Season 3 Wrap

Welcome to That Weewoo Show: a podcast where Alice, Bex and Ellen watch and discuss every episode of ABC’s TV show, 9-1-1.

In this episode we break down and discuss the whole of Season 3.

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Our intro music is “Tensions” by Northern Points.

Top nonsensical 9-1-1 calls for season 3 (which is your favourite?):

• 3×17 – Sophie’s Mum: Mom: I’ve lost my daughter! I’ve lost Sophie…. She’s flying away! 
• 3×16 – Host Chef: My chef’s been creamed!
• 3×13 – Girl: The bowling balls are bleeding!
• 3×11 – Mom: Stefan’s gone!  / Miles: Yeah, I’m at the lunch counter on Vine, he just….he can’t talk! I don’t think he can breathe!
• 3×10 – Caller: I’m blue!
  • Dispatcher: Feeling of sadness and depression are common during the holidays, let me direct you to the mental health hotline
  • Woman: No, dammit, I’m literally blue!
• 3×09 – Mrs. U: The sky is falling!
• 3×08 – Caller: The robots, they’re attacking!
• 3×06 – Caller (Ms Beckerson?): The birds, they’re going crazy! They’re attacking the children!
• 3×05 – Owner: yeah, we got a bunch of idiots here about to be dead ducks!

Mentioned in the episode:

• Author Jason K Pargin’s tiktok/reel about plot holes and story enjoyment: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZShTbAJSf/
• Buzzfeed’s thirst tweets with Oliver and Ryan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4r0r9_twIo
• Oliver and the kitchen scene: https://vt.tiktok.com/ZShTgqdbn/
• BareNaked – song by Jennifer Love Hewitt: https://open.spotify.com/track/5njdVzhNvMNIK5Opyu4gLJ?si=3126f2e263f94b09
• “For the Drama” sticker on Redbubble: https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/For-the-Drama-by-PrintsByAlice/170745866.EJUG5

Episode Transcript

Maddie: [00:00:00] 9-1-1. What’s your emergency?

Bex: Welcome back to That Weewoo Show, a podcast where we watch and discuss episodes of the ABC show, 9-1-1. I’m Bex.

Alice: I’m Alice.

Ellen: And I’m Ellen.

Bex: As always, thank you to everyone who has listened to our episodes, who has rated us on their podcast episode listening platform of choice.

And for those of you who have left comments on either our various episodes on YouTube or Spotify, or who have tagged us in comments on any of our social media platforms, thank you very much for letting us know that there are people out there listening to us. And it’s not just the three of us sitting in our various living rooms talking into the [00:01:00] void.

As we’ve said before, you, we’ll quite happily talk into the void, but it’s nice to know that sometimes the void talks back to us.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Um,

Alice: we, we do love being spoken to by the void.

Bex: Yes. We’ve had some comments on the last couple of episodes of season three.

Ellen: Oh

Bex: yes. If I can find them. Okay, so from, uh, Celtic Witch (Celticwelsh) on YouTube, who, uh, Celtic, I think you are the only person who is watching or listening to us on YouTube.

So thank you very much for being the one who’s keeping us alive on that platform. They left a comment on “Powerless” that said, I actually really liked the HenRen subplot in this episode, which is the Karen thinks Hen is cheating. Hen is actually just talking to someone about taking her MCATs. They said, I never hated the Hen cheating storyline to begin with.

And it felt like a realistic way to show how that sort of thing can have longer term [00:02:00] effects on a relationship. And Celtic Welsh also left us a comment on YouTube about “What’s Next”. Um, and I’m just gonna read it out verbatim. It’s, it’s a long one, but it’s a good one. And it says, I do wonder if they brought Abby back because of audience reaction to her ghosting back in season two.

She went from a well-liked character to a somewhat disliked character because of that writing choice. And so I wonder if bringing her back was to have Buck seen to not be mad at her so the audience also would not be mad at her anymore. The degree to which that worked will vary. I know, I know people who love her and wanted to come back, and those who hate her and hate that buck didn’t really defend his own side as much.

It’s been a while since I watched this episode, but I think I enjoyed it more than you guys. Yeah. Okay. Uh, we did have a very, um, very strong reaction to this [00:03:00] episode. Um, the only bit I really remember is the train rescue, and I liked the dynamic on the train with Buck, wanting to save both passengers and Bobby and Eddie being exasperated with him.

That would be the infamous Abby. It’s his fiance’s Abby line. And I enjoyed Hen and Chin with the poor decapitated boy, although it’s horrifying to think about. It’s a horrifying thing to think about.

Alice: Absolutely horrifying to think about.

Ellen: Yes. Yes. Yeah. It’s funny how, um, they say that they enjoyed it more than we did.

It’s like, um, like I didn’t mind, I didn’t hate that episode, honestly. Like I, the only, like on the first watch show, I thought it was really exciting and, you know, a bit now biting and everything. It wasn’t until we started talking about it and. You started pointing out the things that

Bex: Yeah, it’s me. It was,

Ellen: and then I was like,

Bex: It’s 100 percent [00:04:00] me just,

Ellen: yeah. Okay. It’s kind of weird.

Alice: It, it is one of those episodes that like, you watch and you’re like, oh yeah, this is fine. And then when you actually break it down and think about it logically, you’re like, oh,

Ellen: Yeah. So I, okay, so I saw this, video from Jason K Pargin, who is an, uh, an author who posts on, I think he’s on TikTok, but he po I I always see him in reels on Facebook. He just keeps popping up.

Alice: Yeah, we’re old guys. We, um,

Ellen: yeah. Yeah. I don’t, I don’t have TikTok, but for some reason I still look at Facebook. I don’t know why it’s, it’s a cesspit, honestly. Anyway,

Alice: I do the same thing, but anyway,

Ellen: you know, yes.

Bex: It’s worse than Twitter, honestly.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah. It’s shit. But it’s a good way to keep in touch with people who I don’t see all the time.

But anyway, um, yeah. Okay. I just aged myself there. Um, anyway, this guy. He often has pretty good, um, opinions on stuff which are entertaining. But he was, in this video, he was talking about Star Wars in particular and how people don’t notice potholes. Like there are some people who always notice potholes and [00:05:00] complain about them, but there are a lot of people who just don’t even notice them because they’re enjoying the storytelling so much that they just, that they’re willing to like, throw out things that are annoying them because they’re enjoying the story anyway.

And I, I guess it, it feels a bit like that when you first watch something on a surface level, you could be really enjoying it, but if you start noticing things behind the actual story itself, like technical things or whatever. Then the storytelling is not up to scratch, you know, the, the storyteller isn’t doing their job properly.

Alice: Yeah. When we’re watching it to vibe, then it’s fine, but when we’re actually trying to be critical of it, we’re like, oh, this isn’t good.

Ellen: Yeah, that’s right. So when we are watching it, we can be enjoying it and, but then once you start looking at it more critically, it. Sometimes the wheels start to fall off a bit. And we do promise everybody. We do actually really love watching the show.

Alice: We do. We miss it when we haven’t watched it.

Bex: To be fair though. And it, uh, [00:06:00] the point of the author was that if the storyteller has done their job properly and they’re hitting the correct emotional beats, you are either not gonna notice or you’re not going to care about the logical fallacies within the story or the massive plot holes because you are enjoying the storyline too much.

There are still episodes of this show that I have like ripped to absolute pieces and I still love them and I will still enjoy them every time I watch them even knowing the massive potholes.

Ellen: Absolutely.

Alice: Look, when we get to my favorite episode later in the season, I’ll be like, no is allowed to say a bad word. We just have to live off the vibes. Um,

Ellen: I mean, we went through the entirety of Supernatural.

Alice: On vibes? Yeah,

Ellen: like loving it, but oh my God, it’s just one big plot hole. So

Alice: The good Supernatural is the Supernatural that lives in our heads. And the good Supernatural is

Bex: and in fanfiction,

Alice: the friends we made along the way.

Ellen: Absolutely. Same goes for 9-1-1.

Bex: So yes, Celticwelsh it’s [00:07:00] understandable that you enjoyed, uh, “What’s Next?” More than, uh, we did because you did not have me sitting over your shoulder going, um, well actually, um, every five minutes. Um,

but once again, uh, thank you for, uh, basically propping up our YouTube channel. Um, we, we do really appreciate your comments. Um, I always enjoy going into the notifications to see what you’ve thought of our latest episode.

And on Spotify, we got probably my favorite comment ever from imakestuff which says, the show mentioned Abby so much, they basically summoned her like Bloody Mary.

Ellen: Yes. Thank you. Thank you to both of those people.

Um, we can talk more about the HenRen stuff later when we’re discussing that kind of arc, but yeah, thank you for your comments.

Alice: It’s always interesting to see what other people take out of storylines. Yeah. Or [00:08:00] like take from storylines.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean, everyone’s got their own perspectives on things, right?

Bex: Yes. We are not a, we are not a monolith as an audience. Everyone brings their own perspectives and life experiences. Yeah. And likes and dislikes to the show and, and takes different things away from all the episodes, which is good because otherwise I think the show would be incredibly boring if it was just, if everybody liked everything all the time.

Alice: Yeah. Not only the show, the world would be very boring if everyone saw everything the same

Bex: discussions about everything would be the same. Like you are like, what do you think about this? Oh yeah, I agree. I really, oh yeah, I agree too. Yeah. All right. What do we do now?

Ellen: Sometimes it feels like we do that, but we try. We try to bring our own opinions.

Bex: Okay. Speaking of opinions, shall we dive in for season three and what we thought about it?

Ellen: Yeah, so this episode is our season three wrap up. I [00:09:00] can’t believe we’ve made it through three whole seasons. It’s amazing.

Alice: I’m so excited that we’re finally about to hit season four.

Bex: But I, I feel like you say that at the beginning of every, you’re like, I’m so, I’m so happy we’re finally about to hit season three, and now you’re so happy. You finally, you’re pretty much gonna be happy we hit every,

Alice: no, we’ll get to the end of season five and I’ll be like, do we have to, can we just go back to season four?

Bex: Um, like I’m, I’m regretting that we’re up to season six.

Alice: Yeah. Um, no. So season four is where I started like, paying attention to the show. Like, I didn’t watch it, like watch full episodes, but I watched clips and stuff like through Twitter.

Ellen: Right.

Alice: And yet, like my favorite episode of the entire show is in season four. So,

Bex: okay. We’re gonna get through season three first.

Alice: We’re very excited. We do. We do.

Bex: Um, so I think we should start by asking you, Ellen, um, what you thought of season three. Since this is your first time through

Ellen: Oh God, okay

watching this season. Yeah, we, I’m gonna be putting you on the [00:10:00] spot a lot, so Yeah, that’s, you’ll be prepared.

Ellen: Just throw me under the bus right away. Um,

Bex: no, not under the bus.

Alice: Should we go through what, what Ellen thought, thought was coming up first and then

Bex: Well, I thought we’d, we’d start with what did you, what do you think? And then we’ll compare it back to what you thought was gonna happen.

Ellen: Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, I was thinking about this earlier today actually, that looking at the, um, the whole season overall, like when we consider whole seasons of Supernatural, we can sort of say, okay, that was the season where they had, like, where Dean had the Mark of Cain and this is the season where they had to deal with Amara or whatever, you know, like there, there was an overarching thing for the whole season.

Whereas 9-1-1 doesn’t really seem to do that so much. So you kind of have to consider groups of episodes. So we had like the tsunami bit and then we had the, the bit where Maddie was stalking her caller. And then there was different kind of overlapping little sections. Overall, I think I really liked this season.

I thought it was like [00:11:00] we, we had a lot of growth in all of the characters and you know, the, in general, the, um, the emergencies were exciting and I, I, I enjoyed watching the whole thing. But overall it, it’s hard to make an overall kind of comments about the whole thing since it was so varied all the way through.

Bex: Well, that’s fair enough.

Ellen: Does that make sense?

Bex: Yes. Yeah, it does make sense. I do agree that in a lot of, um, television shows, you can define a season by, its, its storyline arc, like especially, what else was I thinking? Kind of Buffy was one that you could do that as well. This was the Angel season. This was the college season.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They often have like some big bad, like a boss who they’re about to defeat by the end of it. Yeah. It’s a

Bex: Yeah, a specific big bad for each season.

Ellen: Yeah. Like in a real, in a real life kind of format you don’t really have that. It’s just the world is the boss every time.

Alice: Yeah. They don’t have to defeat the tsunami. They just have to deal with it. [00:12:00] Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. That’s right.

Bex: I mean, that, that is one way that we do define 9-1-1 is by the, the big emergency for that season, but there, that emergency doesn’t define the whole season. So like season three is the tsunami season, but that’s only sort of two or three episodes, right?

Ellen: Yep.

Bex: So the, in the season two wrap up, we asked Ellen what she thought was going to be coming up in season three. And this is what she said. She said that, uh. Buck is gonna go back to work as a firefighter. That’s an obvious one. So you were right about that. Congratulations.

Alice: Correct, tick.

Bex: Suspect that the, uh, Hen and Karen adding to potent, uh, potentially adding to their family may end up being a point of tension.

I don’t get that impression from the chat. It’s a bit of a tense discussion kind. So kind of called that one. We had the, the infertility storyline that played out for Karen and Hen. [00:13:00]

Ellen: Mm-hmm. Go Me!

Bex: Uh, Chim and Maddie. I know they’re together forever. They’re wonderful. I love them. So yeah. For them. I’m assuming they’ll be more ups and downs with them though, but they’re great. I’m glad they decided to give it another go. Yes. Yeah. Um,

Alice: yeah, they did have ups and downs. ’cause there was the whole like, stalking thing.

Bex: There was the stalking thing. There was the, the ignition of their relationship culminating in Chim, offering her a draw. And then like the, the ultimate up being that they’re gonna have a baby.

Alice: Yeah, they’re pregnant.

Bex: And then the last bit was, who did I leave out, Eddie? I don’t know. I don’t know what Eddie’s doing. I don’t think Eddie knows what he’s doing,

Alice: which, yeah. Fight club

Ellen: Which is still, still current. Yes.

Bex: So well done. I think that was a good guess at what was gonna happen in this season.

Ellen: Okay, good. Go me

And moving forward, I’m not entirely sure what’s gonna happen for season [00:14:00] four, except that there’s gonna be a lot of Buddie involved apparently.

Bex: Well see. I was at the end of this. I was gonna ask you, oh, I was gonna ask you like, what do you think is gonna happen in season four? Except I kind of can’t because you’ve already seen the first episode of season four.

So you know the answers to a lot of the questions that I was gonna ask, ask you.

Ellen: So full disclosure, I do. I, I did, I have watched the first two episodes of season four already,

Bex: like was gonna ask,

Ellen: which I didn’t want to do before now, but, um, I, I got sort of forced into it and I’m not mad about it, but, uh, because I was missing, I was missing the show.

I’m like, oh, I need, I need to watch an episode. And it was really nice to go back to it after a couple weeks. Yeah. Um,

Bex: so I was gonna ask you things like, you know, what do you think is gonna happen with May’s storyline? What do you think is gonna happen with Athena’s storyline? Yeah. And you know, what’s gonna happen with their storylines now.

Ellen: No, I mean, I kind of guessed because, um, because she does, you know, say to Maddie, like, actually when, when Maddie asked her about going to uni and she’s like, “Well actually I had something I wanted to ask you.” I’m [00:15:00] like, oh, she’s gonna go to the 9-1-1 dispatch. And

Bex: okay,

Ellen: sure enough.

Bex: See, but that’s not a guess anymore. ’cause you know that’s what happens.

Ellen: I know that’s what happens, but I did, I did guess that that might be coming.

Bex: Yes, well done you then for guessing that like, I mean, it was telegraphed so clearly

Ellen: it was quite, it was quite obvious. Yes. But I don’t think there was anything else in the first episodes in season four that I, um, you know, there was a particular surprise.

Anyway, we can talk about that next week. But, um, yes. Yeah, for this season, I don’t know. I’m guessing, uh, if we are going to do this now, and I’m gonna tell you what my predictions are, my, I’m guessing that there will be some kind of a, a love interest for either Buck or Eddie or both.

That’s not each other. Female love interest.

Alice: A, a different, a different love interest. Yep. [00:16:00]

Ellen: Yeah, because we didn’t have any, any of that apart from when Eddie was kind of making eyes at Chris’s teacher, but yeah, nothing happened with that yet. So Maddie’s gonna have her baby, I hope. I’m always worried when we have like baby storylines and I have not seen the baby in any promo or anything, and I’m always worried that there something’s gonna happen, you know, that’s not gonna be a good outcome.

But, um mm-hmm. So yeah, I haven’t seen anything about that. No, I have not been spoiled, so I dunno what’s happening with that.

Bex: Okay. Interesting. All right. I’m, I’d say I’m writing it all down, but it comes up in the transcripts, so I’m just gonna be like going back and copying it from the transcripts. And then I will, we will present that to you at, in the season four wrap up and go, here’s how you did for predicting season four.

Ellen: Great. I can hear my deranged ramblings later. [00:17:00] Awesome.

Alice: I’m going through, like, I’m looking at the episode list of season four. And that it’s just, it’s so much good stuff. There’s only 14 episodes next season as well, so,

Ellen: right. Yeah.

Alice: Like it’s not heaps shorter, but it feels a lot shorter.

Ellen: Is that just because you went through it like really fast, like when you watched it the first time?

Alice: No. Well, like you, we are missing four episodes from like, because normally it’s 18 episodes in a season, but it’s only 14. So

Ellen: actually one thing that I did, I was expecting, and we get it in next episode, is the COVID storyline.

So we knew that at the end when they finished filming season three, COVID had just kind of started and they, they finished filming before with all the lockdowns, but then season four will be, you know, actually portraying COVID in the show. Um, yeah, so. I, [00:18:00] I look, I’m looking forward to seeing how all of that plays out in the show.

It feels so like, such a long time ago now, bit of five years ago nostalgia.

Bex: That’s a good point .

Alice: Yeah. It’s, it’s interesting because when it was happening, it was so current and so many TV shows put it in their seasons and now looking back it’s like, oh, why did they do that?

Ellen: Well, there were some TV shows that just completely ignored it and just pretended it didn’t happen at all in their universe.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: But yeah, but

Alice: like, I re-watched Superstore recently and they have like a whole season of COVID too, and I’m like, Ugh. Like, we already lived through this.

Ellen: We’re over, we’re over that.

Alice: Like rewatch it five years later. Yeah.

Ellen: I mean, it, it does date it then like you, you can, it was that era. Definitely. But anyway, we should talk about season three.

Bex: We should talk about season three. Well, I have plenty of time to talk about season four when we’re actually watching season four.

Alice: Watch me. Like, I’ll be like, oh my God, season four is my favorite. And then as soon as we start breaking down the episodes, I’ll be like, this episode fucking sucked. [00:19:00] Why do I like this season? Why am I watching this show?

Bex: Well, interestingly when we looking at season three and as you know, one of the usual questions we ask in our wrap up is like, what is your favorite, what is your least favorite episode of a season? And going through season three, I actually struggled to find a least favorite episode or an episode that I hated.

Ellen: I did too.

Bex: I know. Yeah, so yeah, because we’ve done season one and season two and been episodes that I’ve actually been frothing at the mouth at about how much I hate them and that I will refuse to rewatch them, and I’m ranting until Kingdom comes about how bad it is. I, I mean, I’m sure that everybody who has listened to all of our episodes could call me out on this and go, actually, do you remember what you said about this episode?

In this episode? Um, but I don’t remember hating an episode with a fiery passion. Yeah. In season three.

Alice: I’m going through the list. And [00:20:00] same like there were some that had stupid moments. Definitely.

Bex: Yeah. Yes. But like Ellen was saying, there were so many small storylines and small story arcs that overlapped that even if it was an episode that like, not, like 75% of it sucked.

It still had another storyline in it that I really liked. And so I would go like, okay, yeah. I don’t particularly enjoy this part of that episode, but I really liked that part of that episode. So all of the episodes kind of get a pass because there is at least one part of it that I liked.

Alice: Hmm. Yeah. I just looked at one and I was like, maybe that one. And then I’m just like, no, not that one. Yes. ’cause I liked the start of that. Yeah.

Bex: Yeah. I think that’s the strength of season three is that it had a very, I don’t know who was in charge of the writer’s room for this one, whether they actually managed to get a good season arc going, but each episode played nicely into the next episode, and it became a very cohesive season as a whole.

Alice: It did. Yeah.

Bex: There’s [00:21:00] only one episode that I really think kind of is like, this one is not like the others.

Ellen: Yeah. I don’t know. There were some, like, obviously there were some threads that went all the way through like, um, Michael’s, um, tumor kind of storyline. There were a lot of episodes involving that and, but there were some, like, I think the one that you’re thinking of is probably “Eddie Begins”, right? It doesn’t really relate to the episodes on either side of it

Bex: actually, no.

Ellen: Oh, okay.

Bex: I mean, yes. But I was actually thinking “Athena Begins”. Yeah. Okay. I feel like “Athena Begins” could have gone in any, any, any season. In any part of any season.

Ellen: I mean, episodes that rely really heavily on flashbacks are like that anyway I think because they are focused on what happened in the past, not so much at present,

Bex: but then you’ve got something like “Chimney Begins” where they tied [00:22:00] “Chimney Begins” into the current storyline. So even though it relied heavily on flashbacks, it was still rooted in chimney bleeding out in current time.

Ellen: Mm. Yeah. I mean, it was similar with Athena and Eddie, but what the events that were happening in the present time didn’t really relate to the overall story progression.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. I think where they put “Eddie Begins” worked really well because it was after. The two episode arc of like the hostage situation, like “Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1”.

’cause that obviously ended, like, that started at the end of the fir the episode previous. And so it finished off that arc and then we went into “Eddie Begins”. So it didn’t have to be tying back.

Ellen: Wasn’t that before that?

Hang on, I, I’m open my list of episodes again.

Bex: No, I think “Eddie Begins” is after “Dispatch 9-1-1” because we were making jokes that, uh, Ryan was off doing B roll during “The Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1”.[00:23:00]

Ellen: Oh, that’s right. Yeah, you’re right. Sorry.

Alice: God. So we had “Pinned”, which is the one where they had like Chimney and Maddie had the date, which was real cute. And then after the date, Maddie walks back into work on the phone with Chim and that’s where the,

Bex: the hostage situation starts

Alice: that’s where the hostage situation starts.

Yeah. And then we have “The Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1” where obviously, it continues and wraps up.

Ellen: So do we wanna talk about some of these season arcs that were in? Like the small, the short kind of few episode arcs?

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Just to remind us what we actually had in this season.

Bex: I think this season most characters got at least one decent story arc.

Nobody got left behind. Well, except for Bobby. I think Bobby got left behind a little bit. I mean, he was there a lot, but yes, there was not a lot of like Bobby suppose centric episodes this season.

Alice: Yes. Season one and two. He had a lot.

Ellen: Yeah, he was [00:24:00] very dad in this season. He was everyone’s dad.

Alice: He was very dad in this season.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So season arcs, we had Buck, uh, who started off recovering from the fire truck, uh, crushing his leg. So he obviously, was out of action for a bit. He got caught in the tsunami with Chris. Uh, he then went through the lawsuit arc and the grocery store fight with Eddie.

Bex: Well, that falls into the lawsuit arc. The lawsuit era.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. Um, and then Red showing him sort of his future and ending with Abby coming back.

Ellen: Yeah, that’s interesting. ’cause the, like, the tsunami and the lawsuit stuff was all in the very beginning of the season, and then the Abby stuff was right at the end. So there was like this period in the middle where Buck was just the “what does it, what does that mean?” Person, you know?

Alice: Yeah. This season, like the whole start was Buck and then it ended on Buck as well, which is [00:25:00] interesting.

Ellen: Yeah. Because he was injured and out out of the team. Yeah. So the lawsuit, like I, the way that you guys had been talking about it, I expected it to be so much bigger than actually was because it only, it was only a few episodes.

But like,

Alice: it’s like two episodes, I think. Yeah.

Ellen: It’s kind of never come back again at in the rest of the season.

Bex: It’s kind of like the same, when we were talking about the Supernatural, like the widower arc and the divorce arc. That’s like two episodes in Supernatural.

Ellen: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Like a Demon Dean, like he was only a demon for like two episodes. That was it.

Alice: Literally, he was a demon for two episodes. The, the promos for se like that season were all like, oh my God, he’s gonna be a demon. This is gonna be huge. And then he’s not a demon. And after like two episodes it’s like, oh, that’s, yeah, we’re done?

Like, he had a threesome with Crowley and now we’re done.

Ellen: Yeah, it was weird that, I don’t know, we’ve, we’ve [00:26:00] talked about it extensively already, but um, that Buck sort of took the whole thing out of proportion and then felt really bad that the lawyer had taken it and just run with it and everyone else was getting in trouble because of something that he didn’t mean to happen, you know?

Alice: Yeah. He was, he was very immature in the lawsuit arc, I feel.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean, I don’t wanna say it was out of, yeah, it wasn’t out of character, but

Bex: it’s completely within character.

Alice: Yeah. No, I’m not saying it’s out of character, but like, very immature and I, like, every time I sell like cat laxative at work now all I can think of is Happy Cat laxative powder.

Ellen: Do you sell a lot of cat laxative powder?

Alice: I mean, it’s paste. That’s, but yes, we sell cat laxative, um, like not every day, but regularly enough

Ellen: Aw, those poor kitties.

Alice: But like, it helps break up hairballs as well. Um, but yeah, every time I sell it or every time I’m like stocking the shelf with it, or every time I walk past it and like have to face it [00:27:00] up, I’m just like, you could, I couldn’t even call you to bail me outta jail

Bex: if that’s something that

Alice: was something that was happened.

Ellen: If that was something that happened.

Bex: So that’s the other good thing. You’ve got, like, you’ve got the intersection between the lawsuit arc with like Eddie’s illegal fight club arc and the way those two kind of play in together.

Ellen: Yeah. Well, do we want to go on to Eddie because they do overlap then. So we’ve got like from, uh, from Eddie, reassuring buck that he’s the one that he trusts the most with Chris, like at the end of the, the tsunami.

Um, Buck is so upset about what happened with Chris, but Eddie’s like, “it’s okay, it wasn’t your fault.” And then we go into, this is the,

Bex: Hey, what is the exact quote? Hang on, I gotta pull up the group chat. “Buck. There’s no one in this world I trust with my son more than you.” I had to explain that to my kid the other day.

He had my phone and he is like, “You got a chat from [00:28:00] B-T-N-I-T-W. What does that mean?”

Alice: Just dead eye him, “Buck. There’s no one in this one I trust with my son. I trust more with my son. More than you.”

Ellen: Yeah. And then what, how, how many episodes is it between that and then going into the actual lawsuit?

Alice: They happen sort of at the same time.

Bex: So that was…

Ellen: that’s right. Because Buck’s not working

Bex: the end of this, that was the end of “The Searchers”.

Ellen: Yeah. Okay. That’s right.

Bex: And then you get, you get “Triggers” and then you get “Rage”.

So you get one episode between, um, the end of the tsunami rage is where the fight club comes in.

Ellen: Yeah. He said Buck is on light duty. That actually “Triggers” was on my list of potential, like least favorite episodes just because, um, it was the one with the, the sisters who were arguing about their [00:29:00] mom’s

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Inheritance and who, who were like, I just realized looking at the Wikipedia page about all this, that they were real life sisters. Like the, the actors who played those two sisters were real life sisters.

Alice: Oh, there you go.

Ellen: I hadn’t, I dunno if we mentioned that during the, our chat about it, but I thought that was pretty funny.

Alice: I don’t think we did.

Ellen: Um,

Alice: yeah, there you go.

Ellen: But yeah, that episode was kind of like, not much happened in it. It was way like when Maddie discovered.

Alice: Yeah. It’s definitely, it’s a bridge between the tsunami ending and like Buck starting the lawsuit.

Ellen: So yeah, that’s when the, uh, like Eddie decides on the unhealthy coping me mechanisms.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: And that then the “Rage” not only has. Like, they’re more going to the, the smashing up room to let out their rage. Um, it also has that awful traffic stop where Michael and May and the kids get stopped by the cops. [00:30:00] Yeah.

Bex: Yeah. Rage. Rage had a lot going on.

Ellen: Rage. Yeah. That was like possibly one of the most emotionally, um, difficult episode to watch, just for that reasons. Yes. But well done. Well made.

Bex: But then also had, also had one of my favorite lines in, which was just Chim deadpan like “Does the adulterous slut have a name?”

Alice: Yeah. I love Kenny so much.

Ellen: Yes. He has some cracking lines in this season.

Alice: Yes. Breaking it down into like, into like three A and three B, “Triggers” is probably the weakest of three A.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: Um, but not in a bad way because the first three episodes are such high tension that it’s kind of nice to have that little bit of a downer or a little bit of a break.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Then after Eddie gets all of his rage out, we have a little bit of a break from Eddie, but then we [00:31:00] get the introduction of Ana Flores.

Ellen: Oh yes. How early in the season was that though?

Bex: Uh, she came in, was it 12 episode 12?

Ellen: Oh, that was later. Yeah, that was later.

Alice: Yeah. 12.

Ellen: Okay. Sorry, I thought we were going in, in chronological, but we’re just going through Eddie’s stuff.

That’s cool. I was confused. Yeah. I think I’m like, Ana wasn’t that early in this.

Bex: No, I think it makes sense if we, like we’ve done gone through Buck, then we’ll go through Eddie and it probably makes a sense. If we kind of take it character by character and work out all of the individual arcs. Otherwise, because like some of these episodes it’s like three separate character arcs all in one or they’re all overlapping.

So if we just take it character by character. Yes. So we’ve got, you know, Eddie almost killing a guy in Fight Club and really only stops when Bobby introduces him to Frank and he gets some actual proper therapy.

Ellen: That’s right. They all go to therapy. Poor Frank.

Bex: Yes. [00:32:00] The revolving door of Frank,

Ellen: because Maddie’s going to see him as well

Bex: and Hen

Ellen: and and Hen later. Yeah. Yeah.

Bex: So he gets some therapy, then he meets Ana. Ana, I’m just gonna call her Ana.

Ellen: Didn’t we work out that her name was Ana?

Bex: Yeah, but I’m still just gonna call her Ana. I don’t care.

Ellen: Okay.

Bex: She’s Ana in my head. Um, which is the first time we’ve actually seen Eddie interact with a woman on this show.

Ellen: What about Shannon?

Bex: ’cause we’ve had, well, Shannon’s different. Shannon was his wife. We got the first time we met her. She was his wife.

Alice: Shannon’s not a woman, she’s his wife.

Bex: No, but I mean, think about every time that previous to meeting Shannon, there were multiple opportunities where women were like throwing themselves at Eddie and he’s like brushing them off.

Ellen: He’s not been interested.

Bex: Like, oh no, I can’t, I have a kid. And the woman’s like, oh, I’ve got a kid too. And Eddie’s like, [00:33:00] fuck that was supposed to work.

Um, but now he doesn’t have the hindrance of a wife back in Texas or California or wherever she was. And so they’ve decided to dangle another woman in front of him. Then we discovered he really doesn’t have game when it comes to women.

Ellen: I mean, through this season we discovered. Like, I felt like in season two, I mean Eddie was new, but we barely got any time with him.

Whereas in this season we’ve seen a lot more of him with Chris and like in his past and how he’s dealing or not dealing as the case may be with, um, losing Shannon and all that’s come out I guess.

Bex: Yeah. “Eddie Begins” was incredibly important to sort of flesh out Eddie’s storyline.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we definitely needed “Eddie Begins” before his story post Shannon could continue.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah.

Alice: Like it gave [00:34:00] Shannon the needed backstory as well to put her at rest respectfully rather than, you know, Shannon dying and then Eddie being like, oh, I’m gonna go bang someone new.

Bex: I think maybe now that you’ve seen “Eddie Begins” you probably have a little bit more context as to why Alice and I had the reactions to Shannon that we did,

Ellen: but yeah, I mean, I like, I thought it was great that they fleshed out that story a lot more like between them. I mean, both of them have been through so much, like I just would like to hug them.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Individually. Yes.

Bex: Oh, I’ll take a joint hug. Leave me alone, Buzzfeed.

Alice: It’s okay. We seem to be safe from, um, from Buzzfeed in the depths of the podcast. Buzzfeed, if you’re listening, please do [00:35:00] not look at our transcripts.

Ellen: God, I haven’t watched any of, I haven’t tried to look up the tweet videos.

Alice: Oh, it’s so good. I just watching Ryan crying with laughter.

Bex: It’s so tame though, considering, considering the, like, the depths of the thirst of this fandom, although apparently I did, somebody who runs the Buzzfeed TikTok account went that, um, Ryan and Oliver’s reps kind of vetoed a lot of the tweets, so

Ellen: that’s probably wise.

Bex: There’s worse out there. We got a couple of corkers though. But anyway. Um, back to season three.

Ellen: Well, before we move off, um, before we move away from Eddie, do we wanna talk about like the Buck and Eddie of it? Because I mean, listeners, you must know by now that we are here for that.

Bex: Oh, we need the, the kitchen scene, the infamous super gay kitchen scene.

Ellen: Oh yes. [00:36:00]

Alice: Oh my God. The kitchen scene, like even Oliver has come out recently. And said, yes, the kitchen scene is super gay.

Bex: The other thing I find really interesting was that, um, I think it was Oliver was saying that Tim Minear wrote the kitchen scene and then took it to another male writer and said, does this sound okay?

And the male writer went, well, I don’t talk to my friends like that. And Tim’s just gone, yeah, no, it’s fine.

Alice: It’ll be fine. I’m sure it’s normal.

Bex: So I know that when we were talking about that, we were going like, did they write it thinking that this is how like bros talk to each other and it just, these two took it in a completely different direction.

It’s like, no, it was always intended to be like this. I just don’t think Tim Minear actually realized what he was doing and how it was going to be perceived.

Alice: Oh, I think he did.

Bex: Either that or Tim Minear’s friends are very confused by the way he talks to them.

But [00:37:00] yeah, so we go from like “Buck, there’s no one in this world that I trust with my son more than you,” to, uh, you know, “Do you wanna go for the title?”

Ellen: Um, no. To, from, to arguing in the supermarket.

Bex: Oh yeah. The, the, yeah.

Alice: Don’t forget the arguing in the supermarket.

Bex: The separated fathers arguing over custody and arrangements in the supermarket to, do you wanna go for the title?

Ellen: Oh. I love them,

Alice: um, then we also get in “Eddie Begins”, Buck being treated like a grieving partner and trying to dig to Eddie with his bare hands.

Bex: Yeah. The, the Oliver literally trying to dig his way through the dirt. Yeah. With that same like, high pitched panic that we heard when Christopher went missing.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And we also have to like honorary mention to the blocking, um, for “Monsters”. They had Eddie and Buck literally separated on camera while they were still fighting.

Alice: Oh, [00:38:00] yes.

Ellen: Yeah. That was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Great shot.

Alice: Yeah. So much Buddie in this season,

Ellen: but not enough.

Alice: Never.

Bex: There will never be enough. They could be balls deep in each other and we’re still sitting there going, give us more.

Alice: Oh God, thanks. Uh, Misha. Um, but yes, it’s true. 9-1-1 coming to HBO Max.

Bex: Oh no. They’ll run, they’ll run it into the ground on A B C and then A B C will go, no, we’re done with it. And like Star will pick it up and go, oh, we’ll take it. Star, if you’re unaware, is like the more adult channel on Disney.

Ellen: Oh, okay.

Bex: And has the, the more like MA and R rated stuff on there.

Ellen: Right. If you take the, the actual shipping away from it that they have become much better friends in this season. I mean, they were before [00:39:00] anyway, but like, that, I mean, I think they just spent so much time together on shift and everything that there’s, there’s not much you can do but be besties, I think in that situation.

Alice: Oh, we also had, um, Hen and Karen’s discussion with, like, “I invite Chim Chim invites Maddie. Maddie invites Buck. Buck invites Eddie.” Yeah,

Bex: yeah, yeah. I think the, uh, the, the closeness, the depth of the relationship with Buck and Eddie is probably cemented by the tsunami and the lengths at which Buck went to keep Christopher safe.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And we know that like the way to Eddie is through Christopher, you Yeah. Like you show Christopher love, Eddie’s gonna fall for you. So the way that Buck treats Chris is it’s just Eddie can’t help but have that, that depth of relation, that depth of trust with Buck because of the way he treats Christopher.

Ellen: Yeah. And they’re so, [00:40:00] like Buck and Chris together are just like sunshine. They’re so gorgeous.

Bex: Yes. I think that’s just Gavin, I think, I think Gavin is just, is so cute that no matter who he’s with, he’s just going to, to um, to light up the scene.

Ellen: Yeah. I was looking through, thinking about all the different characters and thinking about who was my favorite for this season and like, can I just pick Chris?

’cause he’s just like, yes. Every, every scene he’s in is just like, so lovely. So such fun.

Bex: You can pick Chris. He’s adorable.

Alice: And we get the, the skateboarding in this season as well.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah. Alright, who’s next?

Bex: Should we talk about Henrietta?

Ellen: Okay. Hen and Karen had a lot of ups and downs. This season. As predicted.

Bex: Apparently she was very hormonal,

Ellen: not a lot, not a lot of ups and downs, but like some, because we did have all of that, um, trying to conceive arc. Poor [00:41:00] Karen with her hormonal.

Bex: We had the Karen high on hormones for the first couple of episodes.

Ellen: Oh yes.

Bex: And then we had the, um, losing of the, the embryos. I’m not really sure how to describe that. ’cause it wasn’t a miscarriage because she wasn’t pregnant.

Ellen: Yeah. No, they just weren’t viable.

Bex: The fertility treatments didn’t work. The pregnancies weren’t, yeah. And then Hen’s reaction to that. Like, not her finest hour. Understandable, but not her finest hour.

Ellen: Yeah. And then it all sort of got swept under the rug when Hen then went and had the accident in which the cellist was killed.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: And then Karen immediately went, oh, you know what, I’m not, I’m not upset anymore. I need to look after you. Yeah. Because you’re upset.

Bex: Only one character’s allowed to have trauma in a relationship at a time. So.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: It’s Hen’s turn for the traumas. So Karen’s not allowed to have trauma anymore. [00:42:00]

Alice: Yeah. Hen’s got the trauma stick now. Um,

Ellen: trauma stick. I’m sure it does happen like that though. Like if you, if you a person, if you are having trouble with something and then a person that you love is then struggling, you can snap out of it and help them, like that’s fine, but

Bex: oh hundred percent.

Ellen: I don’t think it’s super healthy. But,

Bex: but it’s like we, we’ve discussed in this previous episodes, um, this show has this thing for giving characters trauma and then just dropping the trauma when it’s no longer serving the storyline. Like we’ve had, we don’t wanna keep lingering on the trauma. We, you know, we’re over the trauma.

You had the trauma. Now just move on so we can get on with other storylines. So it just, it felt like, yes, I think that you are correct in that if this was in real life and you are struggling with some deep emotions and your spouse suddenly has an emergency situation, you would like suck it up and you would push down your emotions so that you can help your spouse.

Um, just in the context of other [00:43:00] storylines that we’ve seen on this show, it just did not read very good.

Ellen: No, it felt like she just got better, you know? Yes. That doesn’t happen really.

Bex: But the same as like, Hen just got better after her trauma.

Ellen: Yeah. Well, I, I felt in a way Hen did, like, after that, her storyline did progress in like a, a really positive way because then she doubted herself a lot and then she over the next, I dunno, 10 episodes or however many were left after that. Um, it was, it was quite a, a large proportion of the season actually. But then she just, then she became a lot more confident and decided that to go for her medical training,

Bex: it’s like eight episodes between “Malfunction” and then, uh, “The One That Got Away”

Ellen: and, I mean, Chim played a big part in that because he kept reassuring her that she was, you know, she, she could, was [00:44:00] definitely competent and she could get through this.

And then later telling her that she was brilliant and whatever. Then, uh, he did get a bit soy when he realized that this meant that she might actually be leaving him, but he was there for her. I do

Bex: appreciate that they had that storyline where Hen caused Evelyn’s death and then doubted herself and doubted confidence and um, and appeared to kind of just brush it off.

But then when we got to “The One That Got Away” and we got, um, the gentleman from the fire who later died in hospital because the doctors didn’t listen to he, um, the writer for that episode, David Fury had a callback, had Bobby say to him, it’s say to Hen, “It’s not just Anton, you’re also still thinking about this other patient from like eight episodes ago.”

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. I’m

Bex: so kudos in that episode that they managed to tie this storyline about, I’m sick of losing, I’m, I’m getting upset that I can’t [00:45:00] keep, I can’t save people. Um, and bringing back that storyline with Evelyn to forward Hen becoming a doctor.

Ellen: Yeah. I liked that they brought that back again, even though it, um it meant that Hen was once again doubting herself or she wasn’t doubting herself. She was just doubting that other people could,

Bex: everybody else

Ellen: couldn’t do their jobs. Yeah. Yes. It was like a pushing that problems onto them instead of being about her.

Alice: We had some great Chim and Hen bestie-ism in this season, but we also had the Chim and Karen bestie-ism.

Ellen: Oh yeah.

Alice: Which was real cute.

Bex: Yes. So like once again, we get the, the Hen cheating storyline. But as Celticwitch said, I mean that’s plausible plot line because of Hen’s. It’s like Chim said, like she would never cheat on you except for that one time that she actually did cheat on you. So like it’s plausible that they would keep bringing that back up.

But I will [00:46:00] happily,

Alice: it’s definitely realistic that

Bex: Realism? In this show?. Um. Yeah, I will happily sit through a cheating storyline if we get Drunk Chim and Drunk Karen together ‘cause Kenny and Tracy were amazing in that scene.

Alice: Yeah. Love them.

Ellen: They were, they were very funny.

Alice: Love them so much. Betrayal!

Ellen: But I mean, it does make, like, even though we were at the time, we were sort of, like saying that, did we really need this kind of storyline in there?

It does. It is realistic in that, like, Karen’s trust in Hen would’ve been tried, I guess by the whole thing.

Alice: Yeah, absolutely.

Ellen: And no matter how much they make up and say that they, they’re not, she was not gonna do it again, Karen’s still gonna have those doubts, but I think the, the main thing that I had, um, reservations about was the fact that they just, after they discovered that it was the doctor who she was meeting to talk about the MCATs, that was it. Like there was no, [00:47:00] no other resolution of that. It was just like, oh, you weren’t cheating after all. Oh, well, I feel like maybe there should have been slightly more to that, but maybe they didn’t have room in this season, and that’s okay. We can just pretend that it happened outside of

Alice: Yeah. I’d, I’d rather the, the Chimney and Karen drunkenness than like a drawn out conversation.

Bex: We can probably also, and I’m sure that the intention is we blame it a lot on the amount of alcohol that Karen had had.

Alice: Yeah.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: And then we also, to sort of round out the Hen and Karen storyline is after they’re, um, struggling to conceive, um, they decided to foster. And so we started the, the Wilsons as a foster family storyline.

Ellen: Oh yeah.

Bex: With the adorable Nia.

Ellen: And then they adopted Nia and then we never saw her [00:48:00] again in this season.

Bex: No. We saw her once.

Ellen: I don’t think she was in any other episode.

Bex: She, she was, she was in the camping one. We got like a, a microsecond shot of her asleep on Michael’s bed.

Ellen: Oh, okay.

Alice: Oh, that’s right. Yeah.

Ellen: But they did at least get her, but they keep mentioning her. They were mentioning her, but

Bex: they did keep mentioning her. Yes.

Ellen: But she was so cute and we barely got to see her.

Bex: She was adorable. Well, hopefully she’ll be, we’ll see more of her in the future.

Ellen: Yeah, she was a very small actor.

Bex: I guess it’s hard shooting with kids. What’s the adage? Never work with kids or animals. Yeah.

Ellen: All right. So we’ve mentioned Chim, do you wanna talk about his progression? We, the main thing. Okay. So. He and Maddie, obviously we can talk about Maddie as well, but she has her own things going on. So I think one of the things we were worried about with the end of season two [00:49:00] was that Maddie had been through all that stuff with Doug and that we were, she was sort of dealing with the trauma a little bit, but we weren’t sure how soon they would kind of drop that.

But no, in this season she has gone on to struggle with it to start with and um, you know, she went to see Frank and everything and it did come back into her like making her, uh, struggle even with her relationship with Chim in that she was jumping to conclusions about that 9-1-1 call that she went, decided to go and stalk the lady and whatever, which created some tension with Chim.

Alice: Is it this season as well, where Chim, like drops a thing or Maddie drops a thing and she like jumps and

Bex: Yeah, it was “Triggers”. She drops a plate and then immediately assumes, yeah. Immediately goes into

Alice: and just leaves

Bex: fawning behavior. But then when Chim tries to reassure her and he reaches out to touch her, she flinches as if she assumes he’s going to hit her.

So I think that was nice that they brought that [00:50:00] back. And then it also, with her discussion with Chimney, when he tells her that he loves her and she says, look, I feel exactly the same. I literally can’t say the words to you now because those words have been tainted by how I used them as a shield with Doug, which then became really nice seg uh, really nice sort of way to feed into “The Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1”, where she uses those words as a…

Like, I’ve literally just told you that I only say those words in bad situations and now I’m saying them to you now. Please understand why I am saying them to you and get my message.

Alice: Yeah, yeah. It was a real, really, like, I really liked the way that they did that. Like super obvious, but also really realistic. Like, you know, words do lose certain meanings like that.

Ellen: I mean, there’s no, there’s no telling how trauma is gonna manifest for you if you, you can get triggered by just about anything. But yeah, I was glad that they didn’t just completely drop that and it came [00:51:00] back.

Bex: And she also had the, uh, the scene with Frank where he took her back to Big Bear.

Alice: Oh yeah.

Bex: Managed to find a wormhole. So it did, it took less than 12 hours to get there for him.

Alice: I know. Amazing.

Bex: So that she could confront Doug.

Alice: They get there, it’s like, what do you mean it’s half an hour out of the city? What the fuck?

Ellen: And she shouted into the woods at some ghosts for a little bit and then she was felt a lot better.

Alice: Which is interesting. ’cause normally she whispers at ghosts.

Ellen: Yeah. I guess Doug needed some shouting.

Alice: Yeah. Speaking of Maddie, what song did I realize that she

Bex: “Bare Naked”.

Alice: Yeah, I was like, what? She sings that, like I knew she was a singer, but I didn’t think that she’d actually like sung anything I knew um, it’s, it’s one from like the early thousands.

Bex: I was just, I, [00:52:00] um, Alice was talking about it and I’m like, I don’t remember that song. And I started playing it and immediately got triggered like a sleeper agent and knew all of the words like. Okay. Maybe I do actually know this song,

Alice: Bex was literally Bucky in, um, winter Soldier where they say the code words. Yes. Um, “Bare Naked” started and she like turned. It’s just, it like started.

Bex: It’s amazing though, when you do, when they put it, when a song comes on and the music starts and the melody starts and just a part of your brain gets unlocked and you’re like, I know all of these words. I know this choreography.

Yeah. Like, so. Yes.

Alice: Because yeah, like she’s one of those actors that like I grew up with because she’s always been around since I’ve been a kid.

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: And yeah, so it’s just like, oh, she did that as well. Like, I knew she was everywhere, but she was literally everywhere.

Bex: She was big in Japan.

Alice: She, she was huge in Japan

Ellen: and Australia apparently.[00:53:00]

Alice: But yeah, no, go like, listen to “Bare Naked” now and you’ll remember it,

Ellen: I’m sure. Yes.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: But yeah. Crazy. I’m not gonna sing it because No,

Ellen: that’s okay. You don’t need to.

Alice: But yeah, she was huge in Japan.

Ellen: I mean, we’ve sort of hijacked Chimney’s chat to go onto Maddie, but, um, Maddie did,

Bex: but his storyline was a lot about Maddie.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean, he didn’t really have that much stuff of his own. I mean, he had Albert show up.

Bex: Yeah. Like, see, his, his storyline was a lot about his relationship with other people. So it was him and Maddie, and then him and Albert, and then via virtue of Albert, his relationship with his father.

Alice: Mm.

Ellen: Yeah. Um, that was a very small part of this season though.

Alice: And the um, and the relationship with the Lees.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: We got to see the Lees meet Maddie [00:54:00] and. Yeah, which was, Maddie got very, um, nervous about it because she said she was literally meeting Chim’s parents.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah. It was nice that we’d sort of seen “Chimney Begins” before that, so that we knew. I mean, that was the previous season, I guess, but

Bex: yeah,

Ellen: it was good to get the Lees back for that episode.

Bex: Yeah. But then we also had Chim sort of reacting to Maddie’s trauma and how is, how does he deal with the fact that his, um, his girlfriend is sort of, has got a trigger point and he has to be almost working in eggshells around her and then she goes off the rails with Tara and Vincent.

That 9-1-1 call that she took that, um, triggered her.

Ellen: Yeah, that whole…

Bex: Maddie really went through it this season.

Ellen: She, she really did.

Bex: So she gets over all that, then she gets taken hostage.

Ellen: Yeah. That not only did she go through the trauma of, [00:55:00] um. Vincent’s like getting shot and stuff. But then, then she goes into the hostage situation and gets traumatized by that. Oh.

Bex: Oh. But she kicked ass in that.

Ellen: That’s a lot.

Bex: I think that that was a, that was like a very positive storyline for Maddie. ’cause has, it’s traumatizing. But she, she was, she kind of took control in that one in the end.

Ellen: Yep.

Alice: I love Maddie so much.

Ellen: Now she’s gonna have a baby. Anything else about Chimney and Maddie?

We got to see them working together to save that lady who got pinned in that, in, in the “Pinned episode”. That was very Yeah.

Bex: And discovered that both, both of them have a competency kink because they got completely turned on by how, um, how good the other one was at their job.

Ellen: Yes.

Alice: And Chimney, Chimney Han’s blood kink.

Ellen: Oh yeah. That was the same episode

Bex: Chimney Han’s blood kink. And then we get bonus shirtless Kenneth Choi. So that’s always, um, always fun. [00:56:00]

Ellen: Yes.

Alice: What a good episode. 10 Outta 10. Honestly, no complaints about episode.

Ellen: Is that your favorite? Which one was that?

Alice: Might have to be

Ellen: “Pinned”?

Bex: That was “Pinned”.

Alice: Was, hang on. Was was Buck shirtless in this season at all? He wasn’t, was he?

Bex: Unfortunately, no.

Ellen: Uh, no. Not even the tsunami.

Alice: So it’s going to have to be “Pinned” then.

Bex: No, but we have some,

Alice: oh, no, Ryan is, so

Ellen: he had a wet shirt on.

Bex: Bex has some, um, oh, he did have a wet shirt on in the tsunami. I feel like we have to cut the tsunami out of the favorite episodes talk, because otherwise it’s just like, that’s not thick because this, it’s such a good arc.

All right, let’s, let’s finish off the last couple of characters and then we can talk specific episodes.

Alice: Yeah, let’s keep going with characters.

Bex: Yeah. So we’ve done Chimney, met his brother,

Ellen: keep thirsting to the minimum.

Bex: Then, I dunno what I’m gonna say in this episode. Okay. Um, we’ve [00:57:00] done, we are done with Chim. Yeah?

Ellen: Yeah.

Alice: I’m never done with Chim.

Ellen: He doesn’t like, I mean, I love him. He’s got some absolutely amazing, uh, I mean, comic relief basically in this season because he doesn’t have a lot of storylines that are just his, most of them are relating to other people, as you said.

Bex: Oh, Chimney and the crows! Yeah. Chimney and the crows.

Alice: Chimney and the crows!

Ellen: But Chim being the comic relief is just great. The crows amazing. He had some amazing one-liners

Alice: Chimney has been through enough horrors. Give him less horrors just for a minute.

Ellen: Yeah. Okay. Who’s left? We’ve got Michael and Athena. We’ve got Michael together. Michael,

Alice: did we actually go into Bobby?

Bex: No, we didn’t. Well, Bobby really go into Bobby except to say that like he got turned into the incredible Hulk for one episode and then didn’t. He was otherwise, he was just there being supportive dad to everybody.

Alice: He was supportive Dad, um,

Bex: like getting pissed off at Buck.

Alice: We did, we did find out that he was a figure skater.

Bex: We found out he was a figure skater. We found out [00:58:00] he went to camp and he can yodel. Um, yep.

Ellen: That’s, that’s pretty much it.

Alice: But yeah, he was very much like, yeah. The support of everyone this season,

Bex: especially Michael. I think he had, he and Michael had very close ties in this episode, in this season.

Ellen: They did a lot of bonding. Yeah.

Alice: Bobby and Michael bestie-ism

Bex: yes.

Alice: What would Bobby and Michael ship name be? Bichael?

Bex: Is anybody shipping them or are they just like the epitome of like bros?

Alice: This is the internet. Surely people are shipping them.

Bex: Oh, I’m sure that they are. But I just, I love their bestie-ism.

Alice: I love their bestie-ism they’re great. They’re actually the strong male friendship of the show. Um, yes. Not like Buck and Eddie who are no terrible besties and great as a relationship. Why is archive of my own not logging me in? [00:59:00]

Bex: I’m sorry we boring you that badly that you’re looking up fan fiction?

Alice: No, I’m trying to find out if there’s Michael and Bobby fan fiction and it just won’t log me in. Okay.

Ellen: Oh, don’t go there. Don’t go to that place. So, so Michael,

Alice: the shadowy place,

Ellen: Michael went through it this season. He definitely went,

Alice: oh, Michael definitely went through it this season.

Bex: So the poor dude had a brain tumor for pretty much the entire season, which turned him to a sassy little bitch whenever they had, um, whenever they’re entertaining the masses. Um,

Ellen: I mean, yeah, there was that. But also he, he started out by like walking kind of drunkenly through a shopping center and then walking through a wall, like a glass window.

But then after that, he seemed quite lucid the whole time. Like he, apart from the, the fact that he turned up in Athena’s bed, um, after that he was fine. He used it as an excuse a lot

Alice: yeah, once they knew what it was, it was fine,

Bex: I’m gonna assume that he was on [01:00:00] copious amounts of medication, so like up to Christmas he says he wasn’t sleeping, he was having the sleep walking, which is like sleep disruption. So I’m assuming that once he started the medication for the tumors, they probably gave him something that knocked him out at night. So he was actually sleeping, which might have helped the headaches a little bit and the, you know, waking up in Athena’s bed.

But they didn’t actually go into it that much.

Ellen: No, they, all we had from him was, I mean, he’s not, I don’t wanna say he’s not a main character ’cause he is in it quite a lot to be a main character, but, um, we only get little snippets of what he was up to. Like, we didn’t see him. Yeah. A lot. Except in the episode, like right at the start where he got, where they had the traumatic…

Bex: The “Rage” episode

Ellen: the traffic stop. Yeah,

Bex: Yeah. That incredibly difficult scene where we saw him try to teach Harry what it means to be a Black man in America and how as a Black man, he needs [01:01:00] to change his behavior, which was very difficult to watch.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: But then he gets the treatments for the brain tumor work and he ends up at the end of the episode with a boyfriend. A new boyfriend, yeah. Or at least dating someone, going out on dates.

Ellen: Yeah, that’s good. Because he really needs to like stop going over to Athena and Bobby’s all the time. He seems to just be there all of the time.

Bex: He, yeah. Yes.

Alice: Well his,

Ellen: which is fine

Alice: his wife and his bestie were there, so,

Ellen: yeah. And he was single and you know, he didn’t have anything else to do, but you know,

Alice: he needs some hobbies of his own

Bex: hobbies that don’t include destroying Athena’s fire pit.

Ellen: Oh God, yes. I mean, Bobby was all for that, to be honest. Like he was, he was like on [01:02:00] board completely.

Bex: He had some, some issues to work out. So, yeah, because that was, he just listened to his wife get assaulted over on open radio for reasons. Yeah.

Ellen: Oh gosh.

Bex: For drama. Nothing but the drama. So yeah, he needed something to take his, um, his anger and his frustration out on. So why not a pile of bricks?

Ellen: Yeah, I mean, like we say that Bobby didn’t have much this season, but he, he really went through it too. He went through it because everyone else went through it. You can’t, you can’t be a support person for everybody without getting some trauma of your own, I guess.

Bex: Right. It’s like when, um, at the end of season, the season three finale where Buck is proposing something stupid and Bobby says, I can’t be sitting by another bedside.

’cause pretty much that’s all he’s done all season is like sit by people’s bedsides.

Ellen: He’s, he’s reached the end of his coping, [01:03:00]

Bex: which then kind of leads into Athena’s storyline for this. So she also went through it quite a bit this season.

Alice: She very much went through it this season.

Ellen: Yeah. A lot of old, old pain come up for her, right?

Bex: Yeah. She wasn’t directly involved in the traffic stop, but she had to witness after the fact and did, and have to confront after the fact that her family had gone through this. And then we get “Athena Begins”.

Ellen: Yeah. Amazing episode.

Bex: I think we also met

Ellen: really well done.

Bex: We also met the Carters this season for the first time, which is Athena’s parents.

Alice: Was that this season?

Ellen: Uh, I think we

Bex: was that this season?

Ellen: Didn’t we have. We saw her, I think we saw her mom in at least in, or maybe her dad as well. I can’t remember. No, I, I’m pretty sure that was in season two when, when we first met them. [01:04:00]

Bex: Uh, probably, like I said, it’s hard to, it’s hard to separate them sometimes, but it, I know we had her come back this season ’cause Bobby redeemed himself by calling Beatrice in “Athena Begins”.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. No, it’s the second season that we meet.

Bex: Okay. Um, and then once if going through a traumatic traffic stop and then having to revisit the trauma of your, uh, fiance dying wasn’t enough, then we have the, uh, the realtor rapist storyline and Athena. Having the, the crap kicked out, kick kicked and hit out of her.

Ellen: You’re like literally going through it by

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: Being beaten within an inch of her life. Bless her.

Bex: Yes. And having her husband hear all of that. And then the, the line where she thought that she was dying because Bobby thought she was dying. Like she was fine until she saw Bobby. And [01:05:00] then when she saw Bobby’s face, she’s like, shit, maybe I’m in worse shape than I thought.

Ellen: Ugh. Well, I mean, she like has come out of that with severely doubting her own abilities to do her job. So maybe she’s gone in like a, a reverse growth direction where she started out being very, um, I mean sure of herself and like going to go in there and do what she can no matter if she’s got backup or not.

And then it’s turned out badly and now she feels like she is not trusting her own abilities anymore.

Bex: Well, I think she says that to Brooke Shields. She’s like, I’m, I’m double, I’m double guessing myself, and I can’t be out on the streets if I’m second guessing myself.

Ellen: Yeah. Mm.

Bex: You know, I need to be able to follow my gut. And we even saw at the, at May’s graduation party, like Bobby comes up behind her and scares the crap out of her.

Ellen: Yeah. [01:06:00]

Bex: Like, not intentionally. That’s just how reactive she is at the moment.

Ellen: I look forward to seeing what happens with that in the next season. I know there’s, I know there’s some coming.

Bex: She says, as though she hasn’t already seen.

Ellen: I have. Yeah. Well, I’m sure there’s more, more of it coming.

Alice: Wow. I hope Athena’s in the next season. Um,

Bex: okay. Before we get on to, um, sort of discussing the, the highs and lows in specific episodes, we did get some, um, comments from, if not listeners of the show, people who have watched 9-1-1 and they shared their thoughts about season three, sort of as a whole.

So maybe now would be a good time to share some of those comments that we received.

Ellen: Sure,

Alice: yeah. Friends of the show,

Bex: or at least friends of friends of the show. They’re not, if they’re not actually listening to the show, they’re friends of us.

Alice: Yeah. Um, yeah, so we got a [01:07:00] good review of, uh, season three from our good friend Nanna T,

Ellen: Yay. Thanks Nanna.

Alice: Um, who actually managed to binge through the entirety of 9-1-1, I think, while we were doing season three. Uh, so she’s now catching up on the podcast slowly. But yeah, so once she was, like, once she finished season three, she sent through the review. So she says, as much as I thought the tsunami episodes were a bit over the top, they were still compelling.

And I liked the dynamic between Christopher and Buck. It felt like the whole thing was a setup to show Buck in a hero role, but ultimately became a showcase for his self-esteem issues, which coming from Supernatural fandom is something we are familiar with. And then in brackets, Dean Winchester, I wasn’t a fan of Lena as a character, but I don’t like Rhonda Rousey, and I’m not a fan of fight sports.

In Gen General. Again, it felt like her character was only there to transition Eddie into his unhealthy co coping mechanism arc. Again, Dean Winchester, anyone [01:08:00] My favorite side character would have to be Josh. Why are all the sassy gay sidekicks always called Josh? Uh, apparently in the originals there’s a sassy gay sidekick called Josh.

Um. Buck’s lawsuit was telegraphed from the moment the lawyer was introduced and it felt inevitable. I felt that the hurt the team felt was underplayed. And I know if it was me, I would have left him in the cold for much longer than he was. Uh, Maddie’s domestic violence arc was personal, uh, in both season two and season three for me, and touched some nerves.

I was devastated for her, and I could see how her personal experiences led her to the sto to stalking her caller and befriending her under the guise of trying to protect her. Doing the wrong thing for the right reason is never going to work out well. Worst episode was “Monsters”. The crows and the guy in the windshield just felt like a gag that went too far.

Best episode was “The Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1”. I loved that it was focused on the call center and not on the firehouse team. I really wanted Josh to have his revenge on the a on his asshole [01:09:00] catfish attacker. I would also like to say that the cliffhanger at the end of “Powerless” was a close second, just that last few minutes because it was a good surprise.

I was in the pro Abby camp. I didn’t like that she left so abruptly, but I could see why she did, who doesn’t love a dramatic return? However, I did think the reveal of her fiance to Buck was a bit cruel. Buck’s “They always leave me” history, but at least he got some closure.

Ellen: Wow. Great comment. Thanks Nana.

Alice: Yeah, thank you so much, Nana.

Ellen: When you get here, there’s a lot there eventually. Yeah. When you, when you eventually listen to this episode. Uh, yeah. We didn’t mention Josh before. Josh was great in this season. Like he had a lot of small, I don’t know, storylines, I guess that added up to just a lot of fun and, and a lot of trauma for him too, like being beaten up by his date and like all those things were pretty awful.

But he got his own back again. That was so. [01:10:00]

Bex: Again, that was one of those storylines that it’s, it looked like just in an isolated storyline, but actually ended up being one of those much longer threads, because it wasn’t just Josh being catfished and assaulted. It was, that was the setup for “The Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1”.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Which then that continued through the next couple of episodes to finally resolve itself in “Powerless”.

Ellen: Love it when they do that.

Bex: All right. Um, actual friend of the podcast, Keira, who we’ve mentioned before, because she, um, pretty regularly responds, um, over on Blue Sky.

Alice: We love you, Keira!

Bex: We do, we love the fact that,

Ellen: thank you Keira!

Bex: You continually answer our questions and educate us about the, the whole American stuff that we just don’t understand being Australians. Um. So here are her comments about season three. Uh, she says, I’d forgotten how many huge moments slash arcs [01:11:00] were in season three until I was listening to the podcast.

We get the tsunami, lawsuit, fight club Eddie, Buddie Kitchen Scene, Athena Begins, Michael’s brain tumor, dispatch takeover, Eddie Begins, Athena versus Serial Rapist and that character, in case Ellen hasn’t watched the finale yet, making a reappearance, which was Abby. All in one season. Um, as far as favorite moments, I’ve forgotten how much I enjoyed “Athena Begins” until listening to the episode.

So I definitely need to go watch that one again. I love “Eddie Begins” As much as that episode triggers my claustrophobia and stresses the fuck out of me, it hurts so good. But I think the tsunami arc just can’t be topped. And the actual tsunami threat to LA that happened the same week as that episode was something you just can’t make up.

I completely

Ellen: That’s right.

Bex: Forgot that we summoned a tsunami.

Alice: I had forgotten about that as well.

Bex: We were so deep in how do we get word of this podcast out? I know. Let’s summon an actual like geological event [01:12:00] to coincide with our discussion of a fictional geological event. Yeah, there’s some comments here like talking us up, saying how much she loves the podcast, which is great. Um. I will say that there is a PS at the end of the comments, which is the number of times I now say for the drama in my everyday life is a little unreasonable, but it makes me laugh every time.

Ellen: Yay.

Alice: I’ve started saying it too, like at work the other day. I said something about for the drama and I was like, oh God. Um, I really need to upload those stickers that we were thinking of doing. Yes.

Bex: You know, it’s like a, you know, we

Ellen: totally put it on, on Red Bubble.

Bex: We make jokes about when we’re watching episodes, we’re gonna take a shot every time someone says the episode title.

I think that if someone were to turn our podcast into a drinking game, like take a shot, everyone says for the drama, um, they’d be like, out from alcohol poisoning.

Ellen: I mean, it’s a very dramatic show. Okay?

Bex: Yes, we [01:13:00] we do have a for the drama sticker, um, which if you twist our arm, we may make available.

Ellen: I want one.

Alice: I will upload it before this episode airs possibly.

Ellen: Ooh, yay.

Bex: Uh, so, uh, thank you Keira for your comments. Um, thank you.

Alice: We love you.

Bex: We appreciate, we do love you.

Ellen: Okay, so we have a message from Beckett. Thank you very much, Beckett. Um, who says, uh, I think the Christopher arc in the tsunami is really compelling and a theme I don’t feel like is explored very often.

My best friend has a three-year-old boy, and I’m super present in his life and have him alone all the time. Something happening to him on my watch is my biggest fear. I would be beside myself with guilt just like Buck was. We see a lot on TV of parents blaming the person they left their child with and I don’t think it’s always realistic.

So it was incredibly refreshing to see a [01:14:00] story focusing on Buck’s grief. His efforts defined him, his willingness to take responsibility for something that wasn’t his fault, and then Eddie grounding him and saying, Hey, he loves you. I trust you implicitly. None of this is your fault, and you did everything you could to keep him safe.

It was an incredible moment for their relationship and for solidifying Buck. Eddie and Chris as a unit. So related, what are you guys’ favorite similar family bonding arcs or moments from the Buckley-Diazs or another 9-1-1 family dynamic? Great question.

Alice: Great question. Also a really good comment because he’s right, like we don’t see that side of it very often. Like there’s a lot of blaming friends and like severing the relationship whereas this strengthens it.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean, in a way I feel like if it, if it had had a bad outcome in the end, it probably would’ve, may have gone a different way. But because [01:15:00] Chris was fine and it all turned out okay, I don’t know. I dunno if their relationship would’ve survived very well if, if it had all gone badly.

Bex: Mm-hmm.

Ellen: But thank goodness that did not happen.

Bex: But as we said, 9-1-1 doesn’t hurt children, so nothing would definitely happen to Chris.

Ellen: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bex: Chris was always destined to be fine. Uh, bonding moments. Um, I think the first one that came to mind for me, and it’s the one that I’m gonna go with is Maddie and Buck’s pinky promise.

At the end of the one that got away where Buck is like pouring his heart out to Maddie in the entire episode he’s talking about Maddie leaving him and he’s always the one that gets left behind. And Maddie promises him that she will never leave him behind. He will always have her and they pinky promise over his kitchen table.

Ellen: Oh, that’s really sweet.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: And that may be just because that’s like one of the last, [01:16:00] it’s one of the last episodes. So it’s the freshest in my mind. But I could think of lots of the Buckley, I could think of lots of Buckley Diaz moments throughout the season. But I think that Buckley sibling moment is probably the strongest and it’s my favorite.

Alice: Yeah. I love the Buckley siblings. They’re great. Um, I was gonna say, like going with the Buckley Diaz is, uh, is the skateboard moment in this season.

Bex: Oh yeah. Yeah.

Alice: Um, ’cause Eddie just has such a shit time, that whole episode. And Buck turns it around for both him and Christopher.

Bex: Once again, buck gets, does all the research, does all the work.

Ellen: Oh, he knew exactly what he needed.

Bex: He always does though. All right. What about you, Ellen? Did you, did you have an answer for Beckett’s question?

Ellen: I agree with all of the ones that you’ve said, but also I, I do enjoy I, I like the fact that Bobby and Athena and their kid, well, and [01:17:00] Athena and Michael’s kids, um, have their family dinners together and they, and like Michael’s included as well.

Like, I know that we, I joke about Michael always being there all of the time, but it’s kind of, it’s really nice to see that at least Athena has gotten over her feelings of betrayal of him, you know, leaving her and, um, just included him back in the family when they were having their family dinners and moments.

So that’s, that feels very wholesome

Bex: Like that um, family dinner where both Bobby and Michael are interrogating May’s boyfriend.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, it is, he does definitely hang around there, probably more than he should, but it is, no, I mean, Michael, not, not not, um, what’s the kid’s name? I forgot his name.

Bex: Darius.

Ellen: That’s right. I should remember that. [01:18:00] Um, but yeah, it is, it is wholesome to know that he’s, he’s still considered part of their family even though they’ve kind of separated.

Bex: Alright. Let’s get into the, the yearbook categories. So, favorite episode from season three and apparently we’re excluding the tsunami arc, which I think is unfair, but, okay.

Because I was gonna be incredibly basic and say that yes, my favorite episode was “Sink or Swim” and “The Searchers”. But I will like

Alice: Exactly, yeah.

Bex: I will go back and I will find another favorite.

Ellen: We’ll take that as, um, we’ll take that as read. It was like,

Bex: take that as given?

Ellen: An amazing Yeah. Amazingly produced and, uh, acted and yeah, the storyline was incredible. So, yeah. Anything else we wanna gush about the tsunami before we find a different episode to like wet t-shirt, Oliver Stark?

Bex: [01:19:00] No,it’s not a just wet t-shirt. It’s like wet T-shirt, dirty and bloody Oliver Stark. So it’s like a trifecta. Okay, moving on. Um,

Ellen: I really liked “The Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1”. I thought that was a great episode. It was terrifying, but it had the right amount of terror and badass kind of ass kicking from the, um, from the dispatchers. And I mean, they, they basically saved themselves in the end by like annoying the bad guys into, you know, losing their minds.

And then the actual SWAT team came in after they’d like, you know, taken over. So, I don’t know, it kind of made a moot point in the end. But yeah, I really enjoyed that episode.

Alice: Yeah, me too. It’s, I don’t wanna say the same one, so I’m trying to work out what,

Ellen: sorry, did I just [01:20:00] take everyone’s favorite then?

Bex: No, no.

Ellen: We’re allowed to agree.

Alice: I really liked “Fallout” when I first watched “Fallout”. I didn’t like the second watch through as much, but I remember “Fallout” being one of my favorites when I first watched it. Yeah. Which is the one with the meteor shower going through the woman and then the radioactive

Ellen: Oh, the truck. Yep.

Alice: In the tunnel. Like when I first watched that, it was so tense, even though like I knew that Bobby would survive ’cause I knew he was in the later seasons, I was still so like tense. And then the second time I watched it I was like, oh, this is kind of boring now. Like, I don’t know. I was really disappointed the second time I watched it.

’cause the first time I remember it just being so tense.

Ellen: Yeah. Okay. But you knew what was gonna happen, so you were

Alice: Yeah, like I, whereas like the tsunami, even though I knew what was gonna happen, it was still tense the second time I watched. Yeah. So I guess [01:21:00] probably “Eddie Begins”, if not “Taking of Dispatch 9-1-1”. Oh, actually maybe “Pinned”.

Ellen: Yeah?

Alice: Uh, I like, so I like Chimney and Maddie’s bits of “Pinned”. I don’t so much like the rest of “Pinned” ’cause the rest of it’s just like the bowling alley thing and the camping trip. So I am gonna cheat and say the Chimney and Maddy parts of Pinned and all of “Eddie Begins”.

Ellen: Yeah. Yep. I think “Eddie Begins” was a very well made episode. Like the, the flashbacks were great. Like it was a difficult episode to watch in a lot of ways, partly from their sad parts and, and the, I mean, the claustrophobia and just the terrifying being trapped underground,

Alice: the poor kid. Like again, that was one that I knew what was gonna happen, but it was still tense.

Ellen: Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, that’s why it was such a great episode. Partially because like it was [01:22:00] so, yeah. So tense. Bex, which one have you got?

Bex: I’m still checking. I’m trying to find the shirtless Eddie one. Okay. If I can’t say,

if I can’t say “Sink or Swim” or “The Searchers”, um, I would have to say that I really, I quite like “Rage”.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Despite how difficult, maybe because of how difficult it was to watch it, was it very much, it was a very impactful episode. Um, a very eye-opening episode as far as Michael and Athena’s storyline goes.

Um, but I quite enjoyed, and I think anyone who has listened to the season three episodes would know this, I quite liked Lena. I quite enjoyed her storylines and I, I really [01:23:00] liked the, um, the illegal fight club storylines, not just because, um, we got to,

Ellen: I bet you did.

Bex: Oh, a shirtless and bloody, um, Eddie for a lot of it. Um, I think “Rage” was a good episode with lots of good, strong storylines. ’cause we had everyone being pissed off at Buck because of the, the lawsuit arc. And we had the supermarket scene and we had the illegal fight club. Um,

Alice: oh, that’s right. The supermarket scene in Rage, isn’t it?

Bex: Yeah. Yeah. So I think that’s, that’s one of the episodes that sort of now that I’m sort of thinking about it, it’s not one that immediately jumps out as like, oh, yes, that’s one of my favorites. But it, if I’m sitting down to watch it and I get into it, like, oh yeah, I really enjoy watching this episode. So yeah, final answer locking it in. I’m gonna say that if I can’t have the tsunami I that I’m gonna have “Rage” as my favorite for season three.

Alice: Nice.

Ellen: Good choice. [01:24:00] All right. What about least favorite? Do we wanna go there?

Bex: Well, I don’t know if we can go there. I would be interested to know if anybody could go there. ’cause I, um, like I said, like I said at the beginning of, of this episode, I don’t think I can, yeah, there are episodes that I don’t like aspects of them, but there’ll be other parts of them that I do enjoy. So it kind of balances it out.

Alice: I think my least favorite it Oh no, that because. I had it at the start of the episode, and then I was going through and I was like, no, because I really like the start of that. I was gonna say “Seize the Day”, but then I remembered that that’s the one with Buck and Eddie on top of the fire engine.

And I’m like, okay, it’s not “Seize the Day”.

Ellen: Oh, yeah.

Alice: Um, because that’s the one with the, the assistant, like where the assistant does the lunch run. Yes. And it’s the whole like note thing.

Ellen: Oh yeah,

Alice: yeah. I hated that. And so I was like, oh yeah. And then like it has like a bankrupt, injured home repossession, [01:25:00] but I love the start of it.

Bex: Yeah.

Alice: And like the Athena part is good as well.

Bex: Yeah. So there’s no, like,

Alice: I just hate that one. Like Yeah.

Bex: But I don’t, but I think that’s why season three is so strong is there’s no, like one episode that sticks out as absolute stinker. There are emergencies within episodes or storylines within episodes.

Like I hated the whole Tara and Vincent story arc, but they were embedded in enough episodes where enough. Other good stuff happened that I’m still happy to watch those episodes.

Ellen: Hmm.

Bex: Like, so for me, season three, the, it’s not my least favorite, but it’s the one that I’ll skip if I’m trying to get through the season faster would be “Athena Begins” just because it doesn’t, it’s not really included in that story arc.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. Once you’ve watched it, you know what happens.

Bex: Yeah. I don’t hate it. I don’t think it’s a bad episode. It’s just not one that I feel the need to rewatch.

Ellen: Yeah. What [01:26:00] about, “What’s Next?” Like the finale? We didn’t like the,

Alice: It’s not the worst finale?

Ellen: We didn’t really like the way that it was put together.

Bex: My, my love, my love for Abby kind of over overrides how terrible I think the episode is. Like I will. I will yell and scream at how much, how wasted Connie Britton is in that episode. And, but I will still watch it just because Abby is still there.

Ellen: Yeah, right.

Alice: I’ll watch it. Just for the “Abby, his fiance’s Abby,”

Bex: his fiance’s Abby.

Ellen: Yeah. I didn’t particularly like, I think my least possibly favorite, um, was “Powerless” just because the powerless was beating us over the head, but mm-hmm. As we said, that episode did have like drunk Karen and Chim in it, [01:27:00] so, which was great. So, I don’t know, the rest of that episode was kind of, is that that annoying?

Alice: Oh, it is too, yeah. Mm-hmm. Far out. So we had Athena getting beaten up and then drunk Chim and Karen.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Yeah, because Karen’s getting, getting drunk instead of going to the hospital To visit Athena.

Ellen: To visit Athena. Yeah. That was after, remember, that was the one that just kept not ending?

Like we got to part of it. Yeah. Like this feels like it should be the end, but it’s not.

Bex: Yeah. That was, that was the Return of the King of 9-1-1.

Ellen: But wait, there’s more!

Bex: 51 million endings.

Ellen: Yeah. Anyway, yes, there were elements of probably every episode that were not great, but overall, because everything wove together. Yeah. There’s no one episode that we can say that we didn’t definitively didn’t like.

Bex: Yeah. Right. So well done 9-1-1 for making it [01:28:00] difficult for us to like season three did not have a “Karma’s a Bitch”. So kudos to you.

Ellen: I didn’t hate “Karma’s a Bitch”. It was very thematically overwhelming, but it was, it had some funny stuff in it.

Alice: Was that the one with, um, oh my god, what’s her name? The bitchy dispatch lady?

Bex: No, that was, um, “Awful People”.

Alice: Awful. Yeah, people.

Ellen: Yeah. That was bad.

Alice: Awful.

Bex: Which is another one that I think we like unanimously said, that was the worst episode of that season,

Alice: but yeah, no, season three. It’s really good. It’s a strong season. I was not wrong when I said I was excited for Ellen to get to season three. ’cause it’s a strong season. It’s really good. Yes.

Ellen: Oh my god. “Karma’s a Bitch” was in season one.

Alice: God,

Ellen: that’s Oh wow. Okay,

Bex: fine. I know. It seems so long ago. Okay. Um, moving on to favorite [01:29:00] character. So I did not go back and check who we all said was our favorite character from season two.

Um, so I can’t tell you whether anyone has changed their minds. I’m pretty sure I know Alice Alice’s favorite character was Maddie. I’m pretty sure that hasn’t changed.

Alice: Oh yeah. Mine’s still, um, the Buckleys and Chim like a hundred percent Maddie, Buck and Chimney.

Actually, speaking of Chimney, I, this is slightly a segue, but I, I mean a tangent, but I just remembered what I was going to bring up. I actually saw a theory about why Chimney’s name’s Chimney that makes sense. And I kind of hate it.

Bex: Oh, okay.

Alice: And I’m mad because it’s now my head canon.

Bex: Don’t wanna hear it then. I don’t wanna hear it then.

Ellen: Yeah, no, don’t tell us.

Alice: I’m happy to not share it if you don’t wanna know. Yeah, no,

Bex: I don’t wanna know, but I’m like, let me live in. Let me live in [01:30:00] blissful ignorance.

Okay, so Ellen, apparently, so season one, apparently you said that you loved Chim, but you also loved Hen. Um, and then season two you were the same. You loved Chim.

Ellen: Okay. I mean, I still love Chim, but he didn’t have like, he had some great like one-liner pop culture kind of references in this one, although not, possibly not as many as previous seasons now that I think about it.

But I was sort of thinking about all the different characters earlier and I’m like, I dunno if I can choose just one that had like, I, I really enjoyed like Buck’s epi, like characterization this season. But I mean, even he didn’t have, apart from the first few episodes, didn’t have heaps of like main storylines.

Bex: Yeah, it’s okay if you can’t pick one. I mean, [01:31:00]

Ellen: oh, I just, I, I, I don’t even have one that’s my least favorite. I think everyone did such a great job during this season. They were like, they were all amazing.

Bex: No, that’s cool. I mean, it’s, it’s a question that we can throw out there sometimes. We’re probably gonna have answers, sometimes we’re not.

I’m sure that it’s gonna come as a surprise to absolutely no one when I say that, Eddie was probably my favorite character, and I think we could probably cut.

Alice: What? No, I never saw that one coming.

Ellen: Wow.

Bex: I think we could probably like cut and paste that for like, every single wrap up from like here to Kingdom Come. Always gonna say that it’s Eddie.

Ellen: Eddie was pretty great this season. Yes.

Bex: Okay. So you touched on is there a, that you couldn’t pick a least favorite character for this season. Um, Alice, do you have a character that sticks out for season three that you like, they come up on screen and you’re like, Ugh, not this guy again.

Alice: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Um, that is Michael’s brain tumor. Um, really could do less [01:32:00] of Michael’s brain tumor. Screw that guy. And his tumor-ness. Um, oh, besides fucking, what’s his name? Greg?

Ellen: Yes. Yeah.

Alice: Josh’s. Yeah. Which I don’t think counts.

Ellen: I thought he was like a great bad guy though. Like I some of the other guys in that heist thing. Um,

Alice: oh, Voldemort.

Ellen: were pretty shitty, yeah. We don’t want them.

Alice: Fucking Voldemort. Um, the manager of the Amazon esque packing warehouse.

Ellen: Ah, are we? Okay. So are we gonna do like a least favorite emergency? Because I think that one was my least favorite. We like when he pees on the robot,

Bex: we’ll do favorite emergencies.

Alice: Um, I don’t think I have a real least favorite, like, of the main characters. I definitely don’t have a least favorite.

Bex: Yeah, there wasn’t a particular sort of villain of this season. Like I remember from sort of season two, I think we were unanimous that we [01:33:00] hated Gerrard, um,

Ellen: oh yeah.

Alice: Oh my God, Gerrard,

Bex: I don’t think, I don’t think there was a Gerrard of season three.

Ellen: No, we didn’t have any.

Bex: Which is fine.

Ellen: Actual antagonist.

Alice: Yeah. Thank God.

Ellen: Just individual assholes in some of the, um, emergencies.

Bex: Yeah. But I don’t think any of them sort of really stuck out, apart from Greg that kind of really stick out as a, like, I hate that character. There’s no Gloria. Like there’s no Gerrard, there’s no Gloria as it’s just, you know.

Ellen: Yeah. I mean, even the guy who murdered, uh, Athena’s fiance was, didn’t turn out to be like a complete asshole.

Alice: Um, Mum would like it knowing that the tsunami? Real good.

Bex: I mean, to be fair, the tsunami was really good. I mean,

it, it is like,

Ellen: I mean, she, she’s not wrong.

Alice: The general audience, uh, remembers the tsunami. Um,

Bex: I mean there, there is a reason that the general audience is kind of rated that as the highest rated episodes for 9-1-1 as a whole. [01:34:00] Um, and I think it is like the gold standard of season opening emergencies that the rest of the series try to live up to. Although, funnily enough, when you think about, you think about tsunami as being the opening emergency, but it’s not.

’cause it doesn’t kick into like episode two.

Ellen: Yeah, that’s right. We’ve got a whole episode before that

Bex: we have to do like the Phil Collins, um, hit the firetruck episode first before we get to the tsunami.

Alice: Oh yeah, that was…Yeah!.

Bex: Okay. So that’s a good segue into what was your favorite emergency of season three. And apparently we can’t say the tsunami, so you need to think of something else.

Ellen: Um, I liked the guys standing on the back of the fire truck. That was cool.

Alice: Yes. That was my favorite emergency. Um,

Bex: yeah, I was gonna say that one is a, I wonder

Ellen: You can have that one as well.

Alice: No, it’s fine.

Bex: I like the, the surfing of the firetruck. I enjoyed for the drama of it and the [01:35:00] way that they set it up and the music cue. I really like the hit the firetruck.

Alice: Yeah. For the drama.

Bex: Just because, you know, the, the way they used the Phil Collins song to, and timed it perfectly. Um,

Alice: oh yeah, that was fun.

Bex: Yeah. That’s, that’s fun.

Ellen: I liked the, um, I’m going to, I’m going to steal another one because I just remembered about the crows. I loved that.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: Chim with the crows.

Alice: I did love the crows. Yeah. Big fan of crows.

Ellen: I mean, I didn’t like that the boys were throwing rocks at them to get them to move, but I liked that the crows fought back.

Alice: Yeah. Yeah. I really liked the, the “Eddie Begins” emergency too. Like the kid stuck in the well

Bex: The little boy. Yeah.

Alice: Yeah. Like it was still stupid that Eddie had to move, like stuff off the hole to find the kid, but

Bex: it was very dramatic, very, very tense.

Alice: But yeah, it was good. Like it was very yeah. Very dramatic.

Ellen: I liked even, I know Nana mentioned this in the, in [01:36:00] her comment earlier, um, that the woman who run into that guy and went through her windscreen and then she drove around with him in the windscreen for a couple of days.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: That was so ridiculous. But then we found out that it was based on a real story. So

Alice: it was based on something real? Yeah.

Ellen: That was, that was amazing.

Bex: I’ve said that that storyline and that episode is like my favorite of the Halloween episodes.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: So I don’t know if it’s really like necessarily my favorite emergency, but I do enjoy that storyline just because of the way that it plays out over the episode and the, the fact that it, it’s taken to be a Halloween prank, but then suddenly we realize it’s not and it’s actually quite serious.

Alice: Yeah. And I like that Buck’s the one that fixes it and that’s what gets him back in the team.

Ellen: Yeah, that’s right.

Bex: But it’s also what makes him realize the severity of like why Bobby sidelined him?

Alice: Yeah. Because it is actually like dangerous for him to do stuff.

Ellen: [01:37:00] Yes.

Alice: Um, I think I’m gonna say that my favorite, besides the riding on the firetruck, um, is Chimney and Maddie working together in “Pinned”.

Ellen: Oh yeah.

Alice: Like it’s so stupid that like they can’t move the table and like. It shouldn’t have happened that way, but I love them working together.

Bex: It’s so stupid that she ended up in that situation in the first place.

Alice: Yeah, exactly.

Bex: She stepped to the left instead of to the right. She wouldn’t have been pinned, but Okay. Yeah. But yes, them working together is great. Um,

Alice: but I love them working together and it’s great.

Bex: Okay. Um, new category for the season three wrap up is going to be, um, we’re not gonna do the, the best we’re just gonna go for, which is the worst 9-1-1 call, like the literal call into 9-1-1 that they showed this season. Um, so I’ve, I have gone through all of the transcripts and I’ve pulled out, um, every 9-1-1 call that is not in any way informative or [01:38:00] helpful. Um, so if you would like to peruse the list, um, and pick which one is like so bad that you love it. Or it’s just like, that is absolutely the worst thing I’ve ever seen.

Ellen: Oh my god, there are so many. They’re all good though.

Bex: Uh, for those of you playing at home, there is 9, 9, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. There are nine examples on this list.

Alice: I’ve got my least favorite,

Bex: and I think when this episode airs, I will put the entire list up on, um, the episode posts so that you can read through the list and you can pick your own least favorite 9-1-1 call.

Ellen: Yes.

Bex: Yep. All right. Alice is go. You can go first. You’ve picked which one?

Alice: Oh, “My chef’s been creamed,” like, I’m [01:39:00] a hundred percent sure that they only put that emergency in so they could use that line and of course, not a good line.

Bex: So that’s from episode 16, “The One That Got Away” and

Ellen: that’s, that’s the guy that, um, Hen like holds onto his aorta in the ambulance?

Bex: Yes. Yeah.

Ellen: Oh my God. I think the one that I like, the, uh, the worst, the worst one that I think for me is “The robots. They’re attacking.” Yeah. And not just because it’s actually the worst emergency as well, where the guy pees on the robot and then it goes crazy, which is just the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Um, that, that is a hilarious 9-1-1 call as well.

Bex: So that’s from episode eight, “Malfunction”.

So. I like “The bowling balls are bleeding.” [01:40:00] Um, but I’m gonna have to, which is from “Pinned”, um, episode 13. But I’m gonna have to say that the one that takes the absolute cake is from episode 10, which is “Christmas Spirit” when, uh, Lorna calls in and her, the first words out of her mouth are, “I’m blue.”

And the dispatcher says, you know, “feelings of sadness and depression are common. Let me direct you to the mental health hotline.” Except it’s not that. She’s like, metaphysically blue. She is literally blue. She’s a smurf.

Alice: She’s literally blue. Yep.

Bex: Yeah.

Ellen: Oh, so silly.

I mean, I’m surprised as you haven’t got one for every episode. ’cause you know. Like, it feels like in every episode they have to have at least one that’s just really stupid.

Bex: Well, if you think about it, like the first three episodes of the tsunami, so you’re like, no one’s making prank [01:41:00] calls during the tsunami arc.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: So that’s taken it down to 15 episodes. Um, but yeah, I went through every single one. Those were the only sort of stupid calls that I could find.

Ellen: Oh, well done though. That’s a, that’s really great work.

Bex: So I think we’re gonna keep that as a, um, as a wrap up category for now and we’re going to continue

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Rating the 9-1-1 calls that get

Alice: Yeah, I like it.

Bex: That get made, um, and I think to wrap up the wrap up, this was a question that we got for the season two wrap up, but I like it so much that I’m gonna bring it forward to season three, which is, uh, fuck, marry, kill season three edition.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: Um, so I have picked three characters that we were introduced to in season three.

Um, and we are going to fuck, marry, kill them. Um, so fuck, marry, kill [01:42:00] Lena Bosco, Albert Han, Frank, the therapist.

Ellen: Ooh.

Alice: Oh, I thought I had this. And then I just realized that it’s season three versions of them and now I don’t think I have this

Ellen: season three.

Bex: And see, this is a hard one because when we did this for season two, for anyone who hasn’t, um, watched the season, listen to the season two wrap up.

It was Shannon, Josh, and Sal, and I think we were all unanimous that we were gonna kill Sal. ’cause it was quite obvious that he was like the, the bad option of the three of them. I don’t think there’s a bad optionable.

Ellen: No,

Bex: no. I, we’re all gonna end up having to kill somebody, but perhaps. We don’t necessarily want to kill, although I don’t know what your feelings are about leaner that could possibly sway it.

Alice: I think I’ve got it. I think I’ve just swapped around two, and now I think I’ve got it. You think you’ve got it if it’s just based on the season three versions of them.

Bex: Yes. Just season three,

Alice: I’m going to fuck [01:43:00] Albert because he is, he is a fuck boy in this season. Like I was originally gonna marry him, but he’s a fuck boy in this season, so fuck Albert.

Yep. Um, he is like, great for a good night, but then fuck him off. Um, marry Lena and, oh, kill Frank. I’m sorry, Frank.

Ellen: Oh,

Alice: I just, I can’t marry a man. It’s just I can’t do it. Whereas Lena like, yes, she’s in an illegal fight club, but she seems to have her shit together. She also doesn’t have a cat, so my allergies would be safe.

Bex: All right. Ellen, do you have an answer or do you want me to go first to give you time to think?

Ellen: No, no. Well, I’ve got a similar setup. I will, I will fuck Albert. And then, um, but, but marry Frank because he seems like a really nice fellow and very supportive and I guess long suffering because he does have to talk to all those people who have a lot of [01:44:00] trauma.

Um, but, and Lena, I mean, I’m sorry, she’s just the, the least likable one out of the three, in my opinion, which feels really mean.

Bex: Oh, this is fascinating.

Alice: I, I totally would have married Frank. I just, I just can’t marry a man. I just can’t do it. I’m sorry, Frank. You’re very like, it. It’d be good to be married to someone who’s emotionally mature, but I just can’t, I can’t do it. Can’t marry a man.

Ellen: That’s fair.

Bex: Okay. So my answer was, fuck Lena, marry Frank and then unfortunately kill Albert. Because I think like marrying Frank, you get the bonus of getting to fuck him every night because he’s there. Um, but I think that,

Alice: is that what husbands are for? Hang on a minute. Lemme

Bex: Um, but I think that that would possibly be a very stable, um, [01:45:00] marriage because Frank like probably has his shit together and could help with the sort of keeping the marriage afloat because everyone would be emotionally regulated and communication skills would be good. Um, Lena, I think she’d be an absolute firecracker in bed.

Ellen: Mm-hmm.

Bex: I don’t, I mean, I could be wrong. She could be like an absolute, um, you know, fight club in the streets and then pillow princess in the sheets. I don’t think she is though. I think that the rage and the intensity that we see on the streets would translate to bed.

So I think that would be great. Um, Albert, I mean, unfortunately he has to be sacrificed for the point of the game.

Ellen: Yeah.

Bex: But I would, I would let him down gently

Ellen: it’s a, it’s a harsh game.

Bex: Put him down gently.

Alice: It is a harsh game. It’s fine. Sorry, Albert and like season three Albert. Yeah.

Bex: Yes. Like, yes, he is a fuck boy in this season.

I just don’t know how skilled he would be. Like, obviously he can pick you up because we saw him with like, um, [01:46:00] Dr. Rando. Um, but I don’t know what his performance level would be like, but I, whereas I think Lena like, oof.

Alice: Oh, that’s why I’m marrying her. Yeah. A hundred percent. She was originally my fuck because of the same reason, but I just, I can’t marry a man.

Ellen: Understandable.

Bex: Okay.

Alice: Would just make me sad.

Bex: So this would be the part of the wrap up when we would turn to Ellen and go, so Ellen, what do you think is coming up in season four, but considering you’ve already started watching season four, I don’t know that I can ask that. ’cause you like already know.

Ellen: Uh, well, we did say some of it at the start already. Yeah, we did say that at the start.

Bex: We have also already talked about it.

Ellen: Yeah. I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to watch the first few episodes, but it happened.

Bex: No, it’s, it’s completely understandable. It must be very difficult, the fact that we’re forcing you to only watch one episode a week.[01:47:00]

Ellen: You know what I was,

Bex: and you can’t just binge it

Ellen: watching. I started watching, um, like we’ve been watching the second season of Andor. And I had to go back to the first season because I, it’s, there’s so many characters and they’re all doing their own complex stuff that I couldn’t remember what was happening at the end of the first season anyway.

And so I went back and star and like binged like a lot of season one in, in one go. And I’m like, oh, is this how it works when you’re binging? Like, it feels like, it feels like a really different experience watching this like, for instance, week to week and having to wait for like the next episode a week later to then going and watching it all in one go.

Like I feel like at some point I’m gonna have to go back and just watch like all of season three in one go. Like it’s, it’ll feel very different, I think.

Bex: Yes.

Ellen: I don’t mind watching it week to week. It’s fine. It’s like the authentic experience, right? Because

Alice: it is the [01:48:00] authentic experience.

Ellen: We’re spoiled by, um, by streaming tv, aren’t we?

Bex: I think we definitely are and it’s changed the way that we’re consuming media. Yep. Not necessarily for the better.

Alice: Yeah.

Bex: But that’s probably a rant for another day. Um, so I think unless there are any other questions that either of you guys wanna throw into the mix or any other comments you wanna make, I think we have wrapped up season three.

Ellen: I think we have. Um, don’t really have any other comments on this season. Otherwise, other than I’m still enjoying going through and watching it all. Um.

Bex: Well, that’s good. Yeah, because it’d be really, it would really suck if you started the whole, this whole project because you wanted to watch the show and suddenly you’re like, I don’t actually wanna watch this anymore.

Like, I’m done [01:49:00] and Alice and I are physically dragging you along. Like, no, you started this, you have to see it through.

Ellen: Well, considering that everyone’s reaction to what’s happening in the latest season, kind of dreading getting that far at the moment. But anyway, we won’t, don’t say anything.

Alice: Yes, it’s an interesting time at the moment, but, um, not gonna say anything.

Ellen: Okay.

Alice: But it’s gonna be good having this to watch during the break between season eight and nine.

Ellen: Yeah. Well, season nine doesn’t start until what, September or October?

Alice: Uh, yeah, in the fall. So some point.

Ellen: Uh, well, uh, another big thank you to all the people who sent us comments and our messages about this season and about all of our episodes during this season.

Thank you very much. We really appreciate it. We love hearing from you. Uh, if there’s anything about this season or the last few episodes that you think we’ve missed and you’d like to tell us about, we, [01:50:00] our dms are open, you can DM us or um, send us an email or

Alice: they’re so open, you guys,

Ellen: or comment on Spotify or wherever you on thatweewooshow.com, you can comment there. Um, thank you so much for listening to all of our season three episodes, and we’ll be back next week to start talking about season four, which is called “The New Abnormal”. See you then.

Bex: Bye.

Alice: Bye.

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