stories”, and they’re trying hard to try and link all of these disparate storylines together under one unifying theme, which we’ve seen them do in the past. And sometimes they do it really well, and sometimes they do it really badly. This one, they just failed to link them.

Alice: Yeah. I don’t really,

Bex: and I don’t know whether it’s because. They were trying to go for everyone is being haunted, but we can’t call it haunted ’cause we already have an episode called “Haunted”. So we need to find some other kind of word

Alice: and like, maybe it would’ve made more sense with the other storyline that they cut.

Bex: Yeah. If they’d had the ghost, uh, roommate because

Alice: the roommate ghost,

Bex: yeah.

One of the, one of the things that makes it difficult to link all of the storylines together is Edgar’s storyline. ’cause there’s really nothing about being haunted or ghosts in that storyline. It’s

Alice: No, you don’t understand.

Bex: It’s almost like it doesn’t [01:50:00] belong in this episode.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: The only, the, the thing at the end with Taylor kind of foreshadows that it, that she belongs in this episode, but the, the Edgar stuff doesn’t. It’s just, if you, if you’re going to,

Ellen: Yeah, it’s weird.

Bex: If you’re gonna go to the effort to have a theme,

Alice: it’s disjointed

Bex: episode, then at least try and make sure all of your storylines fit the theme.

Ellen: And it’s like they had the theme, but they, they got the wrong title.

Bex: Look, I know titles are hard. My God kind, coming up with titles is fucking hard. But these are p

Alice: Yeah. Um, you write fan fiction, just p put your playlist on shuffle and pick a random line in whatever song comes up. Come on.

Bex: Okay. Uh, bold of you to assume that I have playlists. I’m not a playlist writer. Um, but that, see, the thing is that these people are like paid to be creative. So I would assume that they would be able to come up with like a better title than “Ghost Stories” for this episode. That’s my bugbear.

Alice: I was just checking who it was written by and it was the person who [01:51:00] did “There Goes the Neighborhood”. So it’s like they tried to do, wait, which one’s? “There Goes the Neighborhood”. Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong one. Is it the locked gate mystery one? No. Uh, yes. No,

Bex: no. That’s “9-1-1. What’s your grievance?” There goes the neighborhood is the turkey one.

Alice: What?

Bex: Um, and I think it’s the guy who’s gonna jump off the roof. It’s like everybody having issues with their neighbors. Possibly the one with Buck and Veronica. It was,

Alice: no, it was the one with Bobby and Michael and the rear window.

Bex: Yes.

Alice: That was an excellent episode. What were they doing?

Bex: I dunno, again, makes me wonder what goes on in the writer’s room that they decide whose name goes on as written by, and

Alice: I mean, it was directed by, you know, our favorite.

Bex: No, it wasn’t. That’s not Rydell. That’s Windell.

Alice: Oh, then I have no idea. Yeah. Oh, it’s too, yeah. Okay. I have no idea.

Bex: We apologize Kristin Windell

Alice: what they’re doing.

Ellen: No, no, no. I think the, [01:52:00] I think the directing was pretty good. That’s what made the cutting back and forth and everything work.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Was good directing.

Alice: But yeah, I don’t, I dunno what went wrong with this episode. I think they just had too much to tie up and they were getting close to the mid-season finale, so they just had to tie it up.

Bex: Okay. But no.

Ellen: Yeah, maybe,

Bex: but the only thing that they really had to tie up was Harry. They’ve continued the Chim storylines. They haven’t tied that one up. They didn’t need to go down the Hen and Eva route.

Alice: No true, I don’t know why

Bex: the Taylor storyline is introducing a new plot point, not tying up an old one.

Alice: Yeah, I’ve I have no fucking idea what they were doing here.

Ellen: It’s just an in-between

Alice: ’cause. Yeah. I really like, we, we loved, “There Goes the Neighborhood”.

Bex: Yeah. Anyway,

Ellen: I don’t know.

Bex: This one will not make it on, I don’t think this one will make it on my worst episodes of season five, but it’s definitely not going anywhere near the best episodes of Season five

Alice: It’s just mid.

Bex: It’s just forgettable.

Alice: Yeah, it’s just mid. Yeah.

Ellen: Please do tell us [01:53:00] what you thought about this episode.

Alice: Yeah, please give us something to like about this episode. I’m sorry if it’s your favorite ever episode, but um, like we didn’t hate it. We just didn’t really have an opinion of it.

It was an episode.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Yeah, I’ll go with that.

Alice: Wasn’t bad. Wasn’t good. It was an episode.

Bex: Like I’m not sitting here tearing my hair out about how horrible and my soapbox has been put away. Um, but yeah,

Alice: it was just mid.

Bex: Anyway, bring on next week.

Alice: Maybe they should have just called it mid stories.

Bex: Bring on next week. I’m excited about next week.

Ellen: Bring on next week.

Alice: Yeah, next week’s really good. Which again, like I, you know, when I was binging the show, there’s a reason that I did not remember any of this because it went straight into next week’s, which is great. And it we’ll rewatch it and we’ll be like, that episode was so, shit. What the fuck?

Bex: The episode is good and it comes with piping hot tea as well, which I’m very happy to sit. It does.

Ellen: Oh

Alice: yes, yes.

Ellen: Okay, great.

Bex: I’m so excited to share the tea ’cause it’s hilarious. [01:54:00]

Ellen: Well, um, let us know your thoughts by leaving us a comment. Actually, by the way, I have to, I know this is the end of the episode instead of the beginning, but, um, thank you so much Pigeon for all of your comments this week. They’re gradually catching up.

Bex: You when you finally catch up to season five and here.

Ellen: Yeah, I think they’re in season four now, so eventually they’ll get to this point and we’ll be like, thank you. Um, yes, and please go and comment either on the episodes post on thatweewooshow.com or in Spotify or on YouTube as well, um, or on social media.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: And thank you for listening this week, and we will talk to you next week about episode eight called “Defend in Place”. See you then.

Bex: Bye

Alice: bye.

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Bex: While Lou questions him about, uh, the

Alice: But I was gonna ask you

Bex: no. You don’t get to ask me,

Ellen: don’t start that again

Alice: Will you come to the cottage this summer?

Bex: No,

Ellen: don’t go to Russia,

Bex: Edgar just

Alice: Don’t go to Russia.

Ellen: Come to my house

Bex: Edgar’s like, wait, why? Why are you asking me to go to the cottage? What cottage I just got carjacked.

Alice: We’ll have so much fun.

Bex: I’m traumatized.

Ellen: I did not notice this whispering that Ilya does either. So I’m gonna have to go back and watch that scene again. Thank you.

Alice: Oh no, what a shame.

Bex: The “Oh my god”? When Shane slams him against the wall?

Alice: No, the “more”, [01:56:00] but the Oh my God’s good too.

Ellen: Yeah, that is good. I saw that one. That’s great. Actually in the book, because we get like it, it feels like the TV show is more told from Shane’s point of view. So in the book, because you get Ilya’s point of view, you get a lot more of him just being like shocked at what Shane will actually do.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: Did you, um, hear anything or see anything about the interview that Francois did?

Ellen: No.

Bex: About the epi, like five episodes before they’re allowed to kiss?

Alice: Oh yeah, I saw that part.

Bex: So Francois was saying that, um, Jacob did shop the, the show around to American networks and American streamers, and one of their notes was that they wouldn’t be allowed to kiss until episode five.

Ellen: Yeah. I don’t think that those people actually know about romance, like, you know, read the book or know anything about romance books.

Bex: What the hell would they have done [01:57:00] for four episodes that they weren’t allowed?

Ellen: Played hockey for four?

Alice: Yeah. Like, actually played hockey?

Ellen: Just like glared at each other? Like I

Alice: slammed each other against walls and then left? Like,

Ellen: yeah. No kissing

Bex: it, it just would not have made sense.

Alice: Sure. Every episode, Shane would just be like, we didn’t even kiss with sad faces.

Bex: Oh, that would’ve been the workaround. It’s like, okay, they’re gonna fuck from episode one onwards, but they’re not gonna kiss till episode five,

Ellen: but no kissing.

Alice: They’re not gonna kiss.